Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

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It is frankly crazy how Russia has been fighting furiously for seven months and has captured almost nothing despite horrifying losses. The gains are so small they can barely be seen on a map.

They've done a fairly solid march from Krasna Hora. Not a large distance, but it has felt like steady progress now.
We don't know how many Russians Putin can kill, or if there even is a limit. 150 million people means they've lost 0.1%?
Plenty more meat to go.

It provides time for saboteurs to gut NATO's support for Ukraine. All they need are Republicans, really. So goes the US, so goes NATO. By 2024 it might be up to Eastern Europe to carry on the war. Every single day, conservative media and personalities are fighting for this outcome. To make their desire of Russian victory, our reality. Sooner or later our Democracy WILL give it to them. Already would have happened if Trump were still holding office.

Spending meat buys time we don't have.
 

fskimospy

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They've done a fairly solid march from Krasna Hora. Not a large distance, but it has felt like steady progress now.
We don't know how many Russians Putin can kill, or if there even is a limit. 150 million people means they've lost 0.1%?
Plenty more meat to go.

It provides time for saboteurs to gut NATO's support for Ukraine. All they need are Republicans, really. So goes the US, so goes NATO. By 2024 it might be up to Eastern Europe to carry on the war. Every single day, conservative media and personalities are fighting for this outcome. To make their desire of Russian victory, our reality. Sooner or later our Democracy WILL give it to them. Already would have happened if Trump were still holding office.

Spending meat buys time we don't have.
I remember reading how at this pace for Russia to conquer Ukraine would require the death of literally the entire population of Russia.

It’s a catastrophe for them.
 

Jaskalas

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I remember reading how at this pace for Russia to conquer Ukraine would require the death of literally the entire population of Russia.

It’s a catastrophe for them.

Ukraine exists on continued western support.
We have saboteurs working to end that.

Current pace will not last forever. Someone is going to break at some point.
 

fskimospy

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Ukraine exists on continued western support.
We have saboteurs working to end that.

Current pace will not last forever. Someone is going to break at some point.
I agree, but we need to recognize that Russia is losing, and losing badly. We need to keep up the support but also we should recognize that we have annihilated Russia’s army at very small cost to us.
 

zinfamous

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Honestly, that’d be too quick and easy for him. Traitors deserve nothing.

I'm not a particularly violent or revenge-oriented person, but I wouldn't be upset if all such people got Mussolini'd, and that of course also goes for Putin, his admin, and all the oligarchs.

Yeah, I wouldn't be bothered at all if that happened.
 

Roger Wilco

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They've done a fairly solid march from Krasna Hora. Not a large distance, but it has felt like steady progress now.
We don't know how many Russians Putin can kill, or if there even is a limit. 150 million people means they've lost 0.1%?
Plenty more meat to go.

It provides time for saboteurs to gut NATO's support for Ukraine. All they need are Republicans, really. So goes the US, so goes NATO. By 2024 it might be up to Eastern Europe to carry on the war. Every single day, conservative media and personalities are fighting for this outcome. To make their desire of Russian victory, our reality. Sooner or later our Democracy WILL give it to them. Already would have happened if Trump were still holding office.

Spending meat buys time we don't have.

Ukraine is currently preparing for its next offensive. I think we’ll have a better idea on the trajectory of the war when that starts.
 

zinfamous

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sounds like Johnny Jihad has some 'issues' if this is to be believed, it's a hell of a story

Okay so, buckle up I have some wild stories about this guy. So, this guy, Johnny, showed up to Ukraine and joined the Legionnaires. From what I’ve heard, he was “eccentric” from the time he showed up, but it was attributed to the fact that Johnny boy wasn’t the sharpest crayon in the box. Upon arriving, he declared his intention to become a chaplain for the legion, going as far as to write “Priest” on his plate carrier( except he spelled it wrong) On more than one occasion he loaded a belt on a machine gun backwards, claimed to be able to read Ukrainian and Russian (He knew what sounds the letters made but not what the words meant.)

Once they got to combat operations, Johnny was a decent soldier. Things began to change however after a certain hard battle, when he was rotated away from the front lines, and he decided to get extremely intoxicated and started pissing on the legions vehicles. He was told stop and didn’t, and eventually ended up pissing in the trunk of one of the vehicles that was filled with gear, food, supplies, a machine gun after he was told that the convoy wouldn’t pull over in a stretch of dangerous highway for him to relieve himself. Essentially, he was told that he was a fucking disgrace and that he was fucked when they arrived back to the front, because they found that he had a mini keg of beer in his rucksack, and had been drinking all day. They arrive back to the front, and Johnny is told that he is being put under arrest. He doesn’t like this, not one bit. He attempts to start fighting the other soldiers, even taking swings at them , until he was promptly rendered unconscious via a swing of a rifle butt. He wakes up in a house under guard, and then decides to jump out of a window, in the middle of the night without shoes or a shirt on, and run away. After it is discovered that he has gone away, it comes out that Johnny may be in possession of a grenade. He runs to a nearby village, which has been abandoned, and steals a woman’s clothes from one of the empty houses.

At this point, his unit is out looking for him quite urgently after it surfaces that he confided in one of them, that dear Johnny was once in Isis. He’s now on RT claiming to be Antifa and a communist, was unironically in Isis, and had previously been under Russian artillery and air strikes in Syria. He smuggled himself back into the United States through the southern border, and was hiding from the law. While in the US and hiding from the law, Jihad Johnny decides to get himself involved in Meth and confederate biker gangs, owing a substantial amount of money to this gang. He forced himself on the leaders daughter and got her pregnant in hopes that the leader of this biker gang wouldn’t do anything to him (he was wrong)

You genuinely could make a movie out of this it’s so insane. So the Biker gang is out looking for him, to get their money and i assume his head, and having no way to pay it, Jihad Johnny decides to launch a Jihad against the confederate biker gang. (This is all from what he told other members of the unit after he was caught) He got his hands on an AK, and He rigged up a s*ic*de v*st and intended to detonate it to take out members of this gang. For context, Johnny was a Christian, then became a Muslim, then became Jewish, then a muslim again and then an atheist, and then a christian again (Like i said, not the brightest knife in the crayon box) And repeated this cycle several times before “selling his soul to satan for 150 years of life” before becoming a christian again. (He was completely sober recounting this by the way)

So the urgency to find this methhead, isis member lunatic who’s running around with a grenade obviously increased greatly. He was then found after running through the town yelling “Help me Baby Jesus Help me” over and over again during an artillery barrage, when he was promptly clubbed over the head with a rifle by the same guy who had done it previously. He was then placed under strict confinement, and while awaiting punishment was sent to do labor in a bunker. He was kicked out of the legion after running away again, getting drunk and pissing all over a bunker, and defacing it with spray paint. There was a joke about him, “That if the Russians ever got ahold of Johnny he’d be wearing a Russian uniform within 5 minutes because of how impressionable he was” , this ended up being true. After this, he ended up converting to Norse Paganism and joining a different militia, who were totally unaware of these previous actions, after he had a discussion with a Pagan and he decided to become one.

What I suppose happened is that he got in trouble again in this other militia, fled to istanbul like he said, and then on to Russia, because otherwise he probably would have been strung up. And soon the Russians are going to find out he has an IQ of 68 and that he’s Bullshitted all of this, and he’s going to be in for a further rough time as there is really no going back on what he’s said. His former unit members don’t believe he was “a spy who had the mission to defect the entire time” , just that he’s an absolute imbecile who’s dug a hole so far deep he won’t be able to climb out.

He ended up in Ukraine in the first place to get away from the biker gangs and also because his teeth were so fucked from meth use, he wanted to get them fixed (he did) And that’s the tale of Jihad Johnny so far, related to me from members who served in his unit. An absolute Odyssey, insane shit, insane guy

WAIT WAIT I MISSED A PART, The reason he didn’t go through with his jihad against the biker gangs was because Jesus appeared to him in a vision and melted the vest off him and he woke up naked

well, shit. I think I know this guy....damn, now I don't want him Mussolini'd. He sounds kinda interesting, actually. Well, not compromising these guys on the front line, but somewhere else, maybe,


.....say, who was that weirdo that was posting here about 3-4 years ago, a bit late middle age, suddenly "doing pot" for the first time ever and his entire mission here was to illuminate us all on how awesome pot is, and also his new-found conversion to paganism and how amazing paganism is. ....who was that guy? He self-banned a few times and returned a few times, before seemingly perma-self-banning?

I wonder if it's the same guy, lol. help us out, @brianmanahan !
 
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zinfamous

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They've done a fairly solid march from Krasna Hora. Not a large distance, but it has felt like steady progress now.
We don't know how many Russians Putin can kill, or if there even is a limit. 150 million people means they've lost 0.1%?
Plenty more meat to go.

It provides time for saboteurs to gut NATO's support for Ukraine. All they need are Republicans, really. So goes the US, so goes NATO. By 2024 it might be up to Eastern Europe to carry on the war. Every single day, conservative media and personalities are fighting for this outcome. To make their desire of Russian victory, our reality. Sooner or later our Democracy WILL give it to them. Already would have happened if Trump were still holding office.

Spending meat buys time we don't have.

Putin doesn't care. He has several million fleshy bodies that he can kidnap and ship off to the front to absorb bullets whenever he wants. A true fan of Starcraft, Putin admires the zerg horde strategy, and realizes that he has his own zergling potential in all the unwanted Chechens and Dagestanis and whoever in his chest of "undesirables" to ship off to die. It's just a win-win in his genocidal brain.
 

zinfamous

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I remember reading how at this pace for Russia to conquer Ukraine would require the death of literally the entire population of Russia.

It’s a catastrophe for them.

And he'll absolutely ship them all out the day before he goes into hospice.

Fucker needs to be murdered last year (Well, 20 years ago, really)
 

trenchfoot

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man, fuck it. that's pretty awesome tbh.


So I guess the rumor is true that people in the defense industry in Russia have been saying building low silhouette tanks and APCs to avoid getting ID'd and targeted got kicked to the curb in favor of building very high visibility tracked armor with no guns are going to be rushed to Ukraine in order to scare the Ukrainians into surrendering.
 

kage69

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sounds like Johnny Jihad has some 'issues' if this is to be believed, it's a hell of a story

Okay so, buckle up I have some wild stories about this guy. So, this guy, Johnny, showed up to Ukraine and joined the Legionnaires. From what I’ve heard, he was “eccentric” from the time he showed up, but it was attributed to the fact that Johnny boy wasn’t the sharpest crayon in the box. Upon arriving, he declared his intention to become a chaplain for the legion, going as far as to write “Priest” on his plate carrier( except he spelled it wrong) On more than one occasion he loaded a belt on a machine gun backwards, claimed to be able to read Ukrainian and Russian (He knew what sounds the letters made but not what the words meant.)

Once they got to combat operations, Johnny was a decent soldier. Things began to change however after a certain hard battle, when he was rotated away from the front lines, and he decided to get extremely intoxicated and started pissing on the legions vehicles. He was told stop and didn’t, and eventually ended up pissing in the trunk of one of the vehicles that was filled with gear, food, supplies, a machine gun after he was told that the convoy wouldn’t pull over in a stretch of dangerous highway for him to relieve himself. Essentially, he was told that he was a fucking disgrace and that he was fucked when they arrived back to the front, because they found that he had a mini keg of beer in his rucksack, and had been drinking all day. They arrive back to the front, and Johnny is told that he is being put under arrest. He doesn’t like this, not one bit. He attempts to start fighting the other soldiers, even taking swings at them , until he was promptly rendered unconscious via a swing of a rifle butt. He wakes up in a house under guard, and then decides to jump out of a window, in the middle of the night without shoes or a shirt on, and run away. After it is discovered that he has gone away, it comes out that Johnny may be in possession of a grenade. He runs to a nearby village, which has been abandoned, and steals a woman’s clothes from one of the empty houses.

At this point, his unit is out looking for him quite urgently after it surfaces that he confided in one of them, that dear Johnny was once in Isis. He’s now on RT claiming to be Antifa and a communist, was unironically in Isis, and had previously been under Russian artillery and air strikes in Syria. He smuggled himself back into the United States through the southern border, and was hiding from the law. While in the US and hiding from the law, Jihad Johnny decides to get himself involved in Meth and confederate biker gangs, owing a substantial amount of money to this gang. He forced himself on the leaders daughter and got her pregnant in hopes that the leader of this biker gang wouldn’t do anything to him (he was wrong)

You genuinely could make a movie out of this it’s so insane. So the Biker gang is out looking for him, to get their money and i assume his head, and having no way to pay it, Jihad Johnny decides to launch a Jihad against the confederate biker gang. (This is all from what he told other members of the unit after he was caught) He got his hands on an AK, and He rigged up a s*ic*de v*st and intended to detonate it to take out members of this gang. For context, Johnny was a Christian, then became a Muslim, then became Jewish, then a muslim again and then an atheist, and then a christian again (Like i said, not the brightest knife in the crayon box) And repeated this cycle several times before “selling his soul to satan for 150 years of life” before becoming a christian again. (He was completely sober recounting this by the way)

So the urgency to find this methhead, isis member lunatic who’s running around with a grenade obviously increased greatly. He was then found after running through the town yelling “Help me Baby Jesus Help me” over and over again during an artillery barrage, when he was promptly clubbed over the head with a rifle by the same guy who had done it previously. He was then placed under strict confinement, and while awaiting punishment was sent to do labor in a bunker. He was kicked out of the legion after running away again, getting drunk and pissing all over a bunker, and defacing it with spray paint. There was a joke about him, “That if the Russians ever got ahold of Johnny he’d be wearing a Russian uniform within 5 minutes because of how impressionable he was” , this ended up being true. After this, he ended up converting to Norse Paganism and joining a different militia, who were totally unaware of these previous actions, after he had a discussion with a Pagan and he decided to become one.

What I suppose happened is that he got in trouble again in this other militia, fled to istanbul like he said, and then on to Russia, because otherwise he probably would have been strung up. And soon the Russians are going to find out he has an IQ of 68 and that he’s Bullshitted all of this, and he’s going to be in for a further rough time as there is really no going back on what he’s said. His former unit members don’t believe he was “a spy who had the mission to defect the entire time” , just that he’s an absolute imbecile who’s dug a hole so far deep he won’t be able to climb out.

He ended up in Ukraine in the first place to get away from the biker gangs and also because his teeth were so fucked from meth use, he wanted to get them fixed (he did) And that’s the tale of Jihad Johnny so far, related to me from members who served in his unit. An absolute Odyssey, insane shit, insane guy

WAIT WAIT I MISSED A PART, The reason he didn’t go through with his jihad against the biker gangs was because Jesus appeared to him in a vision and melted the vest off him and he woke up naked




I can see the Russians deciding he's more trouble than he's worth. "Nyet. We already have Seagal." They're going to shoot that asshole when he flees trench digging duty.
 

Ajay

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I agree, but we need to recognize that Russia is losing, and losing badly. We need to keep up the support but also we should recognize that we have annihilated Russia’s army at very small cost to us.
If you call not winning losing, then yeah, but no. It's a stalemate at present and Russia, unsurprisingly, doesn't care that much about body count. Given that the there is little the Russian public can do about the war, Putin can probably call up another million troops without much trouble, or even twice that. Even with just arty and small weapons - that presents a major problem for Ukraine. It takes a lot of time to kill, wound and wear down armies that large. In the meanwhile, the Ukrainian defenders are also being killed, wounded and exhausted by the continual fighting. That is a problem even at a 2:1 kill ratio (I actually hope it's higher). Also, it's causing the UA to piss through allot of ammo and ordinance.

This is the reason for the urgent call for tanks. If the UA can't push deep into enemy occupied territory to cut off the supply of men and material into the front, they are stuck fighting a war of attrition. That isn't a good position to be in for a much smaller country. Long range weapons are very useful for disrupting the enemies supply lines, critical large weapon systems, ammo depots and command headquarters, but at some point the UA needs to advance and take territory and push all of that back into Russia.

The objective is to control the border. Even then, Russia can keep fighting if Putin and his remaining loyalists keep pushing the war. I imagine that the hope is that if Russia will look so weak if they are pushed out of Ukraine that they become both and international pariah and laughingstock. The world usually turns pretty harshly against losers who bet big. And even with Russia's media blackout, the Russian people will perceive the Putin government as being weak.

Anyway, personally, I'm not even close to smiling yet. It's a horrific war and it's taking time for NATO (and other friendly nations) to step up and give enough advanced offensive weaponry to the Ukrainian's till they start saying it's too much. Time isn't something Ukraine has on their side at the moment.
 

Racan

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So Rheinmetall wants to build a Panther tank factory in Ukraine
"Ukraine needs at least 600 to 800 tanks for a victory," said Rheinmetall boss Papperger to the Rheinische Post. The states of Europe must hand over as many tanks as possible and industry must re-produce as quickly as possible.

This means: Even if Germany handed over all available 300 Leopard 2 tanks to the Bundeswehr, this would be clearly too few from Rheinmetall's point of view. Part of the solution: A plant for tanks of the "Panther" type is to be built in Ukraine.

For around 200 million euros, a Rheinmetall plant in Ukraine can be built, which produces up to 400 panthers annually. The head of the arms company calls the talks with the government in Kiev "promising." He hopes for a decision in the next two months.

 

K1052

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So Rheinmetall wants to build a Panther tank factory in Ukraine



Ukraine represents the single largest opportunity for the German arms industry since the end of the Cold War. They'll need upwards of a thousand new tanks at a bare minimum. Then there are tank destroyers/fire support vehicles, IFVs, APCs, etc.

If they are going to compete with the South Koreans this is what it takes.
 

Roger Wilco

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Isn’t it fairly evident that Ukraine is bleeding Russia out in Bakhmut until they begin their next offensive?

It seems a bit premature to say this is a stalemate.
 

Jaskalas

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In today's speech, Trump to demand an end to Ukraine. That is, our support for Ukraine.
CPAC 2023 is for Russian victory in this war to invade Europe.

Recall that this is a war of attrition. Recall that Ukraine is pleading for more aid, as they are running out of ammo.
Now picture that Republicans want Ukrainians dead and Putin victorious.

How do you feel about the future?
 

kage69

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Another March arrives, will it be more productive than the last? Give us the dead dictator the world needs?

Let's go Ides! Was kind of hoping Ramzan thinks Putin is the one who tried to kill him, then goes for revenge.
 

kage69

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In today's speech, Trump to demand an end to Ukraine. That is, our support for Ukraine.
CPAC 2023 is for Russian victory in this war to invade Europe.

Recall that this is a war of attrition. Recall that Ukraine is pleading for more aid, as they are running out of ammo.
Now picture that Republicans want Ukrainians dead and Putin victorious.

How do you feel about the future?

Confident. Russian and republican fortunes continue to eat shit, with gusto.

I feel like the 2024 election will go about as well for the repugs as this Ukrainian clusterfuck is going for the orcs.

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fskimospy

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Isn’t it fairly evident that Ukraine is bleeding Russia out in Bakhmut until they begin their next offensive?

It seems a bit premature to say this is a stalemate.
Yeah I would not call this a stalemate. Russia has lost about half the territory it took initially and their army seems to have lost the ability to conduct successful offensive operations.

To me they are like Germany in 1943. They have already lost, it just might take them a while to accept it.