Russia on brink of ... NOPE! Russia INVADES Ukraine!

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Jaskalas

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Looks like Western media is running a campaign to tell the story. Of Ukraine's loss in the war of attrition.
  1. Ukraine NOT winning war, claims top Zelensky aide...
  2. Commanders refuse orders to advance...
  3. Russian Suicide Drone Blunting Counteroffensive...
But what really tops the cake, is NBC.

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say

That so called peace is a ploy of our enemy. Where we likely abandon Ukraine "post-war" and allow Russia to rearm and regroup. Where next time, at Russia's choosing, we would be lucky if they are stopped at the Dnipro. It is a policy for rewarding theft of land, and a policy for taking more land. More Genocide later. To the victor go the spoils.

Is that really our policy?
Is that what we are pushing to achieve?
A world where nuclear weapon is the only security.

If we do not bleed Russia here and now, if Russia does not lose its gains, there will be far more blood later. Far more.
 

Grabo

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Looks like Western media is running a campaign to tell the story. Of Ukraine's loss in the war of attrition.
  1. Ukraine NOT winning war, claims top Zelensky aide...
  2. Commanders refuse orders to advance...
  3. Russian Suicide Drone Blunting Counteroffensive...
But what really tops the cake, is NBC.

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say

That so called peace is a ploy of our enemy. Where we likely abandon Ukraine "post-war" and allow Russia to rearm and regroup. Where next time, at Russia's choosing, we would be lucky if they are stopped at the Dnipro. It is a policy for rewarding theft of land, and a policy for taking more land. More Genocide later. To the victor go the spoils.

Is that really our policy?
Is that what we are pushing to achieve?
A world where nuclear weapon is the only security.

If we do not bleed Russia here and now, if Russia does not lose its gains, there will be far more blood later. Far more.
In that article:
" The Biden administration does not have any indication that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, two U.S. officials said."
Even if Putin was ready to negotiate, what use is that? First, it shows you can do whatever the hell you please and get away with it; second, who in their right mind thinks Putin is going to stick to an agreement? Especially in this case where he can hardly bring himself to call Ukraine a country.

And weary old Grasshopped saying "the bad news just like to pile up doesn't it"; I'd argue that is primarily true for young (draftable) Russian males since it is a meatgrinder and Russia has repeatedly shown they value (any) human life less than scum. What would you need to be on to be able to crow happily about that
 
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fskimospy

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In that article:
" The Biden administration does not have any indication that Russian President Vladimir Putin is ready to negotiate with Ukraine, two U.S. officials said."
Even if Putin was ready to negotiate, what use is that? First, it shows you can do whatever the hell you please and get away with it; second, who in their right mind thinks Putin is going to stick to an agreement? Especially in this case where he can hardly bring himself to call Ukraine a country.

And weary old Grasshopped saying "the bad news just like to pile up doesn't it"; I'd argue that is primarily true for young (draftable) Russian males since it is a meatgrinder and Russia has repeatedly shown they value (any) human life less than scum. What would you need to be on to be able to crow happily about that
This is the main problem, yes. Say tomorrow Putin says ‘give me X and I promise to never invade Ukraine again.’ Does anyone think that promise is worth the paper it’s written on?
 

cytg111

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Looks like Western media is running a campaign to tell the story. Of Ukraine's loss in the war of attrition.
  1. Ukraine NOT winning war, claims top Zelensky aide...
  2. Commanders refuse orders to advance...
  3. Russian Suicide Drone Blunting Counteroffensive...
But what really tops the cake, is NBC.

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say

That so called peace is a ploy of our enemy. Where we likely abandon Ukraine "post-war" and allow Russia to rearm and regroup. Where next time, at Russia's choosing, we would be lucky if they are stopped at the Dnipro. It is a policy for rewarding theft of land, and a policy for taking more land. More Genocide later. To the victor go the spoils.

Is that really our policy?
Is that what we are pushing to achieve?
A world where nuclear weapon is the only security.

If we do not bleed Russia here and now, if Russia does not lose its gains, there will be far more blood later. Far more.
Well

1. Everyone at this point understands that the counteroffensive didnt go exactly as planned. Its still a conflict of attrition, what specific piece of dirt it happens on is of less significance.

2. A good thing right? We dont want UKR troops to feed the meat grinder like the Orcs.

3. We need to come up with something to counter this. Probable a factor 100 more drones for UKR forces.
 
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The way to win the war is to give Ukraine the firepower it needs to overcome Russia's numerical advantage. Until that takes place the current situation is likely to persist. We possess these items which were all designed for this specific intended purpose.

This means standoff weapons galore, lots more DPICM (M26s especially), air power and the ability to use them on targets inside territorial Russia (at a minimum the border oblasts). We would never hold ourselves to such a restriction. That everything of military value in Crimea at least has not been reduced to a smoking crater is truly a shame.
 

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If we do not bleed Russia here and now, if Russia does not lose its gains, there will be far more blood later. Far more.


Who is ‘we’? Are you actively in the fight? Your kids, grandkids? Brother maybe? Easy to cheerlead for the continued slaughter of Ukrainians while sitting in the comfort of your own home.

It’s honestly despicable considering the vast majority of those Ukrainian troops don’t want to be there. I’ve posted the kidnapping videos before and you all have seen them.


But yeah let’s continue to ‘bleed’ Russia. Who cares as long as it’s not one of your loved ones right?
 

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Who is ‘we’? Are you actively in the fight? Your kids, grandkids? Brother maybe? Easy to cheerlead for the continued slaughter of Ukrainians while sitting in the comfort of your own home.

It’s honestly despicable considering the vast majority of those Ukrainian troops don’t want to be there. I’ve posted the kidnapping videos before and you all have seen them.


But yeah let’s continue to ‘bleed’ Russia. Who cares as long as it’s not one of your loved ones right?
Behind your veneer of concern for the slaughter of Ukrainians, by, and let's be clear about this, Russians who unilaterally invaded that country lies your unmistakable glee at the destruction Russia has rained down on Ukraine.

You may not "hate" the Ukrainians, but what lies behind your seemingly steadfast loyalty to Putin's Russia? Why do your innate loyalties lie with Russia? Is Russia simply your home team, or adopted home team? Why does your heart lie with Russia?

I sincerely want to know, all judgement aside.
 

fskimospy

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Who is ‘we’? Are you actively in the fight? Your kids, grandkids? Brother maybe? Easy to cheerlead for the continued slaughter of Ukrainians while sitting in the comfort of your own home.

It’s honestly despicable considering the vast majority of those Ukrainian troops don’t want to be there. I’ve posted the kidnapping videos before and you all have seen them.


But yeah let’s continue to ‘bleed’ Russia. Who cares as long as it’s not one of your loved ones right?
We don’t want any Ukrainians to die, unfortunately that’s not our choice, it’s Russia’s.

I do want to see every single Russian invader die though so it’s been gratifying to see them be slaughtered by the thousands.

How many thousand more Russians are you willing to see die just so Putin can keep invading his neighbors?
 

fskimospy

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Behind your veneer of concern for the slaughter of Ukrainians, by, and let's be clear about this, Russians who unilaterally invaded that country lies your unmistakable glee at the destruction Russia has rained down on Ukraine.

You may not "hate" the Ukrainians, but what lies behind your seemingly steadfast loyalty to Putin's Russia? Why do your innate loyalties lie with Russia? Is Russia simply your home team, or adopted home team? Why does your heart lie with Russia?

I sincerely want to know, all judgement aside.
His level of fealty to Russia is pretty weird. I asked him repeatedly to say even a single negative thing about Russia and he steadfastly refuses.
 

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Who is ‘we’? Are you actively in the fight? Your kids, grandkids? Brother maybe? Easy to cheerlead for the continued slaughter of Ukrainians while sitting in the comfort of your own home.

It’s honestly despicable considering the vast majority of those Ukrainian troops don’t want to be there. I’ve posted the kidnapping videos before and you all have seen them.


But yeah let’s continue to ‘bleed’ Russia. Who cares as long as it’s not one of your loved ones right?

Russia loves to commit suicide.

They do a great job of bleeding themselves.

Meanwhile, Ukraine must defend their lands from a bunch of suicide lovers.
 

Ajay

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That everything of military value in Crimea at least has not been reduced to a smoking crater is truly a shame.
Amen to that. The simple fact that the Kerch bridge hasn’t been cratered on a routine basis is something is aggravating. It shouldn't ever be useable for more than a day.

I just hope the republicans in the senate can keep the funding going and prevail over the retards in the house.
 

Young Grasshopper

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Behind your veneer of concern for the slaughter of Ukrainians, by, and let's be clear about this, Russians who unilaterally invaded that country lies your unmistakable glee at the destruction Russia has rained down on Ukraine.

You may not "hate" the Ukrainians, but what lies behind your seemingly steadfast loyalty to Putin's Russia? Why do your innate loyalties lie with Russia? Is Russia simply your home team, or adopted home team? Why does your heart lie with Russia?

I sincerely want to know, all judgement aside.


Typical argument that a John Bolton or Nikki Haley would make:

‘If you support a peace agreement, you must be a Kremlin asset!’

Or another classic:

‘If a peace agreement is made, that will just give Russia more time to regroup and rearm!’

How about planning your next vacation to Kiev and next time there is a protest, go ask those women if it was worth it to lose their husbands just so they can ‘weaken Russia’.

Like I said, easy to cheerlead for more death and destruction from the sidelines.
 

fskimospy

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Typical argument that a John Bolton or Nikki Haley would make:

‘If you support a peace agreement, you must be a Kremlin asset!’

Or another classic:

‘If a peace agreement is made, that will just give Russia more time to regroup and rearm!’

How about planning your next vacation to Kiev and next time there is a protest, go ask those women if it was worth it to lose their husbands just so they can ‘weaken Russia’.

Like I said, easy to cheerlead for more death and destruction from the sidelines.
lol - he’s back to pretending to love peace!

Hahaha. Fantastic.
 

fskimospy

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You would know best how easy that is considering it’s all you do here. Every small Russian victory you’re in here jerking off to it.
It’s funny to see him bloodthirstily celebrating Ukrainian casualties in one post and then claiming he just wants to save Ukrainian lives in another as if we wouldn’t notice that.

Although like we were discussing earlier this is a well known feature of Russian propaganda - no interest in consistency whatsoever.

When he claims to value Ukrainian lives he’s lying, he knows he’s lying, and he knows we know he’s lying. It doesn’t matter though because the truth is of no importance.
 
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Typical argument that a John Bolton or Nikki Haley would make:

‘If you support a peace agreement, you must be a Kremlin asset!’

Or another classic:

‘If a peace agreement is made, that will just give Russia more time to regroup and rearm!’

How about planning your next vacation to Kiev and next time there is a protest, go ask those women if it was worth it to lose their husbands just so they can ‘weaken Russia’.

Like I said, easy to cheerlead for more death and destruction from the sidelines.
You have completely evaded my quite direct question to you. Nevertheless, your response says volumes about who you really are.
 
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Young Grasshopper meets P&N weedwhacker, gets mauled, hops forward anyway right into the blades of a lawnmower. Now drags himself forward with one leg and a hopper left and sees a spiked aerator drum rolling directly in his path and gets crushed and spiked. Has one leg left to maneuver round and round in a circle and sees an insecticide sprayer nozzle headed his way. What will he do, what will he ever do? Holds his breath, and repeatedly blinks morse code how Russia is the victim of Western hegemony so it must defend itself by invading neighboring nations while realizing that the whole process is coming back around from behind. Best job any Russian propagandiski worth his mandibles ever had, da? Nyet? lol
 

zinfamous

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Looks like Western media is running a campaign to tell the story. Of Ukraine's loss in the war of attrition.
  1. Ukraine NOT winning war, claims top Zelensky aide...
  2. Commanders refuse orders to advance...
  3. Russian Suicide Drone Blunting Counteroffensive...
But what really tops the cake, is NBC.

U.S., European officials broach topic of peace negotiations with Ukraine, sources say

That so called peace is a ploy of our enemy. Where we likely abandon Ukraine "post-war" and allow Russia to rearm and regroup. Where next time, at Russia's choosing, we would be lucky if they are stopped at the Dnipro. It is a policy for rewarding theft of land, and a policy for taking more land. More Genocide later. To the victor go the spoils.

Is that really our policy?
Is that what we are pushing to achieve?
A world where nuclear weapon is the only security.

If we do not bleed Russia here and now, if Russia does not lose its gains, there will be far more blood later. Far more.

whatever story thy need to sell to keep the money and weapons flowing into Ukraine is fine by me. Also interesting to see such claims, which run quite counter to the evidence on the ground, coming out more and more after Israel accelerates its genocidal goals. I think Ukraine wants to make sure the west isn't distracted with these two wars, and good for them.

Frankly, The US shouldn't send any additional cash or systems to Israel. They have way way well more than they could ever possibly need to keep their genocide going. I don't mind keeping strike groups in the area as a means of keeping the outside players away, but I have no tolerance for further direct support of Israel, to be honest. They've been well enough on their own support, plus it's not like Netanhyaho and those fascists in charge have ever had any respect for the gifts the US endlessly gives them. All they do is shit on the west and keep begging for support. Fuck them, tbh.

Focus on Ukraine and wipe out every last mention of "Russia" if necessary, so long as that seems what Putin really wants to do. Let's help him to realize that goal.