Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[you2]

Grandpa says he’s angry at Putin again.

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Nothing has happened to him; he's been killing people for years; decades ? Trump just had a memory lapse...

 

[Moonbeam]

So many Americans wish the world to be a better place and I think it’s because liberal democracy produces highly moral and idealistic people,but who have we become? Is not our government run by wealthy people’s lust for money, power, and greed? Have we not become a military industrial complex that has make the killing of people in other nations a financial killing as well?

It feels rather strange to me thinking we should be saving the world when we have become the number one country in the world the world would be better off without.

 

[iRONic]

Nothing has happened to him; he's been killing people for years; decades ? Trump just had a memory lapse...

I substituted the tangerine terrorist’s name in that reply. It still tracks…

Both murdering bastards.

 

[Jaskalas]

Europe is not waiting for Ukraine to fall and Russia to rearm.

If Europe loses Ukraine, and Russia gains Ukraine.
Which side do you believe will be stronger after that?
And remember, Russian sympathizers in Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia, and Romania would have much more direct physical access to Russian ground forces and support.
The continent would be practically divided, not united.

And if they let the second largest nation fall without a fight, who the hell thinks much smaller nations would be defended against a much stronger foe?
The only lesson from the war in Ukraine would be that neither Europe nor the United States can be counted upon.
That nations stand alone in the darkness as murderous hordes invade and slaughter.

Throw in the millions of additional refugees, and a Europe divided and in crisis will be ill prepared to commit to fight a worse war tomorrow when they had every opportunity to fight a stronger war today.
I posit that Ukraine is Europe's shield today. That without Ukraine, Europe would be shattered.

 

[cytg111]

If Russia were to gobble up Ukraine



It would enlist every Ukrainian man over 16 as well. It begins to be a problem.

 

[cytg111]

Who in their right mind would want to be ruled by these freaks? Exhibit #846 of how they treat their own. Looks like the orcs have added getting road hauled to list of punishments for bad troops!

Better in a grassy field than on tarmac Yuri, could be worse. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that guy was later made a baba yaga sacrifice (arms around a tree, then cuffed, beaten and left for the AFU).

I've heard anecdotal tell of fraggings on the rise within the Russian ranks. Sounds plausible to me.

I guess someone took "The beatings will continue until morale improves" to heart.

I've often thought about WW2 and how so many people could be conditioned to think about Jews the way they did.

I must admit, the Orcs are getting me there.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I guess someone took "The beatings will continue until morale improves" to heart.

I've often thought about WW2 and how so many people could be conditioned to think about Jews the way they did.

I must admit, the Orcs are getting me there.

The Jews weren't a foreign, hostile military though. The closest current allegory (and almost identical) is how the US is viewing/treating immigrants, specifically 'brown' immigrants.

Hilariously, if you're looking for past examples of how people feel about the modern Russians, just go back and look at how people viewed the Russians in the past (they've always been kind of shit).

 

[cytg111]

The Jews weren't a foreign, hostile military though. The closest current allegory (and almost identical) is how the US is viewing/treating immigrants, specifically 'brown' immigrants.

Hilariously, if you're looking for past examples of how people feel about the modern Russians, just go back and look at how people viewed the Russians in the past (they've always been kind of shit).

Yea I am sure it's just because I've been blissfully ignorant on "Orc History".

 

[RnR_au]

If Russia were to gobble up Ukraine

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It would enlist every Ukrainian man over 16 as well. It begins to be a problem.

Nah... it would take decades to integrate Ukraine to such a degree. High level resistance would continue on for years, perhaps even with the assistance of European and American secret services.

 

[you2]

Nah... it would take decades to integrate Ukraine to such a degree. High level resistance would continue on for years, perhaps even with the assistance of European and American secret services.

They won't be integrated as already is happening in capture areas; they will be put into the army and shot if they resist or fail to fight at the front.

 

[K1052]

The Europeans say they've withdrawn targeting restrictions on their weapons. Ukraine can strike Russian territory with anything they provide.

Obviously the biggest impact will likely be when the Germans integrate and supply Taurus.

 

[K1052]

yessss

 

[Brovane]

If Europe loses Ukraine, and Russia gains Ukraine.
Which side do you believe will be stronger after that?
And remember, Russian sympathizers in Hungary, Slovakia, Serbia, and Romania would have much more direct physical access to Russian ground forces and support.
The continent would be practically divided, not united.

And if they let the second largest nation fall without a fight, who the hell thinks much smaller nations would be defended against a much stronger foe?
The only lesson from the war in Ukraine would be that neither Europe nor the United States can be counted upon.
That nations stand alone in the darkness as murderous hordes invade and slaughter.

Throw in the millions of additional refugees, and a Europe divided and in crisis will be ill prepared to commit to fight a worse war tomorrow when they had every opportunity to fight a stronger war today.
I posit that Ukraine is Europe's shield today. That without Ukraine, Europe would be shattered.

I am really confused as to why you think you can just snap your fingers and Europe is going to do a lot more than what they are doing now with Ukraine? The EU isn't a military force, NATO is and Ukraine isn't part of NATO. EU is sending a lot of military equipment to Ukraine. NATO has been historically lead by the US. The US walking away from this leadership role has created a huge gap that is not filled overnight. So what exactly are you wanting the EU/NATO to do about the war in Ukraine that they are not doing right now?

 

[K1052]

I am really confused as to why you think you can just snap your fingers and Europe is going to do a lot more than what they are doing now with Ukraine? The EU isn't a military force, NATO is and Ukraine isn't part of NATO. EU is sending a lot of military equipment to Ukraine. NATO has been historically lead by the US. The US walking away from this leadership role has created a huge gap that is not filled overnight. So what exactly are you wanting the EU/NATO to do about the war in Ukraine that they are not doing right now?

The Germans, who are really the most important player here, are making massive investments in arms production. The benefits of this won't be realized until 2026 and 2027 when their new plants start actual production but it's coming. MBDA is gonna be making PAC-2 missiles and Rheinmetall is essentiality buying the ATACMS production line (among other products) from LM and will move it to Germany.

 

[DZero]

If Russia were to gobble up Ukraine

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It would enlist every Ukrainian man over 16 as well. It begins to be a problem.

The issue of NATO (Europe) is that all those armies are not together. Even worse, if Hungary and Slovakia betrays the NATO, is likely to lose some more people and if West Germany and South Italy decides to step back / support Russia, NATO would lose a pretty noticeable ammount of troops on there.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Grandpa says he’s angry at Putin again.

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Don't worry, Putin will fix this by buying more Trump bitcoins.

Trump's five minutes of fake rage towards Putin are so transparently performative, it's laughable.

Meanwhile, The Kremlin responded calling Trumps "crazy" remarks as an "emotional overload" lol

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/kremlin-trumps-remark-about-putin-being-crazy-there-is-some-emotional-overload-2025-05-26/

Translation: - Donald just needs a nap, like a toddler. It’s fine, we expect that. Nobody humiliates him better than Putin. Even The Kremlin knows when grandpa is sundowning.

MAGA: "Trump is so respected and feared!"

The Russians are laughing at him. Putin just called Trump an emotional girly man. Implicating its Trumps time of the month.

Enough posting his nonsense and help arm the Ukrainians. Russia’s escalation is due to Trump’s appeasement and incompetence. Putin's always playing Trump like a cheap ukulele. Another humiliating embarrassment for America.

 

[kage69]

C'mon Merz, help make it happen! That video is mesmerizing.

Seeing the Kremlin turn into a pile of charred rubble will be epic, the Fall of the Berlin Wall^10

 

[Brovane]

The Germans, who are really the most important player here, are making massive investments in arms production. The benefits of this won't be realized until 2026 and 2027 when their new plants start actual production but it's coming. MBDA is gonna be making PAC-2 missiles and Rheinmetall is essentiality buying the ATACMS production line (among other products) from LM and will move it to Germany.

From some reason @Jaskalas thinks that all these things can happen overnight.

 

[Jaskalas]

So what exactly are you wanting the EU/NATO to do about the war in Ukraine that they are not doing right now?

That Ukraine still fights alone, that airspace is still open, that ships can even sail to Russia.
That a few hundred billion in frozen assets have not been utilized for our side against Russia.

As I said earlier, Europe needs to correct its passivity by:

• Assist Ukraine in combat.
• Naval and Air blockade.
• Frozen funds given to Ukraine and/or the war effort.

I view our prospects as more more dim if Ukraine falls.
And if your suggestion is that there is no force to combat Russia, well then... that would just go to show that Europe needs Ukraine more than ever. Ukraine IS that force and they are currently engaged. Those nations who wish to see a better future need to rush in and plug the gap. Make a difference while the defenses still hold. To defeat the enemy in combat. Now - while you still can.

I demand the same of America, but we are more for the enemy than not - these days.

 

[Jaskalas]

From some reason @Jaskalas thinks that all these things can happen overnight.

It has been over 3 years and Ukraine still fights alone.
Do not speak to me of overnight.

 

[Brovane]

It has been over 3 years and Ukraine still fights alone.
Do not speak to me of overnight.

Do you realize how long it takes to setup a Patriot production line? Despite what Trump says, Europe has supported Ukraine a lot in this conflict.
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegati...ica/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253

As I said earlier, Europe needs to correct its passivity by:

• Assist Ukraine in combat.
• Naval and Air blockade.
• Frozen funds given to Ukraine and/or the war effort.

I view our prospects as more more dim if Ukraine falls.
And if your suggestion is that there is no force to combat Russia, well then... that would just go to show that Europe needs Ukraine more than ever. Ukraine IS that force and they are currently engaged. Those nations who wish to see a better future need to rush in and plug the gap. Make a difference while the defenses still hold. To defeat the enemy in combat. Now - while you still can.

I demand the same of America, but we are more for the enemy than not - these days.

Once again, the EU isn't a military organization. So how would the EU declare war against Russia?
NATO isn't going to war against Russia unless the US agrees and neither Biden and Trump ever agreed that to that.

The problem is nuclear powers are very circumspect about engaging in direct conventional war against one another. Because of this, there is somewhat of a strategic paralysis for Europe and Russia over Ukraine.

So when you say assist Ukraine in Combat what do you mean?

 

[you2]

Do you realize how long it takes to setup a Patriot production line? Despite what Trump says, Europe has supported Ukraine a lot in this conflict.
https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegati...ica/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253




Once again, the EU isn't a military organization. So how would the EU declare war against Russia?
NATO isn't going to war against Russia unless the US agrees and neither Biden and Trump ever agreed that to that.

The problem is nuclear powers are very circumspect about engaging in direct conventional war against one another. Because of this, there is somewhat of a strategic paralysis for Europe and Russia over Ukraine.

So when you say assist Ukraine in Combat what do you mean?

Individual countries could provide troops for Ukraine as well as help protect Ukraine airspace but of course the end result of such open actions is hard to predict.

 

[Brovane]

Individual countries could provide troops for Ukraine as well as help protect Ukraine airspace but of course the end result of such open actions is hard to predict.

I doubt nations like Finland, Poland etc. have the proper logistics to send even brigade size expeditionary fighting forces to Ukraine to fight. That is the problem, the main enabler of NATO logistics was the US. Without the US support, the ability of NATO/EU to project brigade size forces into a non NATO country like Ukraine is very limited. This requires logistics that require expeditionary force capability and besides the US only UK and France have anything capable of doing this and both the UK and France are very limited. Even sending NATO airpower into a non NATO country to fight would be difficult. The USAF wouldn't have a problem doing this, they have the kit and capability to send airwings anywhere in the world and stand-up and entire airbase from scratch. The US could secure a patch of ground with the 82nd airborne and have within a week a forward deployed airbase up and operating complete with a Burger King. However a country like Finland or Denmark just don't have the capability to deploy a airwing like that without US support into a non NATO country. NATO countries have common logistics and operations so for example a country like Denmark could forward deploy a airwing to Poland if necessary fairly easily because Denmark logistic people and Polish logistics people are trained to do things the NATO way. This is a huge benefit of NATO, a common way of doing things which helps countries militaries fight together with NATO.

Despite all the rhetoric, Ukraine has manpower. What they lack is trained soldiers with weapons and training. The EU is supporting Ukraine by training Ukrainian forces inside of their countries. The only other possibility would be sending in EU technicians to help and support NATO Hardware like F-16's but it seems like Ukraine is quickly coming up to speed on those issues to.

 

[Artorias]

Individual countries could provide troops for Ukraine as well as help protect Ukraine airspace but of course the end result of such open actions is hard to predict.

Its entirely predictable. Russia would start lobbing missiles into EU countries free will, and no politician is going to want go on TV apologizing for the school, hospital, church etc. that was just turned to dust.

How long has it been since Western/Central EU got into a hot conflict directly on their soil? WW2? Nobody younger than those that have experienced WW2 is ready for the shock of war. Until it hits your soil this conflict might as well not exist. Its simply a non-starter with politicians and the general public is not ready.

This conflict is at a stalemate unfortunately. Where are all those economists talking about the complete collapse of the Russian economy? I thought that was supposed to happened a couple years ago.

War could go on for another 5 years. Who really knows at this point.

 

[RnR_au]

Russia's long fall has begun....



Also on Prune60's feed today is the report that industrial customers of electricity will face a price hike of 15%. This is minor potatoes (which Russia has a shortage of atm apparently) compared to the above, but little by little, the frog will be boiled.