Not nuclear - the initial explosion would have have been blinding. That explosion was too dim. 5-10KT, while small by today's standards, is still enormously powerful. If it were a nuke, we'd know by now.That was an Iskander pretty sure. Could have been conventional, thermobaric, or like a 5-10 kiloton mini. No idea from that footage. Whomever was around on the receiving end is probably gone now though, or will be soon.
Please let it not have been a mini nuke. We don't need NATO scrambling and putting their hands on the big stuff because they lack the small stuff.
cytg111
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kage69
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And here we have an example of Ukrainian Thatchers.
Oh you're Russian? Here, have some sunflower seeds. We'll get flowers after you die. loooooool
Oh you're Russian? Here, have some sunflower seeds. We'll get flowers after you die. loooooool
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Foreign brigades are starting to become a thing.
And Germany says goodbye to Russian gas.
www.politico.eu
And Germany says goodbye to Russian gas.
Germany to upgrade two ports ‘quickly’ to receive shipped gas
The move is aimed at reducing the country’s reliance on gas piped from Russia.
www.politico.eu
This is troubling. Clearly, Putin is desperate to claim Kyiv. That armored column is in serious need of some 'close air support' - from Ukrainian pilots. Very brave Ukrainian pilots and talented pilots to pull that off with only a small chance to avoid being hit by mobile missile launcher.
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Belarus getting called in is both escalation and desperation. Not many world leaders are going to be sleeping the next 48 hours.
There is no path out for putin now. He will be toppled internally or externally.
This is a bold call, but if I had to come down on one side I think you’re right.
Wait till Monday - financial blood bath for Russia. No wonder Putin is hiding out in some luxurious dacha/bunker - there is target on the back of his head and bullet out there ready to find that target.
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The European Union is now financing the purchase of armaments for Ukraine and will impose even more sanctions. This arms purchases have to be unprecedented.
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Well worth reading VICE's interview with Alexander Vindman:
Lt. Col. Vindman: Trump ‘Absolutely’ at Fault for Russia’s Ukraine Invasion
“It’s because of Trump’s corruption that we have a less capable, less prepared Ukraine,” retired Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman told VICE News.
www.vice.com
Only a madman would shoot these soldiers 
cytg111
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Also, those EU fighter jet donations .. should be in Ukraine airspace anytime now
I think even yesterday I would've laughed at anyone making such a prediction but the events of the last 24 h have laid some glaring truths out for the world to see:
- Belarus going back on the nuclear non-proliferation agreement (or whatever it is) was one hell of a escalation.
- putin himself waving the nuke card is an act of absolute desperation.
- the extent to which European allies and the US included have ratcheted up sanctions and materiel support for Ukraine makes it ever more likely resistance will become more resolute, not less. Putin can't afford victory anymore, let alone defeat.
I cant see him succeeding given those events, nor can he afford to suffer the loss of face and reprisals of further escalation. Going the route of WMDs means sorties of US aircraft over the urals for targeted strikes or outright Armageddon.
Pulling back now and suffering the sanctions he has reaped upon Russia makes it implausible his cabal of oligarchs will countenance their loss of influence (to say nothing of the impact to their fortunes) on the world stage. Being a prince of a smoldering crater is not something they will tolerate. The business calculus is very clear here. First one to turn the knives inward will immediately gain political goodwill from Russian citizens and give the larger worldwide economic community a path to immediately revert sanctions as a carrot and foster rehabilitation into the worldwide financial system. That in and of itself will restore a significant chunk of the fortunes of the oligarchs, and lessen the burden on the citizenry.
I see literally no one in Russia that won't be better off with putin dead...save for maybe a handful of his closest asviswrs/confidants/cronies.
A nation of chess players must merely be waiting for their opening at this point.
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EU says fighter jets transferred to Ukraine will be landing "within the hour" and handed over for use. Presumably they are being provided loaded with armaments. I wondered how long it would take for these countries to actually make weapons deliveries but looking like they are really hustling.
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Assuming his earlier order isn't a bluff (and we'd be able to tell easily from SATs/sigint) ... there really are only 2 paths
1a) Someone inside realizes what you pointed out about a smoldering crater and overthrows him. They're a hero, both internally and externally. They form new govt that tries to repair ties with the rest of the world
1b) Chain of command refuses to execute any strike orders, and either enough refuse as they're relieved/executed that it falls apart or finally someone caves to his orders (see #2)
2) Uh, well ... it was nice knowing everyone
I don't see a long term path forward for Mr. Putin to stay in power. And that is the scary part.
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They already are and kinda have been for a while now. A recent article;
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