Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

[cytg111]

Where is K-329 Belgorod ?

You mean this Satan?

MSN

"NATO has sent an intelligence note to its member countries warning of the mobilization of the Russian nuclear submarine 'K-329 Belgorod', carrying the Poseidon nuclear missile, also known as the Weapon of the Apocalypse, the Italian daily 'La Repubblica' reports Sunday. "

"The nuclear torpedo was presented in 2018 by Russia as the way to ensure Russian military supremacy, although nuclear experts have argued that the same effect can be achieved with an intercontinental missile like those in operation since the 1960s."

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Would it be inappropriate to wish for it to Kursk itself?

 

[Dave_5k]

Can't say I disagree with this in any way, but it does seem incredibly random. What's the connection between Luke Skywalker and Ukrainian drones?

Mark Hamill calls for more drones for Ukraine to fight Russian invasion

Star Wars actor promotes Ukrainian drive for donations and compares Russia to ‘evil empire’

www.theguardian.com

Well, other than the symbolism of the forces of light working together against the evil empire

 

[Jaskalas]

Difficult to keep track of the Kherson front line today, as reports come in that Ukraine has broke through as much as 15-20km deep and Russian lines are collapsing.
We'll need a moment for those gathering this information to watch it settle, and to draw new maps for Kherson.

 

[Dave_5k]

Difficult to keep track of the Kherson front line today, as reports come in that Ukraine has broke through as much as 15-20km deep and Russian lines are collapsing.
We'll need a moment for those gathering this information to watch it settle, and to draw new maps for Kherson.

Yeah, the line is moving faster than the bloggers can update them Collapse along the Dnieper river roughly as shown below, but Russians are posting concerns about risk at Beryslav positions 50km further south along river vs. what is even shown below - apparently not much in the way of defenses before then

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576642928537051137

Edit: Darth Putin take added in

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576656759854632960

 

[kage69]

Would it be inappropriate to wish for it to Kursk itself?

I've managed to not feel inappropriate about it for several hundred pages of this thread. More a knack really, very little training involved.

Kursk was hurtin from neglect and budget cuts. Belgorod is a new system that passed trials, I think the hardware is probably sound for sometime. If anything happens to it my money is on the cause being either Yuri or NATO.

 

[Leeea]

Would it be inappropriate to wish for it to Kursk itself?

It would be very appropriate.

I've managed to not feel inappropriate about it for several hundred pages of this thread. More a knack really, very little training involved.

Kursk was hurtin from neglect and budget cuts. Belgorod a new system that passed trials, I think the hardware is probably sound for sometime. If anything happens to it my money is on the cause being either Yuri or NATO.

Collisions with the sea bottom happen. Fresh crew, new sub, out of date maps, things happen.

I am sure it will be 100% accidental when both halves collide with the sea floor in an area that is just way to deep for anyone to ever do recovery. If the sub just stops reporting in, who is to know what ever happened or where it went down?

Accidents happen. Especially with submarines. Everyone knows Yuri snuck a pack of cigs onboard.

 

[Bitek]

If Putin uses nukes, we must nuke Moscow.

That's how we get NYC nuked. It's over escalation.

Launching an air campaign on occupying forces with actual NATO craft seems more appropriate

 

[K1052]

Yeah, the line is moving faster than the bloggers can update them Collapse along the Dnieper river roughly as shown below, but Russians are posting concerns about risk at Beryslav positions 50km further south along river vs. what is even shown below - apparently not much in the way of defenses before then

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576642928537051137

There is no way the Ukrainians are even near Beryslav yet but yeah there seems to be a level of panic. The Russians should have 2nd and 3rd lines of defense set up to fall back to but Dudchany is a ways for that.

 

[K1052]

Seems problematic

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576662243953217536

 

[Jaskalas]

It is a bit spectacular how aircraft are ineffective in a modern warfare environment. If you send them in, they get blown out of the sky.

 

[fskimospy]

It is a bit spectacular how aircraft are ineffective in a modern warfare environment. If you send them in, they get blown out of the sky.

That is not even remotely the lesson I would take here. It’s like saying tanks are ineffective because Russia’s armor has gotten bodied. The more likely answer is that Russia’s armed forces are incompetent and few lessons should be taken by competent militaries.

 

[Brovane]

It is a bit spectacular how aircraft are ineffective in a modern warfare environment. If you send them in, they get blown out of the sky.

Aircraft are very vulnerable when providing close air support against a enemy that has access to MANPADS. It is better to launch PGM from 30,000+ feet from a B-52 and don't expose yourself to these weapons. Fortunately for Ukraine, most of the weapons that Russian aircraft drop are dumb and they have to get close to drop weapons with accuracy.

 

[K1052]

Aircraft are very vulnerable when providing close air support against a enemy that has access to MANPADS. It is better to launch PGM from 30,000+ feet from a B-52 and don't expose yourself to these weapons. Fortunately for Ukraine, most of the weapons that Russian aircraft drop are dumb and they have to get close to drop weapons with accuracy.

Also Ukraine’s AD still works discouraging high altitude strikes because the Russian pilots aren’t looking to commit suicide.

 

[gorobei]

It is a bit spectacular how aircraft are ineffective in a modern warfare environment. If you send them in, they get blown out of the sky.

i posted a video from YT-militaryaviationhistory where he interviews Justin Bronk about the air war in UKR.

the rus af has been crippled by lack of practice and actual air time due to underfunding from kleptocracy. even if they were properly funded, he questions if any air force(nato incl) other than the US af/navy is capable of prosecuting a full SEAD campaign. SEAD and DEAD is a specialty that you need to invest in, and many nations haven't seen the need to have the capability much less pay for it in the last 3 decades.



the USAF has its wild weasels and the navy has its growlers, but the only other dedicated sead squadron was/is the RAF and GER tornados(almost 50 years old). f-16 and f-15 can use the HARM but need the ecm pods to do the full role. to some degree the F-35 can give you some SEAD, but probably not the ability to completely dismantle an IADS like the US did in iraq.
but if you do gain air superiority, things like the small diameter bomb will shut down any ground vehicles/arty. as some military commenters on the news have opined, the US could shut down the russian army in less than a week.

 

[Paratus]

Damn.

 

[Leeea]

It is a bit spectacular how aircraft are ineffective in a modern warfare environment. If you send them in, they get blown out of the sky.

I would disagree.

I think the below statement would be more correct:
It is a bit spectacular how Russian operated <insert piece of equipment> are ineffective in a modern warfare environment.

 

[Dave_5k]

Damn.

A modern call for close air support ~ via telegram and twitter! Except Russian planes apparently can't fly in the rain, oh well.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576684028161556480

 

[Dave_5k]

At some point, the Russian lines will hold... but the way things are going, it may be back at the 2020 border / conflict lines to start winter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576305697746100225

 

[cytg111]

Imagine being drafted two days ago.
Yesterday you had your refresher course.
Today you on the front of this clusterfuck with a rusty ak in one hand and half empty bottle of vodka in the other.
Time to die.
I really do feel for these poor dudes… its not their fight, some narcissist has just decided they have to die this day.

 

[zinfamous]

Imagine being drafted two days ago.
Yesterday you had your refresher course.
Today you on the front of this clusterfuck with a rusty ak in one hand and half empty bottle of vodka in the other.
Time to die.
I really do feel for these poor dudes… its not their fight, some narcissist has just decided they have to die this day.

they could always choose to shoot their commanders and maybe the bus drivers carrying them to their graves.

....or are the conscripts not given ammo because of this fear from command?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Russians are using cluster munitions all over the place so worries about UXO from the M26, which likely have way lower dud rates than soviet designs, is probably pointless.

If anything, those cluster munitions are more likely to detonated the UXO left behind from the soviet shit. It's like industrial scale minesweeping.

 

[Perknose]

ZOMG, get on UP!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1576676162528374791

 

[Muse]

Imagine being drafted two days ago.
Yesterday you had your refresher course.
Today you on the front of this clusterfuck with a rusty ak in one hand and half empty bottle of vodka in the other.
Time to die.
I really do feel for these poor dudes… its not their fight, some narcissist has just decided they have to die this day.

Is it really that quick a guy is served papers, etc.? How long does it take before they are actually in Ukraine, armed and in combat?

 

[gorobei]

Is it really that quick a guy is served papers, etc.? How long does it take before they are actually in Ukraine, armed and in combat?

there were a few reports on the news with video of the conscripts sleeping on the ground for 3 days not being trained and supposedly being shipped to the front in 2 days. so about a week? but there was also the video of recruits shopping in consumer military supply stores to get all the stuff the army wasnt supplying, so they had some time before reporting for training to sit around.