Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Grabo

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biostud said:
Unfortunately, I think Putin is willing to sacrifice a lot of innocent Russians, and because how the culture/history/media censorship of Russia is, the population is not going to uprise. I think they will take the suffering of the sanctions and the lives lost in the war as part of "being Russian", like it is a natural law or simply the destiny of the Russian people, always to suffer.
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It seems slightly absurd that the Russian state could censor the Internet so effectively or that every Russian only watched TV (and there was only the State channel 1 and 2 or something); I suppose the lack of freedom of speech and print and imprisonments or murders of dissenters keeps people in line?

It's a bit like Hong Kong, once China decided enough is enough and imposed new "security" laws with record speed and started arresting people ..well I haven't read about mass protests there lately. If the state is draconian and democracy is a swearword I suppose only the government matters. Then again there are people like Navalny and Nemtsov
 
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Ukraine offering $40k to Russian soldiers who surrender:


I find myself agreeing with the youtuber in the video for this specific video.
 
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Leeea said:
Ukraine offering $40k to Russian soldiers who surrender:


I find myself agreeing with the youtuber in the video for this specific video.
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So any given Russian soldier on the battlefield in Ukraine

1. Surrender while saying "Million" (In Russian presumably)
2. Get paid 50K USD (5 million rubles).
3. Amnesty and a new life away from Putin.

Sounds like something the rest of us could sponsor as well.. Get that GoFundMe up and running with the direct purpose of this program.
 
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RnR_au said:
I've posted several times a value of $20bil/day as the rough costs to Russia for conducting this war. Comes from this study (archive link as the original seems dos'ed) - https://web.archive.org/web/2022030...war-costs-russian-military-20-billion-per-day

Another study has appeared which says its much closer to $500mil/day - https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/russias-low-cost-war-can-endure-western-sanctions/

The studies arn't measuring exactly the same things, but maybe Russia can keep this war going for a much longer time than (at least I) anticipated :(

Sanctions however will have a real bite.
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$20 billion assumes that Russia outfits and arms and feeds its soldiers like a modern army does. But we see that Putin sends them out like they're about to raid a fortified city in Jerusalem in 850 AD.

I don't think western estimates fully appreciated what kind of incompetence and poverty we would see here.
 
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cytg111 said:
So any given Russian soldier on the battlefield in Ukraine

1. Surrender while saying "Million" (In Russian presumably)
2. Get paid 50K USD (5 million rubles).
3. Amnesty and a new life away from Putin.

Sounds like something the rest of us could sponsor as well.. Get that GoFundMe up and running with the direct purpose of this program.
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This is all well and good until Putin starts sending murder squads after the families of the first soldiers that start defecting.
 
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Grabo said:
It seems slightly absurd that the Russian state could censor the Internet so effectively or that every Russian only watched TV (and there was only the State channel 1 and 2 or something); I suppose the lack of freedom of speech and print and imprisonments or murders of dissenters keeps people in line?

It's a bit like Hong Kong, once China decided enough is enough and imposed new "security" laws with record speed and started arresting people ..well I haven't read about mass protests there lately. If the state is draconian and democracy is a swearword I suppose only the government matters. Then again there are people like Navalny and Nemtsov
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Except Hong Kong has a completely different history and educational experience than the Russian population.
 
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Yacht's not gonna make someone happy ....

France seizes Russian oligarch-linked yacht

www.marketwatch.com.ico
MarketWatch|47 minutes ago
French authorities say they have seized a yacht linked to Igor Sechin, an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, as part of European Union sanctions
 
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Vlad's off track for sure now ...

Formula 1 Cuts Ties With Russia: Here's How The Sports World Has Reacted To The Ukraine Invasion

www.forbes.com.ico
Forbes|2 hours ago
Formula 1 on Thursday cut ties with the Russian Grand Prix a week after cancelling the race, in a further blow to President Vladimir Putin who reportedly has close links to the event—here are the latest actions in the sports world from Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Formula 1 said in a statement reported by the BBC that it cancelled its "contract with the Russian Grand Prix promoter meaning Russia will not have a race in the future.
 
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"March 2 (UPI) -- The U.S. House of Representatives passed a near-unanimous resolution Wednesday declaring its support for Ukraine as the country defends its territory amid an ongoing attack from Russia."



"With this resolution, it becomes crystal clear: Mr. Putin, you can't win this. We're going to stand against you and we're going to preserve democracy, because that's what's at stake here."

Out of 429 voting members, three lawmakers -- all Republicans -- voted against affirming the resolution on Wednesday: Reps. Paul Gosar of Arizona, Thomas Massie of Kentucky and Matt Rosendale of Montana.


www.upi.com

U.S. House passes resolution declaring support for Ukraine - UPI.com

The U.S. House of Representatives passed a near-unanimous resolution Wednesday declaring its support for Ukraine as the country defends its territory amid an ongoing attack from Russia.
www.upi.com www.upi.com

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Paul Kommisar, Tommy Gunner Messie and another fool.
 
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Sounds like the Russians are going to try an amphibious landing in Odessa. I don't know if that's a good idea as it seems they probably didn't take out Ukraine's Neptune anti-ship missiles. They've only got a partial battalion stood up but still that could inflict major damage on an invasion fleet. With Turkey denying passage the Russians have got to work with what's in the Black Sea already without prospect for reinforcement.
 
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biostud said:
Except Hong Kong has a completely different history and educational experience than the Russian population.
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Yes, (different history, I don't know how the education differs); I don't see how that changes anything I wrote though. Throw all protestors in jail and worse and maybe people stop making a racket. I don't think that would work in an occupied Ukraine, but it might work in Belarus and Russia and Hong Kong, seems to be.
 
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cytg111 said:
So be it.
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these are kids that were forced out and into an invasion, apparently, without their knowledge. Their families had no idea what was going on and a lot of regular Russians appear to not support this war.

I think it's great that Ukraine makes this offer, but when Putin starts murdering Russian families in response to this, I find it hard to accept that as a willing sacrifice. How could you blame any soldier that refuses that offer, knowing their family is being held hostage by their own government?

more and more, the only real solution is to take out Putin (and yeah, Russians need to do that themselves)
 
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zinfamous said:
these are kids that were forced out and into an invasion, apparently, without their knowledge. Their families had no idea what was going on and a lot of regular Russians appear to not support this war.

I think it's great that Ukraine makes this offer, but when Putin starts murdering Russian families in response to this, I find it hard to accept that as a willing sacrifice. How could you blame any soldier that refuses that offer, knowing their family is being held hostage by their own government?

more and more, the only real solution is to take out Putin (and yeah, Russians need to do that themselves)
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I cant, of course, my heart goes out to 99.999% of Russians. It really does.
But here this conscript is, gun in hand, a part of this atrocity, in your opinion, should he keep gun in hand or take the 50K?
I am sure shit can be done to obfuscate his origins so on and so forth.
I just cant see *NOT* doing this program - cause Puti has a button.

I am willing to survey the equation that plays out in favor of this soldier NOT taking the deal... Was it me it would be a nobrainer, risks considered.
 
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RnR_au said:
The studies arn't measuring exactly the same things, but maybe Russia can keep this war going for a much longer time than (at least I) anticipated :(
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At the rate Russia is loosing men, the offensive will be largely blunted by around 100 days. One way or another.
Of course I am not saying that is a Ukrainian victory. Just that Russia will stop pushing further when there are no more men alive to do the pushing.
 
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