Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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hlreijnd

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Big talk from the safety of your keyboard. How about you go first, tough guy? Let’s see how long you last before you’re begging for an evac.

Amazing how people (especially politicians) are so eager to send other people’s kids to die, moving them around like chess pieces except in this game, pawns don’t get to respawn.

But hey, keep LARPing as a war general from your couch. Maybe they’ll name a trench after you.

European countries actually have armies. Those people get a very decent salary to fight abroad. In contrast to Russian soldiers.

So no need to send kids and other untrained folks like the Russians do.

How much does Russia pay you to be a keyboard warrior?
 

mikeymikec

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if EU / NATO is serious about defending Ukraine, they need to put boots in Ukraine
I was of this opinion in 2022. There is no viable 'soft' option when Putin is attempting to bully his way into Europe, as has been proven over the last 3 years.

Big talk from the safety of your keyboard. How about you go first, tough guy?

Try to be less of a hypocrite, Russian mouthpiece. Putin has been putting Russian soldiers into the meat grinder for three years purely for the sake of his own ego.
 
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Is actually a bless for ANY Anti Russian... even China is starting to see as an advantage, even if it means the end of the relation with Russia since Russia and US seems to be forming into a new alliance.
Half in jest (or maybe not), a genuine 5head move by Zelensky right now might be an alliance with China. Considering how things could change, China might end up on the right side (even if not entirely of its own volition in the first place), just as happened with the USSR in WW2.
 

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Half in jest (or maybe not), a genuine 5head move by Zelensky right now might be an alliance with China. Considering how things could change, China might end up on the right side (even if not entirely of its own volition in the first place), just as happened with the USSR in WW2.
Heh... Trump wanted 50% of Ukraine's resources... would China be happy with 10% ? :)
 

mikeymikec

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Half in jest (or maybe not), a genuine 5head move by Zelensky right now might be an alliance with China. Considering how things could change, China might end up on the right side (even if not entirely of its own volition in the first place), just as happened with the USSR in WW2.
Just aside from China and Russia being friendly with each other, China is geographically in one of the worst positions to help Ukraine.
 
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Just aside from China and Russia being friendly with each other, China is geographically in one of the worst positions to help Ukraine.
Well, their "friendship" doesn't stop Trump from thinking that Russia will help counter China. But yeah, I wouldn't really want to coop with China. Just some crazy thoughts in the background of all this 5d chess stuff.
 
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Heh... Trump wanted 50% of Ukraine's resources... would China be happy with 10% ? :)
But putting the jokes aside, I believe we could indeed use our resources in exchange for security guarantees and investments. I doubt that we could start mining them on our own anytime soon. However, to obtain them, the war must end. And if Russia will be here, then it is not worth hoping that Putin will be an obedient boy.
 
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cytg111

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Half in jest (or maybe not), a genuine 5head move by Zelensky right now might be an alliance with China. Considering how things could change, China might end up on the right side (even if not entirely of its own volition in the first place), just as happened with the USSR in WW2.
At this point I am about ready to throw the rest of Europe into that alliance too.
 
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They could just start invading Russia and take what "belongs" to China, since it seems it is the politics Putin adhere to. :p
They don't even have to start a military intervention. It's enough to "occupy" territories under the pretext of "aid and building factories" as they do in Africa, and then over time simply declare that they consider these territories theirs, as they do with Taiwan. And who will stop them? Look at the eastern part of Russia, there will be no one there to even defend such volumes of territories.
 

biostud

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They don't even have to start a military intervention. It's enough to "occupy" territories under the pretext of "aid and building factories" as they do in Africa, and then over time simply declare that they consider these territories theirs, as they do with Taiwan. And who will stop them? Look at the eastern part of Russia, there will be no one there to even defend such volumes of territories.
Exactly, it is not likely there will be an uproar from anyone except Putin.
 
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cytg111

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Just aside from China and Russia being friendly with each other, China is geographically in one of the worst positions to help Ukraine.
Nations dont have friends they have interests. With a plausible path to a collapse of the Russian federation and a new axis of alliances, China might smell opportunity to the north.
 
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Exactly, it is not likely there will be an uproar from anyone except Putin.
Actually, it's very difficult to effectively control such an extensive front line. Currently, we know of approx about half a million Russians spread over roughly 1,000-1,500 kilometers of the front where fighting is ongoing. Good luck to Putin trying to shift even a portion of that force to the east, thousands of kilometers away from where they are now in Ukraine.
 
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zinfamous

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Is actually a bless for ANY Anti Russian... even China is starting to see as an advantage, even if it means the end of the relation with Russia since Russia and US seems to be forming into a new alliance.

This is indeed what Trump wants and what every Trump voter wants. It's no other way. This is why Greenman and Brandonbull voted for Trump: they want their precious cities to look just like Novosibirsk. I think they have a taste for that frozen fish diet.

All this being said, though, there's a lot of interested parties, still certainly within the conservative sphere of this country, that will never let that happen, whatever it takes. 2 Trump supporters have already tried to take him out, and the closer this gets to happening, I suspect some far more capable and far more seriously connected entities are going to go for Ben Franklin's alternative solution.....
 
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K1052

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Some talk circulating that Trump now wants a "simplified" minerals deal in exchange for continued US military aid. Presumably this would not actually hold Ukraine to anything specific. In typical Trump fashion he could be willing to sell something as a win that really doesn't mean anything.
 
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I’ve spoken to a few MAGA recently who vehemently assert that cuts to medicaid, SS, etc. are necessary because we’ve sent “so much money” to Ukraine.
You should remind them that people on Medicaid and SS don't need their payment in Bradley IFVs that have been in storage since the Gulf War. Though, with the way things are going, maybe they would accept such payments now...