Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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adamsleath

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Which reminds me of that old adage of which I paraphrase with such recklessness "youth and strength is no match for old age and treachery".
something that can be learned quickly. but the art of sincerity when lying takes time to perfect.
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anywho how about them defenseless unarmed civilians. being nerfed whilst in humanitarian corridors. whoop whoop. :rolleyes:

as for higher fuel prices. are there actual shortages? or is it just some handy price gouging to swell the oil stock portfolios.

yeh they don't pay me enough.

as for actual consumption (gasoline):



no oil shortage. but it's a good opp. for oil suppliers to screw you blind, yes?
gee, something something 'free market'.


who is still buying oil from russia?, and if so how much are they buying it for?

i suppose the sudden shock to having oil supply from russia interrupted....o wait... lol

i suppose there are additional costs in increasing the rate of supply from alternate sources. $$$$
 
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amd6502

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Yup it's mainly cost of paying the soldiers. There is so much stockpile of weapons to fight such a war several times over.

I've posted several times a value of $20bil/day as the rough costs to Russia for conducting this war. Comes from this study (archive link as the original seems dos'ed) - https://web.archive.org/web/2022030...war-costs-russian-military-20-billion-per-day

Another study has appeared which says its much closer to $500mil/day - https://asiatimes.com/2022/03/russias-low-cost-war-can-endure-western-sanctions/

The studies arn't measuring exactly the same things, but maybe Russia can keep this war going for a much longer time than (at least I) anticipated :(

Sanctions however will have a real bite.
 

amd6502

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If Latvia or Estonia ever went nuclear. Jesus fucking christ....

You might as well make the threat that at some point, Trump will tell the truth.

get the fuck out of here with this inexperienced, unread horseshit.

Yup the Baltic states absolutely have no intention of being part of MAD. Putin no doubt factored this in. Plus the Latvians and Lithuanians haven't been slaughtering and oppressing their ethnic Russian populations at home.

The same (intentions overtly or covertly going nucleat in the future) cannot be said of Zelensky with any sort of near certainty, nor the ultra right wing nationalists---if those crazies or the Ukranian mafia ever seized power all bets are off, pretty much for anything.

The world is taking a serious long term risk down the next 20+ years with these lunatics (azovs, not the ukr army) being handed manpads (how much accountability would you get if you handed such weapons to your typical mafia?).

Still no rational reason given, I see. The proximity of Moscow to any of those NATO members is irrelevant, given what a cruise missile can accomplish these days.

Your statement makes no sense at all. Cruise missiles are far easier to intercept. But a launch of a volley of those at Moscow would be a good way to trigger mutual destruction. Ballistic missiles even more so; those are harder to intercept, with the most advanced ballistic missiles being very hard to near impossible to intercept.

As for a troop invasion towards Moscow, going through Lithuania and then Latvia would be costly while Belarus is allied with Russia. Aircraft, stand off air to surface missiles, and ground launched cruise missiles, from both fronts, South and East would pummel troop concentrations and ground targets like air fields, and eventually overpower the airpower stationed in the Baltics.

Ukraine on the other hand has a very broad border and is not flanked from one side with an allied country, and the ocean on the opposite side.
 

Thump553

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Russia approves the ability to nationalize companies that exit Russia. Interesting decision given that generally hasn't planned out well for countries

Paywall link

"Russia’s government legislative commission approved measures Wednesday that pave the way for the nationalization of property of Western companies that are exiting the country."

They follow through on this, it is the perfect way delay the recovery of Russia by decades. No foreign company is going to invest there again (beyond what they can recoup in a year or two).
 
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SAVE UKRAINE ukrinform.net

Ukraine is creating an International Legion of Territorial Defense consisting of foreigners who are willing to join the resistance to the Russian invaders and protect global security.
Ukrinform has received from security circles a 7-step algorithm on how to join the force.
Step 1. Contact the Embassy of Ukraine in your country with the intention to join the International Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine (reach out to a military attache or consul: contact details are available on the website of our embassies):
You can apply in three ways: 1) come to the embassy in person; 2) call the embassy; 3) send an e-mail.
Step 2. Get briefed on what documents and gear (equipment) you will require.
Documents: ID or passport (national); passport for foreign travel; documents confirming military service experience (service in law enforcement) and combat experience; other documents on the instructions of a military attache or consul.
Step 3. Report to the embassy with a package of documents for an interview with a defense attaché and for visa clearance – with a consul.
Step 4. Write an application for admission to the territorial defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for contracted military service on a voluntary basis (defense attaché provides assistance).
Step 5. Get instructions on how to arrive in Ukraine, the documents and equipment required.
It is recommended that you have on you military uniform or its elements, gear, helmet, body armor, and more, if available.
Step 6. Cross into Ukraine in a designated manner.
Representatives of Ukrainian embassies, consulates (abroad) and territorial defense forces in Ukraine will provide assistance in deployment. Their contacts will be provided at the embassy of Ukraine in your country.
Step 7. Upon arrival at the assembly point in Ukraine, join the Foreign Legion of Territorial Defense of Ukraine (sign a contract) and together with soldiers from other countries and Ukrainian soldiers join the fight against Russian invaders.
As you know, earlier President of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelensky announced the creation of the International Legion of Territorial Defense in Ukraine. The corresponding address by the president pointed out that Ukrainians have courage to defend their homeland, defend Europe, defend the values of civilization. At the same time, it was noted that this is not just Russian invasion of Ukraine, this is the beginning of a war against Europe, basic human rights, and all rules of coexistence on the continent.
Read also: London supports Brits willing to defend Ukraine
President addressed to all citizens of foreign nations who are friends of Ukraine: all those who want to join the defense of security in Europe and all over the world can come and stand side by side with Ukrainians against the XXI century invaders.
According to the Regulations on Military Service with the Armed Forces by Foreigners and Stateless Persons, approved by the Decree by the President of Ukraine of June 10, 2016, No. 248, foreigners have the right to enlist in the Armed Forces on a voluntary basis, including in the Territorial Defense Forces of the AFU.
In this regard, to all foreigners willing to join the resistance to the Russian invaders and protect world security, the Ukrainian leadership offers to come and join the ranks of the Territorial Defense Forces. A separate unit of foreigners has been formed – the International Legion of the Territorial Defense of Ukraine.
This will be a key sign of support for Ukraine.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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Humans have been dying in Yemen in large numbers - maybe 3000 civilians have been killed by Saudi bombs. Nearly half-a-million people have died in all. But nobody seems to be in much of a rush to even impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia, yet alone go to war with them (mainly, it seems, for fear of those gas prices going up - i.e. the concern is money). The Turks have been violently suppressing Kurdish desire for autonomy for a long time, but Turkey is still in NATO.

I agree Ukraine is horrifying, and Putin is a psychopath that something very bad should happen to. But I just don't think anyone can strike judgemental postures as you do here while you've been happily ignoring all the other horrible situations that you could have been doing something about (without risking nuclear war).
Who says I'm ignoring that stuff? If you want a thread about the disaster in Yemen, we can make a thread and talk about that. I do what I can as a singular human to help out other humans, but I can hardly control the House of Saud now can I?
 

Xcobra

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This war is starting to have a lot of parallels to the Bosnian one. Despite the west helping out a lot more than back then, with the killing of civilians and the mass graves, it seems the same. So fucked up.