Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

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The decision to accept this has to be Ukraine's because they have been paying in blood for Putin's Special Operation.
I completely agree. The victim of the invasion should get to determine their terms.

Ukraine will not give land to ‘occupiers’, says Zelensky

Meanwhile... looks like Trump will be slandering Ukraine and taking personal aim at Zelensky next.
I worry what our money and our influence can buy when paired with Russian interests, spies, and saboteurs.
When Ukraine says no to surrendering additional land FOR FREE, Trump will step in to attack Ukraine in some way.

And as he is a MAGA Nazi, it has always got to be a personal attack on the person. They only have one method, and its the same god damn thing every single time. Always a mask used to redirect attention away from the subject matter and the victims of MAGA's horrid inhumane policy. MAGA Nazis want their minions fixated on any person standing in the way of their goals. Never policy.
In this case, the policy is Trump is helping Russia take down Ukraine, Europe, NATO.
 

DZero

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I think Europe should start to make a paralel NATO but without USA and Russians lapdogs like Hungary and Slovak, heck, Trump is making too much to reach to the extremes to say that the current NATO is done if Trump decides to not to give the weapons that Europeans already gave the money to.

And despite the way how Spain answered to Trump's ideas... I'll take this part, which unexpectedly aged like fine wine.
The Spanish Ministry of Defense, which had initially approved the order in 2023 to replace aging Harrier and F-18 aircraft, now plans to redirect 85% of that defense spending into European defense projects. The government cited recent developments in NATO defense spending as the main reason behind the decision — a move that also serves as a pointed response to former US President Donald Trump’s push for NATO members to raise their defense budgets to 5% of GDP.

While Spain has pledged to commit 2% of its GDP to defense and recently approved a €10.47 billion military investment package, Sánchez’s government is now focusing that funding on European defense industries rather than American systems.
If Trump redirects the weapons to Ukraine back to the US, Europe should now pressure Trump to not to apply the same with the money given to them to buy weapons, at the same time Europe should start to fund to their own weapon program. If Trump decides to scam Europe, Europe should show they are not a joke.
 

Jaskalas

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The peace process is all lies from Trump and his minions.

Russia's demand is STILL to abandon all 4 oblasts, minimum. Granting Russia a massive foothold on the other side of the river. For free.
It is complete and utter suicide. Europe needs more nuclear weapons. Yesterday. As it is clear that these lies only serve as propaganda for Russia, to get our people onboard under false pretenses.
MAGA Nazis are one and the same with Vlad the Butcher and Russia's genocidal crusade. Always have been. Always will be.

Trump's envoy Witkoff may have "misunderstood" Putin's demands regarding ceasefire in Ukraine – Bild

Bild reports that Russia has not abandoned its demand for complete control over Crimea and Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Kherson oblasts prior to any ceasefire, and has only agreed to a "sectoral" ceasefire.
However, in peace proposals leaked to the media Putin appeared willing to discuss a ceasefire after the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces only from Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.
Bild’s sources say this could have been the result of Witkoff misinterpreting what Putin said about a "peaceful withdrawal" from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts: Russia is demanding the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from these oblasts, but Witkoff thought the proposal was for Russian troops to withdraw from there.
"Witkoff doesn't know what he's talking about," the German tabloid quotes an anonymous Ukrainian official as saying. According to Bild, it’s an assessment shared by "representatives of the German government".
 

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The peace process is all lies from Trump and his minions.

Russia's demand is STILL to abandon all 4 oblasts, minimum. Granting Russia a massive foothold on the other side of the river. For free.
It is complete and utter suicide. Europe needs more nuclear weapons. Yesterday. As it is clear that these lies only serve as propaganda for Russia, to get our people onboard under false pretenses.
MAGA Nazis are one and the same with Vlad the Butcher and Russia's genocidal crusade. Always have been. Always will be.

Trump's envoy Witkoff may have "misunderstood" Putin's demands regarding ceasefire in Ukraine – Bild

Bild reports that Russia has not abandoned its demand for complete control over Crimea and Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia, Luhansk and Kherson oblasts prior to any ceasefire, and has only agreed to a "sectoral" ceasefire.
However, in peace proposals leaked to the media Putin appeared willing to discuss a ceasefire after the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces only from Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts.
Bild’s sources say this could have been the result of Witkoff misinterpreting what Putin said about a "peaceful withdrawal" from Kherson and Zaporizhzhia oblasts: Russia is demanding the withdrawal of Ukrainian forces from these oblasts, but Witkoff thought the proposal was for Russian troops to withdraw from there.
"Witkoff doesn't know what he's talking about," the German tabloid quotes an anonymous Ukrainian official as saying. According to Bild, it’s an assessment shared by "representatives of the German government".
Russia is winning time to pull the final strike: an attempt to get to Kiev, but also will attempt to get Belarus being fully annexed to Russia sooner than 2030 (estimated time when Lukashenko quits).
 

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Because Russia knows Trump is a wimpy useful idiot.
The issue is that Russia wants NATO to be disbanded but is only making the US and some other laptops like Hungary and Slovakia to try to sabotage it, the rest, even Turkey are getting tired of Putin and Trump antics, they will likely stick together but thinking to live without the US
 
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So with Trump's MAGAts remaining mute on their Orange King of Kings siding with Putin's Special Military Operation, it's a safe assumption they're all in with Trump and Putin wiping from existence one of Europe's nascent democracies. Who knew that Trump would be able to turn millions of Americans against the very democracy that gave them the ability to choose or reject its principles yet choose authoritarianism as a means to subjugate their fellow Americans AND themselves into a class of indentured peasants beholden to their corporate masters. FTS. The fight for democracy will go on without these traitors. Civil War 2.0 has been unleashed by them and they somehow think they're on the right side of history to be winning this war by turning our democratically run nation into a Kingdom led by a racist fascist felonious tax cheat and habitual adulterer.

And what happens to them after Trump's term expires? I mean for sure they will be amenable to any unethical immoral illegal unconstitutional ploy that will keep democracy from gaining any kind of traction while their monarch reigns supreme and thereon afterward. It's only a question of whether or not they're willing to ironically tiki torch Our Constitution into ashes to, as they've been mind fucked into believing, keep the commie liberals from "poisoning the blood of the country". A racist revival has been normalized, capitalized and formalized and all it took was to have a racist POTUS endorse it with his almighty felt tip pen. The kicker? Putin has him by the nutsack, tugging away at it every time he wants to pleasure himself. Trump's supporters know this, are playing deaf, dumb and blind about it and are stupidly willing to give up their freedoms so long as those so called "radical leftists" are defeated, with these ignorant MAGAts thinking they're not going to experience the same fate.
 
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Trump's supporters know this, are playing deaf, dumb and blind about it and are stupidly willing to give up their freedoms so long as those so called "radical leftists" are defeated, with these ignorant MAGAts thinking they're not going to experience the same fate.
This is the real measure of their stupidity. Putting everything on the line just to defeat the other side and for what? So they can become a nation of inbreds? Let's see, the success of which other countries could make them think that's a good idea? russia, china, israel?
 
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I completely agree. The victim of the invasion should get to determine their terms.

Ukraine will not give land to ‘occupiers’, says Zelensky

Meanwhile... looks like Trump will be slandering Ukraine and taking personal aim at Zelensky next.
I worry what our money and our influence can buy when paired with Russian interests, spies, and saboteurs.
When Ukraine says no to surrendering additional land FOR FREE, Trump will step in to attack Ukraine in some way.

And as he is a MAGA Nazi, it has always got to be a personal attack on the person. They only have one method, and its the same god damn thing every single time. Always a mask used to redirect attention away from the subject matter and the victims of MAGA's horrid inhumane policy. MAGA Nazis want their minions fixated on any person standing in the way of their goals. Never policy.
In this case, the policy is Trump is helping Russia take down Ukraine, Europe, NATO.

How convenient it is that both the USA and Israel are not participating members of the International Criminal Court so that Putin, of all the vile inhumane murderers of the world can come to the USA, meet with our POTUS and act as if the ICC has no jurisdiction over his crimes against humanity.

I wonder how the Alaskans are going to react to their hosting what was once one of, if not the preeminent enemy of our nation. Well I guess with Alaska being Putin friendly due to it being a safe red state for Trump to waste their oxygen in, probably nothing of much of anything in the way of protests going on, although one can hope. It still gives me pause to ponder on how so-called true to the Stars and Stripes "patriotic Americans" can consider Putin to be a friend of our country because Trump, of all the lying dishonest people in the world, says so.
 
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How convenient it is that both the USA and Israel are not participating members of the International Criminal Court so that Putin, of all the vile inhumane murderers of the world can come to the USA, meet with our POTUS and act as if the ICC has no jurisdiction over his crimes against humanity.

I wonder how the Alaskans are going to react to their hosting what was once one of, if not the preeminent enemy of our nation. Well I guess with Alaska being Putin friendly due to it being a safe red state for Trump to waste their oxygen in, probably nothing of much of anything in the way of protests going on, although one can hope. It still gives me pause to ponder on how so-called true to the Stars and Stripes "patriotic Americans" can consider Putin to be a friend of our country because Trump, of all the lying dishonest people in the world, says so.
Makes me wonder if China will realize it and goes with their plan that Russians warned....
 

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Putin can't be trusted to hold to any agreement, and his army is an immediate threat to him should it come home. Meeting him for anything is just exposing Z to risk in order to help Trump and Putin stall.

IMO Zelenskyy shouldn't be meeting anyone outside of the EU. Ukraine should insist on France being the location of all future pointless debate.

How can you seriously expect a nation to sit at a table and negotiate with the group of genocidal fascists currently in the process of selling Ukrainian children online?! Whiskey tango foxtrot people

Dementia Don the Pedo King needs more KFC. Before a cape buffalo hunting trip with his dipshit sons.
 

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Putin can't be trusted to hold to any agreement, and his army is an immediate threat to him should it come home. Meeting him for anything is just exposing Z to risk in order to help Trump and Putin stall.

IMO Zelenskyy shouldn't be meeting anyone outside of the EU. Ukraine should insist on France being the location of all future pointless debate.

How can you seriously expect a nation to sit at a table and negotiate with the group of genocidal fascists currently in the process of selling Ukrainian children online?! Whiskey tango foxtrot people

Dementia Don the Pedo King needs more KFC. Before a cape buffalo hunting trip with his dipshit sons.
Funny story Turkey and Azerbayan could be wild cards, but considering the situation of the latter, maybe Ukraine, Turkey and Azerbayan should start talks.
 

kage69

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Well Ukraine is an active warzone with Russians attacking civilian centers almost every day, so that's out.

Erdogan has already hosted talks, so nothing too wild there. Turkiye is going to stick with Ukraine though, like the Euros, I'm sure they will be involved in plenty moving forward.

Aliyev is still dealing with trying to extricate his country out from under Russia's thumb. The maritime dispute is tame compared to that whole 'arresting and torturing Azeri to death' thing from a few weeks ago. It wouldn't be prudent for him to make that offer now, and even if he did I doubt Z's security would be cool with it.

Putin has tried several times to have Z assassinated, I doubt he's giving it up.
 

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How convenient it is that both the USA and Israel are not participating members of the International Criminal Court so that Putin, of all the vile inhumane murderers of the world can come to the USA, meet with our POTUS and act as if the ICC has no jurisdiction over his crimes against humanity.

I wonder how the Alaskans are going to react to their hosting what was once one of, if not the preeminent enemy of our nation. Well I guess with Alaska being Putin friendly due to it being a safe red state for Trump to waste their oxygen in, probably nothing of much of anything in the way of protests going on, although one can hope. It still gives me pause to ponder on how so-called true to the Stars and Stripes "patriotic Americans" can consider Putin to be a friend of our country because Trump, of all the lying dishonest people in the world, says so.
Lots of Russian surnames up there, you know they used to own it. Maybe Sarah can get a glimpse.
 

Jaskalas

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Troubling news in eastern Ukraine today.

Russians broke through the main defense line

DeepState: Enemy Breaks Through 15 km, Nearing Dobropilliya–Kramatorsk Highway​


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kage69

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The Scandi/Baltic rebuke of the planned meeting in Alaska for Cadet Bonespurs and Putler, as expected. Nice little dose of reality for the fascists.



"The leaders of Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway and Sweden issued a joint statement declaring their "unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity."

"The people of Ukraine must have the freedom to decide their future. The path to peace cannot be charted without Ukraine’s voice,” they said in the statement. “No decisions on Ukraine without Ukraine, and no decisions on Europe without Europe,” they added.

"They also added that “negotiations can only take place in context of a ceasefire.”




I just want someone in Alaska to ask King Pedo about Epstein at the meet, so we can watch him rageshit himself in front of his crush. Invite a genocidial war criminal on US soil? A true disgrace. Get fucked traitor.
 

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"The leaders of Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway and Sweden issued a joint statement declaring their "unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity."

The Viking Alliance.
 

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"The leaders of Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Latvia, Lithuania, Norway and Sweden issued a joint statement declaring their "unwavering support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, independence, and territorial integrity."

The Viking Alliance.

Yea right, with dry warm boots on the shelf and beer on tap in the sun - while glorious battle continues to encroach on our doorstep. The Viking spirit is dead. Pathetic.
 

kage69

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I love this man

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“If you are considering some kind of ‘land swap’ for peace, Florida should be on the table,” Zelenskyy said. “With Florida, you have cards.”

Not quite the casino themed fuck off I was hoping for, but I'll take it. That boy is hard as a coffin nail. I feel like even some Russians probably had to smile over that one.

ugh, not real. Meh, he's a comedian, still think he's great and he probably should start throwing nonsense back at Trump.
 
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kage69

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Yea right, with dry warm boots on the shelf and beer on tap in the sun - while glorious battle continues to encroach on our doorstep. The Viking spirit is dead. Pathetic.

I think the multitude of Scandinavian volunteers that have been showing up since 2022 would beg to differ, regarding the fighting spirit of the Vikings anyway.

Still, small countries with modest populations shouldn't be acting like Vikings when navigating modern conflicts started by numerically superior aggressors.

Reminder, the Vikings loved slavery and were essentially a death cult. Seems more like Russian values to me. The West can be the Englishmen, filling them full of arrows when and where appropriate.
 
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Yea right, with dry warm boots on the shelf and beer on tap in the sun - while glorious battle continues to encroach on our doorstep. The Viking spirit is dead. Pathetic.

I would be hesitant to criticize those nations (if that's what you are doing) as they would theoretically be next in line for Russian encroachment if the war in Ukraine were to end on a favorable note for Russia. The baltics especially. They've also been more than capable partners/allies since their addition.
 

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With Trump being the thin skinned megalomaniacal girly man narcissist that he's proven beyond doubt to be, getting revenge on Zelenskyy (among other reasons) who just to happens to be, (unlike Trump) a real man hanging nuts between his legs the size of bowling balls for refusing to play the quid pro quo Magic Missile game with him is more than plausible, if not factual.