Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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cytg111

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I think the multitude of Scandinavian volunteers that have been showing up since 2022 would beg to differ, regarding the fighting spirit of the Vikings anyway.

Still, small countries with modest populations shouldn't be acting like Vikings when navigating modern conflicts started by numerically superior aggressors.

Reminder, the Vikings loved slavery and were essentially a death cult. Seems more like Russian values to me. The West can be the Englishmen, filling them full of arrows when and where appropriate.
Multitude? Its hard to find numbers but the ones available doesnt really suggest anything overwhelming. Not anything remotely close to say NK's contribution to the front.
 
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kage69

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I didn't say it was overwhelming, I'm saying the Viking analogy doesn't work well. There are roughly 20k volunteers in Ukraine total. I'm unsure of the exact nationality break down, the numbers flucuate obviously from the trickle of new people and the attrition of dead and wounded. Some do the 6 months and go home. Some stay. I think it counts as a multitude, YMMV. Last I checked there was about 800 Swedes there. Roughly same from Finland, I think about half that from Norway. I don't remember any Baltic numbers, would have to research more.

So, you think those norcs volunteered? We're talking fighting spirit right? And you're comparing Foreign Legionnaires to the 21st century's Asian blend of slave and serf? I admit being brainwashed can help on the battlefield, I just don't think it compares to what we're seeing from the Ukrainians themselves, or from allies who personally elect to put their lives on hold, risk their lives for zero necessity. With agency comes truth. Not a lot of that on the NK side. Those guys have different priorities, like 3 meals a day, all the porn they can fap to, and conducting themselves in a way that doesn't land mom and pop in a gulag.

The AFU turned the Kursk area into a mass NK gravesite, just sayin. Putin ran through his initial supply of NK meat, had to ask for more. While they are usually better shots and have better physical conditioning then russki mobiki, they're still being used as meat. To my knowledge no NK unit has developed a reputation for top notch ass kickers. On the Legionnaire side we've seen battle hardened Columbians as well as French, American, British, Canadian, Finnish and Aussie ex-SF absolutely mop the floor with the Russians, for years. As Ukraine has been so keen to adopt Western tactics and NATO standards a lot of these people have proven to be invaluable sources of experience and training. Hard to quantify that kind of contribution but I assure you it has been substantial.
 
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Russia’s Foreign Ministry says Sergey Lavrov will take part in the upcoming US–Russia summit in Alaska.
From https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3lwbuse65bc2r

This probably means that Putin won't be in Alaska. When Putin said yes to a meeting with Trump, it was a meeting in favour of Putin. Trump even talked about swapping territory. A major win for Putin. Now with Zelenskyy, Trump and the Europeans having met and Trump drawing many red lines in public, it doesn't look so rosy for Putin. Putin can't afford any failures in the public sphere atm, so might not even turn up. If there isn't a good chance for a win, Putin will send his subordinates... or even subordinates of subordinates as shown in the Turkey meetings.

Just guessing ofcause :)
 
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From https://bsky.app/profile/noelreports.com/post/3lwbuse65bc2r

This probably means that Putin won't be in Alaska. When Putin said yes to a meeting with Trump, it was a meeting in favour of Putin. Trump even talked about swapping territory. A major win for Putin. Now with Zelenskyy, Trump and the Europeans having met and Trump drawing many red lines in public, it doesn't look so rosy for Putin. Putin can't afford any failures in the public sphere atm, so might not even turn up. If there isn't a good chance for a win, Putin will send his subordinates... or even subordinates of subordinates as shown in the Turkey meetings.

Just guessing ofcause :)
And Trump wouldn't show up then, of course. This could just fizzle into absolutely nothing by Friday. In any case, in another week everyone will have forgotten the whole thing no matter what happens.
 
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Has this been posted yet - Gallup poll 2025 Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses.
The percentage of Ukrainians who want to continue the war no matter what has cratered to 1/3 of the peak in 2022. Now the reverse is true, More than 2/3 of Ukrainians want a negotiated settlement asap. The polls suggest that the poor performance from the Ukrainian military and Russian gains caused the shift, Russia is grinding away on every front, increased drone strikes, while Ukraine has big organizational problems with its military leading to high desertion rates and critical shortage of manpower on the front lines.
I doubt that the Russian war economy can collapse hard and quickly enough to make Putin back down.
 
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I doubt that the Russian war economy can collapse hard and quickly enough to make Putin back down.
Right now they're getting ground down on the battlefront and murdered in their cities. No wonder public sentiment has shifted. But, GODDAMN IT TO HELL, the will is there if "we" would just give them the tools they need.
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bononos

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Right now they're getting ground down on the battlefront and murdered in their cities. No wonder public sentiment has shifted. But, GODDAMN IT TO HELL, the will is there if "we" would just give them the tools they need.
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Its not 2023 anymore, their main problem is not shortage of tanks/f-16s/atacms or some other equipment, its manpower. Its been years where the stats showed that the Ukrainian volunteer/conscription levels had already reached US Vietnam wartime levels with the big difference that the Ukrainian length of service is open ended (vs 1 year tour of duty in Vietnam) which just shows how stretched Ukraine is currently.

Budanov just said that North Korea is sending fully equipped armored units, tanks and all and not just soldiers, which sounds like NATO should do likewise. Ukraine doesn't just need equipment for their dysfunctional military organization. They need a NATO boots at least along the Belarus/Moldavian borders.
 

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their main problem is not shortage of tanks/f-16s/atacms or some other equipment

Ukraine (and Europe's really) actual problem is a lack of long range strike capacity. They need to field an air breathing cruise missile at least as capable as the Kalibr, a Euro made copy of the Tomahawk would suffice, or better yet stretch the Storm Shadow/SCALP and Taurus for more range. Or do all of the above ideally.
 

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Has this been posted yet - Gallup poll 2025 Ukrainian Support for War Effort Collapses.
The percentage of Ukrainians who want to continue the war no matter what has cratered to 1/3 of the peak in 2022. Now the reverse is true, More than 2/3 of Ukrainians want a negotiated settlement asap. The polls suggest that the poor performance from the Ukrainian military and Russian gains caused the shift, Russia is grinding away on every front, increased drone strikes, while Ukraine has big organizational problems with its military leading to high desertion rates and critical shortage of manpower on the front lines.
I doubt that the Russian war economy can collapse hard and quickly enough to make Putin back down.

It is a bit more nuanced than yet. Yes the Ukrainians want the war to end. However neither do Ukrainians want to give Russia the territory it currently controls.

https://www.npr.org/2025/08/13/nx-s...six percent said this,MYRE: Sure thing, Scott.

MYRE: Yeah. Scott, a couple interesting polls are out this month. A Gallup poll asked Ukrainians if they now favor a negotiated end to the war. And right around 70% say yes. But a poll by the Kyiv International Institute of Sociology asked Ukrainians if they could accept giving up the territory Russia now holds. Seventy-six percent said this is not acceptable. Now, this may sound a little contradictory, but when you speak to people, you see how they can hold both these positions simultaneously. Ukrainians are drained by the war, no doubt about that. The longer it goes on, the more willing they'll be to make some concessions. But most are not at the point where they're ready to give up 20% of their country, which is roughly what Russia controls.
 

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Trump willing to sellout the United States just to get a Nobel Prize and blow Putin
Trump did tell reporters, directly, that he was meeting Putin... in Russia.
While Trump cannot make it official, yet, he can certainly strip Alaska's wealth and give that to Russia.
 

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