zinfamous
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I guess the fuck around part (uncritically and zealously voting for Putin for 2 decades) has finally reached the find out part (press gangs) for Russian citizens.
That's too bad.
That's too bad.
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In Russia, TV is in color but real life is in B&W.
Plus, lol at Uncle Smarmy explaining Russia's central place in the universe.
trenchfoot
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Sort'a reminds me of the last days of the Third Reich, or the end days of Saddam Hussein. Delusion pairs up with deceptive propaganda and a kind of insanity ensures. All's well until the very last moment when it ain't.
US and it's minions doesn't mean whole planet. India and China at least one third of Earth population, and they doesn't want to obey US and second it's propaganda.
Of course, anyone who says things you don't want to hear or that don't coincide with what your country's media is saying is a troll or a paid agent of influence. Any arguments they make should be ignored.
My cookies can be checked - I'm logged in from a normal browser, without anonymisation. And is it strange that in a country of 140 million people with the adequate education there would be someone with a knowledge of English, helping himself with deepl.com to communicate with foreigners in free time?
What is really strange to me is that anti-Russian rhetoric prevails on this forum and there is no inclination to analyse. I guess hardware and software enthusiasts just love military gadgets and enjoy the mess. And they don't really give a shit about Ukrainians, how many of them die, what happens to them next - pay for the ticket, get popcorn, "root for our team", "beat the shit out of those Russians, we know they have always been and will always be the bad guys".
Isn't so?
If this is the coaching you got from your supervisor then I need to ask for their manager’s name. Your post quality is really poor and we should expect more.
Two things:
1) it has to be the most Russian thing ever to invade Ukraine and then lamenting how little the people helping Ukraine defend themselves care about Ukrainians.
2) I have explicitly asked you what evidence of widespread Russian war crimes you would accept and you don’t answer.
if you’re interested in analysis then let’s set the terms of debate and analyze. What are your terms?
Russian supporter tries to shame us about dead Ukrainians lol.
The world desperately wanted modern Russia to not be the bad guy. Lots of efforts were made to help undo decades of communism. Benefit of the doubt extended on all fronts. Massive military drawdown to prove we didn't want to take advantage of a weakened Russia. What did we get? A dictator with imperial ambitions. The west isn't a bunch of angels or anything, but on the topic of Russia we were pretty damn friendly.
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r
It is bizarre to me the energy you expand to deny the basic reality of this war of conquest and subjugation your country started.
Having failed miserably to conquer their neighbor and liquidate their government, your government now uses all it's might and preponderance of power to systematically destroy Ukraine's civilian infrastructure, wreaking as much abject misery on it's civilian population as it can because its can't defeat its army.
This is beyond ugly and totally reprehensible yet you play the victim. Why whyitso? Why?
Indus
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zinfamous
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Why haven't you volunteered to defend your country yet? You aren't a real man. Very Pathetic. Completely shameful.
he United States has been interfering in Ukraine's elections for nearly 20 years. The pro-American Ukrainian government had long cooperated with NATO and was preparing to join an alliance that had once promised not to expand eastward. Recently two former European leaders have admitted that instead of a peaceful solution to the separatist regions, Ukraine was being prepared for a military solution. For years NATO specialists worked in the country and raised the level of Ukraine's army, armed and trained it, provided it with intelligence and interfered in domestic politics.
How can we expect an objective review of any "facts" of the crimes of the Russian army by Ukraine, their American partners and the media controlled by the US ruling elites? When any statements by the Ukrainian side are immediately taken for granted, and if they turn out to be untrue, quietly go out of focus?
How can you believe any accusations when you are offered to believe the utter nonsense at the level of trolling, like stealing toilet bowls?
No, I can't accept any accusations from a biased party. Only by the results of an independent international investigation.
zinfamous
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Ukraine wants this. We want this. One way tickets to The Hague for the lot of you!
What counts as a biased party to you, specifically? Can you list any investigative organizations who you think are sufficiently unbiased?
What counts as an ‘independent international investigation’ to you, specifically?
Depending on what you deem interference this is either an embellishment or a lie.
So what?
This is a lie regarding the promise, and irrelevant. Things change in international relations and it would be pretty stupid to not adapt to an aggressive Russia even if such a promise was really made. This supposes that Ukraine, Poland, the Baltics, etc have no right of self determination and must be Russian vassals. Russian disregard for actual promises is also clear in terms of Ukraine and Budapest.
This is also a lie, they said it would buy time to strengthen Ukraine against further attacks, not that they were looking for a military solution to any unrest in the LNR/DNR.
So what? This again supposes that Ukraine has no right of self determination.
Lie, no evidence of such.
There is plenty of hard evidence and international investigation. I can predict you'll accept that as much as you accept that Russia was responsible for murdering a passenger plane load of innocent civilians. Russian news of what they're doing alone is enough to prove how deplorable their conduct is regarding cruise missile strikes on civilian infrastructure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution
are you think CIA have nothing to do with it? Just stay and watch? What are you paying them for?
I don't know what you mean. I'm sure civilian buildings are not deliberately hit unless the military is there. Energy infrastructure, I agree, is being hit. But not for the purpose of "breaking the spirit", but to worsen the logistics and supply of the Ukrainian army.
Where is the right to self-determination of Russian-speaking residents of Ukraine who want to secede? Why is the integrity of the country and non-interference in internal affairs more important in this case?
Indus
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No lesser number of Ukrainian soldiers will die, it is worth remembering that too. It is a pity for the Russians that they ended up on the other side. But you care more about Russian deaths?
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