Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[Pens1566]

2.5M+ a day sounds like the zombie apocalypse

It's a ton. Which makes the "Sleepy Joe's open border derp derp derp" claims even more ludicrous.

 

[William Gaatjes]

A documentary about a Russian drone (Geran) manufacturing site.
It is in Dutch but with the google captions, English translation should be possible.
The Russians even have (African) students working in the manufacturing plant.
Lots of technical details about the Geran 2 and even a bit about the Geran 3.

 

[NWRMidnight]

No, it's really not like that. These are actual persons stopped at border crossings, customs, ports, etc. and printed/scanned before being admitted. Yes, the biometric matching process is automated. But the results and disposition are "human in the loop" as to whether or not that person is allowed in. I fail to see how any of the above fits in with your interpretation.

And, full disclosure, the reason I know all of the above is because of professional involvement in said systems for over a decade now.

Okay, you are not talking about surveillance. But for someone who has professionally been involved in the system for over a decade shouldn't be getting the terminalogy mixed up. People passing thru boarder ports of entry, showing their passports, etc, (standard processing), be it automation or direct human contact and such, are interactions, not encounters. Encounters are when authorities encounter individuals who are inadmissible to the U.S. or subject to expulsion, which includes apprehensions. So you are still manipulating facts. Not only by misclassifying interactions as encounters, but also with the 2.5M+, as the average daily interactions are half that amount.

In all honestly, your "I have been professionally involved in the systems for over a decade now" with you mixing up terminalolgy and inflated number of interactions, reminds me of my brother. He's been a plumber for 4 decades, and thinks because he's done the plumbing for restaurants and such, that he's knows everything about them all the way down to food safety laws/regulations and standards. Yet, he doesn't even know the basic standards/requirements for washing dishes in a 3 compartment sink. A piece of equipment that he installs. So what piece of equipment ("systems") do you install, and/or maintain for the interactions at the boarder? Because you are giving off the same vibe as my brother does.

 

[Pens1566]

Okay, you are not talking about surveillance. But for someone who has professionally been involved in the system for over a decade shouldn't be getting the terminalogy mixed up. People passing thru boarder ports of entry, showing their passports, etc, (being processed crossing the boarder), be it automation or direct human contact and such, are interactions, not encounters. Encounters are when authorities encounter individuals who are inadmissible to the U.S. or subject to expulsion, which includes apprehensions. So you are still manipulating facts. Not only by misclassifying interactions as encounters, but also with the 2.5M+, as the average daily interactions are half that amount, or do you have secret statistics that are hidden from the public and national records since you have been professionaly involved in the "systems" for over a decade?

You know, your "I have been professionally involved in the systems for over a decade now" with you mixing up terminalolgy and such, reminds me of my brother. He's been a plumber for 4 decades, and thinks because he's done the plumbing for restaurants and such, that he's been involved in them, and knows all about operating a restaruant, down to the regulations, costs, food safety laws and standards, and such. Yet, he doesn't even know the basic standards/requirements for washing dishes in a 3 compartment sink. A piece of equipment that he installs. So what piece of equipment ("systems") do you install, and/or maintain for the interactions at the boarder? Because you are giving off the same vibe as my brother does.

I'm not the one screwing up my terms. They're literally called encounters. Industry wide term for exactly what I've described. Engineering subject matter expert that's worked across all major .gov biometric matching systems (yes, there is more than one). And like your terms, your vibes are all wrong.

 

[Indus]

Putting people in roles where they don’t even know the rules are.

Kristi noem…. Does know what habeas corpus is

Tom homan … if you look like an immigrant you will be detained and it is happening.

There are a record number of lawsuits against ice…

And they will go absolutely nowhere.

SCOTUS will green light it and what's even more scary is Fed Agents with masks are basically the proud boys with m4's.

You think some court judgment will save you.. just like some court judgment against Trump for sexual assault or stealing an election?

The time for diplomacy and peaceful resistance is over. They're counting on people to be a bunch of sissies so they can do what they want with them.

And the media pays no attention to mass shootings so even if they were to shoot up protesters who gives a shit?

We're basically fooling ourselves with a false belief that elections and laws and judges somehow matter anymore. The only thing that matters is might makes right now and you have to use might!

We're not in Obama's America anymore.. we're in Trump's Russified MAGAistan!

 

[Pens1566]

I'm not the one screwing up my terms. They're literally called encounters. Industry wide term for exactly what I've described. Engineering subject matter expert that's worked across all major .gov biometric matching systems (yes, there is more than one). And like your terms, your vibes are all wrong.

And for the record, we've seen 2.745M encounters in the last 24hrs.

Those are "encounter IDs", not "interaction IDs". Because I've never seen/heard anyone internal refer to them as interactions.

If you don't believe me, you can verify (no pun intended) yourself by checking out DHS' IXM 6.0.9 spec. Should just be able to CTRL-F for encounter and you'll figure it out ...

https://www.dhs.gov/publication/idents-ixm-schema-and-conformance-tool

DoJ NGI and DoD ABIS use a different spec (EBTS variants). Field 2.351 is specifically for "Encounter Protect". Meaning that contents for that particular encounter (again, not interaction) aren't visible to everyone.

I could go on, but I've got a leaky sink that I need to look at.

 

[brycejones]

Border was wide open,

What a weird thing to lie about.

 

[feralkid]

So you are not talking about actual encounters. Trying to count surveillance data (collecting biometric data) as encounters, which has to be heavily automated to hit 2.5M+ a day, is really manipulation of the facts. In a sense, it's like claiming walmart's doors are not open to everybody, because they have security cameras all over the place, collecting video footage (surveillance data), which would be false.

I agree, our boarders are not, and never have been open. But it's not a very good look, using what appears as manipulation (not necessarily on purpose), as evidence to support your position. It makes it appear you are lying, destroying your argument/position, which does nothing but make it appear that the other side is right. Specially when surveillance collection, is not an indication of the boarder being open or closed. We could let every single person into the country, which means the conservatives/MAGA crowd would be right (they aren't), and still have them under surveillance.

Border.

 

[NWRMidnight]

I'm not the one screwing up my terms. They're literally called encounters. Industry wide term for exactly what I've described. Engineering subject matter expert that's worked across all major .gov biometric matching systems (yes, there is more than one). And like your terms, your vibes are all wrong.

And for the record, we've seen 2.745M encounters in the last 24hrs.

Seriously?

Per google:

In the context of biometrics, "engineering subject encounters" refer to the interactions or situations where an individual's biometric data is collected, processed, and utilized within an engineered biometric system.

In the context of tracking border crossings, particularly in relation to the United States, an "encounter" refers to any instance where a removable noncitizen is identified or apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), either by the U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) or the Office of Field Operations (OFO).

You just confirmed everything I said.

Do you not realize that terminalogy used in biometrics is NOT the same as their counterpart when used outside of your industry such as statistics? Do you also not understand that the 2.745M biometric encounters, you monitored, the last 24 hours, is the raw data of total biometric encounters around the country, which can and does include multiple biometric encounters of a single individual? That raw data you monitor and collect, is then taken and ran thru a de-duplication process to remove any redundancies, to give us a more accurate statistical number of single individuals, not multiple interactions, when it comes to statistics. It seems you don't know that, which is why your numbers appear inflated. You do realize those redundancies are actually your main purpose of the biometrics data you monitor and collect, with the statistic aspect of it secondary, right? The redudancies are tracked and used to help border authorities catch people who are trying to cross under false credentials. It's also to ensure that we are not counting people who cross our borders multiple times a day, due to their jobs and such, as I suspect, they are removed from the statistics of interactions to prevent skewing of the data.

Anyhow, I am glad we had this little discussion, it clears up why your numbers are inflated and bring context to the discussion, and shows you are not purposely trying to manipulate the information.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Border.

Yep.. I mistyped it.. Do it all the time, some times I catch it, sometimes I don't, sometimes autocorrect fucks it back up, don't really care. You know who else was a bad speller, if you are implying that I am (I am actually), and didn't care about spelling? Albert Einstein. What does that say about your "gotcha" trying to be the grammer police?

 

[Pens1566]

Seriously?

Per google:

In the context of biometrics, "engineering subject encounters" refer to the interactions or situations where an individual's biometric data is collected, processed, and utilized within an engineered biometric system. (notice that it defines it as interactions)

In the context of tracking border crossings, particularly in relation to the United States, an "encounter" refers to any instance where a removable noncitizen is identified or apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), either by the U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) or the Office of Field Operations (OFO).

You just confirmed everything I said.

Do you not realize that terminalogy used in biometrics is NOT the same as their counterpart when talking about statistics? Do you also not understand that the 2.745M biometric encounters, you monitored, the last 24 hours, is the raw data of total encounters around the country, which can and does include multiple encounters of a single individual? That raw data you monitor and collected, is then taken and ran thru a de-duplication process to remove any redundancies, to give us a more accurate statistical number of single individuals, not multiple interactions. It seems you don't know that, which is why your numbers appear inflated. Do you know that those redundancies are actually your main purpose of the biometrics data you monitor, with the statistic aspect of it secondary, as the redudancies are tracked and used to help border authorities catch people who are trying to cross under false credentials. It's also to ensure that we are not counting people who cross our borders multiple times a day, due to their jobs and such, as I suspect, they are removed from the statistics of interactions to prevent skewing of the data.

Anyhow, I am glad we had this little discussion, it clears up why your numbers are inflated and shows you are not purposely trying to manipulate the information.

Yeah, no. That's not how any of this works, despite your google degree.

Nothing is "deduplcated". Encounters are preserved according to their retention rules. The only thing even remotely close to what you're referring to is the concept of either persons or identities (depending on which system you're dealing with).A person/identity is created by matching one or more modalities from previous encounters to data in the new encounter(s) over time with a person/identity encompassing 1 to many encounters. Multiple encounters per person per day (typically trusted workers going back and forth for their job) still count as multiple encounters. The encounters and persons/identities remain distinct in the context of what is being referenced, and have vastly different meanings in both the bioimetrics world and the real world. And in this case, like you already acknowledged, the #s that I've referenced are for encounters.

All of this goes to say, we still screen over 2.5M+ ENCOUNTERS a day, which is what I originally said. And this long exercise has just been to show that you get your info from google and I get it from the source.

 

[JD50]

Seriously?

Per google:

In the context of biometrics, "engineering subject encounters" refer to the interactions or situations where an individual's biometric data is collected, processed, and utilized within an engineered biometric system.

In the context of tracking border crossings, particularly in relation to the United States, an "encounter" refers to any instance where a removable noncitizen is identified or apprehended by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), either by the U.S. Border Patrol (USBP) or the Office of Field Operations (OFO).

You just confirmed everything I said.

Do you not realize that terminalogy used in biometrics is NOT the same as their counterpart when used outside of your industry such as statistics? Do you also not understand that the 2.745M biometric encounters, you monitored, the last 24 hours, is the raw data of total biometric encounters around the country, which can and does include multiple biometric encounters of a single individual? That raw data you monitor and collect, is then taken and ran thru a de-duplication process to remove any redundancies, to give us a more accurate statistical number of single individuals, not multiple interactions, when it comes to statistics. It seems you don't know that, which is why your numbers appear inflated. You do realize those redundancies are actually your main purpose of the biometrics data you monitor and collect, with the statistic aspect of it secondary, right? The redudancies are tracked and used to help border authorities catch people who are trying to cross under false credentials. It's also to ensure that we are not counting people who cross our borders multiple times a day, due to their jobs and such, as I suspect, they are removed from the statistics of interactions to prevent skewing of the data.

Anyhow, I am glad we had this little discussion, it clears up why your numbers are inflated and bring context to the discussion, and shows you are not purposely trying to manipulate the information.

Why would you keep arguing with someone who clearly knows what they're talking about and works in the field, while you're just googling shit? Just take the L and move on, damn.

 

[pcgeek11]

It's a ton. Which makes the "Sleepy Joe's open border derp derp derp" claims even more ludicrous.

I guess we all imagined the images and many just like these. It seems now the border is very deserted in comparison.

In an aerial view, a U.S. Border Patrol agent watches over migrants waiting to be processed after crossing from Mexico into the United States on December 17, 2023 in Eagle Pass, Texas. A surge of migrants, as many as 12,000 per day, crossing the U.S.




Haitian migrants use a dam to cross to the US from Mexico in Del Rio, Texas on September 17, 2021. AP Photo/Eric Gay

 

[Pens1566]

I guess we all imagined the images and many just like these. It seems now the border is very deserted in comparison.

In an aerial view, a U.S. Border Patrol agent watches over migrants waiting to be processed after crossing from Mexico into the United States on December 17, 2023 in Eagle Pass, Texas. A surge of migrants, as many as 12,000 per day, crossing the U.S.

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Haitian migrants use a dam to cross to the US from Mexico in Del Rio, Texas on September 17, 2021. AP Photo/Eric Gay
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Ah, the "perfect is the enemy of the good" defense. At least you tried to back pedal!!!!

Until the next time you make the same obviously fictional claims ...

 

[NWRMidnight]

Yeah, no. That's not how any of this works, despite your google degree.

Nothing is "deduplcated". Encounters are preserved according to their retention rules. The only thing even remotely close to what you're referring to is the concept of either persons or identities (depending on which system you're dealing with).A person/identity is created by matching one or more modalities from previous encounters to data in the new encounter(s) over time with a person/identity encompassing 1 to many encounters. Multiple encounters per person per day (typically trusted workers going back and forth for their job) still count as multiple encounters. The encounters and persons/identities remain distinct in the context of what is being referenced, and have vastly different meanings in both the bioimetrics world and the real world. And in this case, like you already acknowledged, the #s that I've referenced are for encounters.

All of this goes to say, we still screen over 2.5M+ ENCOUNTERS a day, which is what I originally said. And this long exercise has just been to show that you get your info from google and I get it from the source.

Is that why you proved me right, yet again, in your attemp to prove otherwise? First of all, on the retention side of duplications, which isn't what I was refering to, it's nearly impossible to collect the vast amount of data you say you are collecting on a daily basis and not have some type of duplication taking place in a data base, specially since the data is being gathered from multiple locations. Now, duplication isn't the right term, I couldn't think of the specific term early, but I believe it is sparsing of the data for duplications with in the data.. aka sparcing the data of multiple encounters, for removal purpose for statistic data collection. you just admitted that the 2.5+M encounters, that you screen, includes multiple encounters of the same individuals. As I said, you just proved me right again.

 

[fskimospy]

I guess we all imagined the images and many just like these. It seems now the border is very deserted in comparison.

In an aerial view, a U.S. Border Patrol agent watches over migrants waiting to be processed after crossing from Mexico into the United States on December 17, 2023 in Eagle Pass, Texas. A surge of migrants, as many as 12,000 per day, crossing the U.S.

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Haitian migrants use a dam to cross to the US from Mexico in Del Rio, Texas on September 17, 2021. AP Photo/Eric Gay
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So to be clear you're showing CBP monitoring a queue of people awaiting processing as evidence of an open border.

That is literally evidence of the exact opposite of an open border, lol.

 

[brycejones]

I guess we all imagined the images and many just like these. It seems now the border is very deserted in comparison.

In an aerial view, a U.S. Border Patrol agent watches over migrants waiting to be processed after crossing from Mexico into the United States on December 17, 2023 in Eagle Pass, Texas. A surge of migrants, as many as 12,000 per day, crossing the U.S.

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Haitian migrants use a dam to cross to the US from Mexico in Del Rio, Texas on September 17, 2021. AP Photo/Eric Gay
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So your first pic kind of disproves your bullshit claim. But 0/10 for trying.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Why would you keep arguing with someone who clearly knows what they're talking about and works in the field, while you're just googling shit? Just take the L and move on, damn.

Does he? He might know more about collecting biological data, but it's clear he has no clue about how the data is used to give more accurate statistical data about individual interactions, and encounters at the boarder. Nor does he understand that encounters in biological collection is not the same as encounters in the statistical numbers for tracking border crossings.. He has also proven with his own words, that the 2.5M includes multiple encounters of the same individual, Even though he has tried to argue otherwise.. so does he clearly know more? Does't seem so, or if he does, then the statistics are off by nearlly 50% when looking at border interactions and encounters (they are two different things).

 

[outriding]

I guess we all imagined the images and many just like these. It seems now the border is very deserted in comparison.

In an aerial view, a U.S. Border Patrol agent watches over migrants waiting to be processed after crossing from Mexico into the United States on December 17, 2023 in Eagle Pass, Texas. A surge of migrants, as many as 12,000 per day, crossing the U.S.

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Haitian migrants use a dam to cross to the US from Mexico in Del Rio, Texas on September 17, 2021. AP Photo/Eric Gay
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lol. So immigrants wearing t shirts are now proof of an open border…

What is funny you have gone back and forth on if the border is open





So name the policy or EO that Biden signed that opened the border

 

[Pens1566]

Is that why you proved me right, yet again, in your attemp to prove otherwise? First of all, on the retention side of duplications, which isn't what I was refering to, it's nearly impossible to collect the vast amount of data you say you are collecting on a daily basis and not have some type of duplication taking place in a data base, specially since the data is being gathered from multiple locations. Now, duplication isn't the right term, I couldn't think of the specific term early, but I believe it is sparsing of the data for duplications with in the data.. aka sparcing the data of multiple encounters, for removal purpose for statistic data collection. you just admitted that the 2.5+M encounters, that you screen, includes multiple encounters of the same individuals. As I said, you just proved me right again.

Yeah, you got me alright. Your original quote of 900-something is WAAAAAAAAY closer to the real #s than mine was.

I guess I'll just have Grok sit in for me at the next working group so it can spout nonsense based on made up data from a notoriously trustworthy admin ...

/s

 

[pcgeek11]

So to be clear you're showing CBP monitoring a queue of people awaiting processing as evidence of an open border.

That is literally evidence of the exact opposite of an open border, lol.

So your first pic kind of disproves your bullshit claim. But 0/10 for trying.

Well the borders do not have "Migrants" flowing across the border thousands at a time as they were during the Biden Administration and then released and shipped all over the country. They appear to be a relative ghost town in comparison.

Now if you want to call this something else that is fine with me. We are no longer being flooded with illegal aliens. With hoards filling up the hotels in New York and filling the streets and airports etc...

But of course these pictures are Fake and BS ....

 

[pcgeek11]

lol. So immigrants wearing t shirts are now proof of an open border…

What is funny you have gone back and forth on if the border is open

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So name the policy or EO that Biden signed that opened the border

Oh BS.

He obviously didn't need to sign anything. All he had to do was not enforce the current laws, just like what he did.

If not why did the border crossings dry up after the election?

 

[brycejones]

If not why did the border crossings dry up after the election?

Because they knew Trump would disobey the law.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Yeah, you got me alright. Your original quote of 900-something is WAAAAAAAAY closer to the real #s than mine was.

I guess I'll just have Grok sit in for me at the next working group so it can spout nonsense based on made up data from a notoriously trustworthy admin ...

/s

Not the tongue in cheek moment you think it is. You still don't get that when talking about border statistics, interactions and encounters are two diffferent things, and are based off of individuals.. Interactions are about 1.3 million, encounters are about 950, per day on average. If you noticed in one of my previous responses, I also said interactions where half of what you claim. Unless you are using common core math, 2.5M/2 equals 1.25M. So who's closer? You really should put down your biological term dictionary, and pick up the statistical term dictionary.

What's comical, is you are implying I am spouting made up data, not realizing I am giving you the statistical data from 2024, the Biden administration, because we can't trust the numbers coming out of the current administration. (no, I didn't clarify that it was 2024, should have I guess, oh and 2023 was lower) I am sure we both can agree, with what's taking place in this country concerning immigration, the numbers at the borders are most likely lower than 2024. If not, I doubt they have doubled. But who knows, maybe there are that many lunatics who want to be sent to concentration camps trying to get into this country.

 

[brycejones]

Well the borders do not have "Migrants" flowing across the border thousands at a time as they were during the Biden Administration and then released and shipped all over the country. They appear to be a relative ghost town in comparison.

Now if you want to call this something else that is fine with me. We are no longer being flooded with illegal aliens. With hoards filling up the hotels in New York and filling the streets and airports etc...

But of course these pictures are Fake and BS ....

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Care to take a guess why those pictures are bullshit?