Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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fskimospy

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I think it is a matter of reading into what is said by the other side based in your expectations going in. There was plenty of analysis and a follow-up quote from him saying what is the big deal, don’t you want more bang for the buck and no blank cheque?

He personally voted for the previous aid packages and McConnel said that the Senate Republicans support continuing aid to Ukraine.

If you think that recognizing political speech pandering to a base is inept, then, sure, go with that.

There is zero chance of anything but a Democrat representing the district where I live, so not a direct concern for me, but the Republican base is pretty anti-Russia (and China) and very pro-Ukraine and Taiwan.

Maybe stop labeling people that don’t agree with you as being stupid and perhaps you will be more persuasive.o think the Republicans nominated a pretty inept cadre of new candidates this time, the fact that they are doing so well is enough for me to see that the Democrats are missing what is important to the voters.

What is important to me is that we continue to aid Ukraine and keep Europe doing the same and get ready for whatever China will try next.

I personally am not a genius in my voting. I just voted no way Trump and Harris lived in my home city and her mom taught at one of the universities I went to. Otherwise I was going to vote Green or Libertarian.
The Republican base is a lot less anti-Russia than you think and this is highly relevant. Republicans' primary focus is on their hatred of their domestic political enemies. Leading right wing opinion makers like Tucker Carlson are working very hard to limit or end US support for Ukraine and have the US realign towards Russia.

The most important thing to remember about Republican politicians is unlike Democratic politicians they are captured by their base. If the Republican base turns against Ukraine you will see Republican politicians march right along with them and there were already plenty of signs the Republican base is willing/starting to do that.
 

zinfamous

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Maybe stop labeling people that don’t agree with you as being stupid and perhaps you will be more persuasive.o think the Republicans nominated a pretty inept cadre of new candidates this time, the fact that they are doing so well is enough for me to see that the Democrats are missing what is important to the voters.
What is important to Republican voters is fundamentally dangerous to humanity, so it isn't really much of a concern to understand what they want beyond their general desire to imprison, impoverish, and murder anyone that doesn't think or look like them. You can see it in the people that they vote for, who ostensibly represent "what is important to them."
 

Drach

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If Russia drops a tactical nuke, I'm in Ukraine. I think it would be a shame if the US and other NATO members didn't respond. One can only hope.
Sick of this bullshit!
 
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Jaskalas

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Putin's lapdog vows Genocide in the clearest terms. Vows not taking anyone alive, or at least... long enough to inflict horrific torture. Vows that Russia owns up to the Polish border. Every week, Russians keep repeating that all of Ukraine is theirs to massacre. Was always, and still is, their goal. Their only purpose for launching this war.

Anyone who would have us surrender or negotiate with that....
Will not be someone I tolerate.

 
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borosp1

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Yeah USA, France and UK will definitely respond. Maybe others as well.
It was mentioned by David Porteous (former CIA director) they would respond with conventional weapons and kill off all Russian Troops in occupied territories (then Ukrainian soldiers can just walk into those territories and claim them back without an additional shot) and blow away the Russian Black See fleet where Russia will not have a supporting navy.

former CIA Director David Petraeus has suggested:
"Destroy its forces in Ukraine or sink its Black Sea Fleet? Not responding at all may invite further Russian aggression and permanently shatter the anti-nuclear taboo—but too strong a reaction risks events spiraling out of control. "
 
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Artorias

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Dirty bomb/blowing the nuclear plant should be made clear as the red line.

The fallout from these events would effect greater Europe, and will more than likely force a neighboring country to invoke NATO protection.

I would hope every nuclear plant in Europe is covered by the very best air defense technology available.
 
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Puffnstuff

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Putin's lapdog vows Genocide in the clearest terms. Vows not taking anyone alive, or at least... long enough to inflict horrific torture. Vows that Russia owns up to the Polish border. Every week, Russians keep repeating that all of Ukraine is theirs to massacre. Was always, and still is, their goal. Their only purpose for launching this war.

Anyone who would have us surrender or negotiate with that....
Will not be someone I tolerate.

Ramzan Kadyrov needs a visit from Delta Force....just saying.
 

cytg111

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Putin's lapdog vows Genocide in the clearest terms. Vows not taking anyone alive, or at least... long enough to inflict horrific torture. Vows that Russia owns up to the Polish border. Every week, Russians keep repeating that all of Ukraine is theirs to massacre. Was always, and still is, their goal. Their only purpose for launching this war.

Anyone who would have us surrender or negotiate with that....
Will not be someone I tolerate.

Oh
Oh
Oh
Oh no he didnt.
I cant believe this message is Putin approved, cause, shiiit
 
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