Rumor: Trump will fire Mueller in 5 days

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Rumor is he has prepared a bigly speech for this. Who here thinks congress will do anything about it if he does? Anyone?


http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...say-trump-could-fire-mueller-before-christmas

Rep. Jackie Speier (D-Calif.) said Friday that "rumors" on Capitol Hill suggest President Trump could fire special counsel Robert Mueller before Christmas, after Congress leaves Washington for the winter recess.

“The rumor on the Hill when I left yesterday was that the president was going to make a significant speech at the end of next week. And on Dec. 22, when we are out of D.C., he was going to fire Robert Mueller," Speier told California's KQED News.

Speier, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, said that Trump was trying to shut down the committee's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election, pointing to the lack of interviews scheduled for the new year.



The New York Times reported Friday that the committee is scheduling its final witnesses of the year to testify in New York, despite important votes coming up in Washington, D.C., and confirmed no additional witnesses are scheduled yet in 2018.

"We can read between the lines I think," Speier said. "I believe this president wants all of this shut down. He wants to shut down these investigations, and he wants to fire special counsel Mueller."

The ranking Democrat on the committee, Rep. Adam Schiff (Calif.), also said Friday that he is worried that Republicans leading the committee are seeking to shut down the committee's investigation by the end of the year.

"Republicans have scheduled no witnesses after next Friday and none in 2017 [sic]. We have dozens of outstanding witnesses on key aspects of our investigation that they refuse to contact and many document requests they continue to sit on," he tweeted Friday.

The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Rumors that Trump could fire Mueller have swirled since Mueller's appointment in May.

"There is no intention or plan to make any changes in regards to the special counsel," White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in October.
 

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Trump's counsel has denied that this will happen. Mind you, Trump's counsel is far from trustworthy, so we'll have to see.
 

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Trump's counsel has denied that this will happen. Mind you, Trump's counsel is far from trustworthy, so we'll have to see.

Considering Rosenstein is the one who would need to fire him and he just said the other day he has no cause to do so this seems unlikely unless Trump is going to be firing him too.
 

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Fake news, even though the president can legally do this.

No, not fake news, just a rumor. There's an important distinction between the two. You can accurately report someone's untrue rumors. (Note: this isn't to say the rumor is definitively untrue, just that the news isn't fake simply because it reports what someone says.)
 
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Fake news, even though the president can legally do this.


First - your master and owner - T-Rump - loves you and your 'fake news' comment. Good boy...good boy. Oh, and it's just a rumor, not a fact at this point. The article states as such.

As for legally, not directly can T-Rump fire Mueller:

http://www.factcheck.org/2017/06/can-trump-fire-mueller/

IMO, unless T-Rump and company are guilty of something, it would be a disaster to fire Mueller. It would pump up his hard core base (like Felix) but would cast a Nixonesque light around T-Rump, not that he would care most likely. I don't think he would be impeached as I don't think the current GOP CONgress would touch him for this, as they want Mueller gone too.
 
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I'm going to be cynical and say that Trump definitely won't be impeached before he signs the new tax bill. That would create too much calamity, and GOP needs that tax bill to please their donors. However, it is possible that GOP will decide to cut their losses and ditch Trump in an effort to save their seats in 2018, but they need the tax bill signed first.
 

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I'm going to be cynical and say that Trump definitely won't be impeached before he signs the new tax bill. That would create too much calamity, and GOP needs that tax bill to please their donors. However, it is possible that GOP will decide to cut their losses and ditch Trump in an effort to save their seats in 2018, but they need the tax bill signed first.

It will be passed and signed before CONgress goes out of town on holiday break. I still don't think they will impeach him. They'll scold him a little and then back down like they always do (see Mitch McConnel's view on Roy Moore for example).
 

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There's not much else Trump can do to stop Mueller from zeroing in on him and sharing with the world what Trump has been up to with regard to his dealings with Putin and his oligarch buddies.

That Trump and his Repub controlled Congress are actively seeking Mueller's firing speaks volumes to Trump's guilt and the complicity of his Congress. They obviously don't want the facts to be discovered and present themselves as Mueller was originally tasked to do.

This move by Trump and his fellow Repubs is a dark and ominous stain on the due process of government.

From the way Trump and his Repubs are behaving, I'm wondering if Mueller's dragnet has now caught a few Repubs in Congress as by catch.
 

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It will be passed and signed before CONgress goes out of town on holiday break. I still don't think they will impeach him. They'll scold him a little and then back down like they always do (see Mitch McConnel's view on Roy Moore for example).
You very well may be right. Republicans are stuck between rock and the hard place. On one hand Trump base is still loving Trump, but on the other hand Trump has proved himself to be incredibly toxic in the recent special elections. Currently republicans are still doubling down on Trump (and Trump like candidates such as Moore), but there may come a point when it will no longer be politically advantageous to do it.
 

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Considering Rosenstein is the one who would need to fire him and he just said the other day he has no cause to do so this seems unlikely unless Trump is going to be firing him too.

He has other options like an executive order that lets him name his own AG or just by declaring himself able to.

Donnie and Putin have spoken a few times in the last few days. Jared is hiring a crisis management firm. Trump's lawyers are meeting with Mueller to demand the exoneration of Donnie and putting up BS to muddy the waters.
 

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Mueller is going to step down. What's up in the air is how he's going to spin it in an attempt to save his reputation. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Mueller has been running not just a sloppy investigation (mega-leaks) he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.

Now, the leftist media will absolutely spin his stepping down as him being fired. I'm certain of that. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the leftist media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.
 

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Mueller is going to step down. What's up in the air is how he's going to spin it in an attempt to save his reputation. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Mueller has been running not just a sloppy investigation (mega-leaks) he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.

Now, the leftist media will absolutely spin his stepping down as him being fired. I'm certain of that. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the leftist media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Getting out of the partisan media bubble sounds like an excellent suggestion for someone here, haha.

Sometimes I wonder if you are a parody poster designed to make conservatives look like insane hypocrites. If so, you’re doing a good job.
 

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Mueller is going to step down. What's up in the air is how he's going to spin it in an attempt to save his reputation. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Mueller has been running not just a sloppy investigation (mega-leaks) he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.

Now, the leftist media will absolutely spin his stepping down as him being fired. I'm certain of that. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the leftist media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

LOL, such an easy mark. I need to start a right wing nutjob blog to draw in fools like this and rake in mountains of ad revenue, because there are apparently a whole lot of rubes willing to lick this garbage up.

Pro tip: Mueller ain't stepping down.
 
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LOL, such an easy mark. I need to start a right wing nutjob blog to draw in fools like this and rake in mountains of ad revenue, because there are apparently a whole lot of rubes willing to lick this garbage up.

Pro tip: Mueller ain't stepping down.

It reminds me of those Macedonian guys making up fake news stories during the 2016 election. They said they tried making fake stories that would appeal to liberals but it never worked particularly well. Conservatives on the other hand would believe absolutely anything. Just the world’s easiest marks.
 

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Mueller is going to step down. What's up in the air is how he's going to spin it in an attempt to save his reputation. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Mueller has been running not just a sloppy investigation (mega-leaks) he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.

Now, the leftist media will absolutely spin his stepping down as him being fired. I'm certain of that. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the leftist media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.
Lol. 2 guilty pleas already. Two in the bank still to come and the noose tightening. Time to step down because the investigation has been sloppy and fruitless.

The real proof the Mueller had nothing would be if there was no news. No news is good news if you're a president. However every week it's something.
 

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he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.
Of course a couple of the FBI agents involved with the investigation happening to be Democrats and not Republicans should not be unusual (Mueller by the way has a long history as a Republican), and a couple of agents having strong private political views is not unusual and generally not seen as a problem for FBI investigations. In this case Mueller was extra careful by assigning those agents elsewhere when a possible concern in this area showed up, although the evidence the two agents were having an affair may have been viewed as a general unnecessary complication if they kept involved with the investigation.

The second claim clearly has massive problems with it, and it appears at best to be a case of the Trump admin misunderstanding what the GSA told them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9728984779c_story.html?utm_term=.3243e1bdbf46

(So far the Trump administration is not acting in a way which suggests they actually believe their position in relation in the emails is actually legitimate.)
 

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Of course a couple of the FBI agents involved with the investigation happening to be Democrats and not Republicans should not be unusual (Mueller by the way has a long history as a Republican), and a couple of agents having strong private political views is not unusual and generally not seen as a problem for FBI investigations. In this case Mueller was extra careful by assigning those agents elsewhere when a possible concern in this area showed up, although the evidence the two agents were having an affair may have been viewed as a general unnecessary complication if they kept involved with the investigation.

The second claim clearly has massive problems with it, and it appears at best to be a case of the Trump admin misunderstanding what the GSA told them.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...9728984779c_story.html?utm_term=.3243e1bdbf46

(So far the Trump administration is not acting in a way which suggests they actually believe their position in relation in the emails is actually legitimate.)

The Republican response to this investigation is descending into panic and hysteria at this point. They are throwing everything they can think of at Mueller in a desperate attempt to discredit him because it seems like they think what he’s going to find will be really bad.
 

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Mueller is going to step down. What's up in the air is how he's going to spin it in an attempt to save his reputation. He shouldn't be allowed to step down because he should be fired but the swamp is still too active so he'll have the option of a soft landing. Mueller has been running not just a sloppy investigation (mega-leaks) he assembled a team of highly biased individuals and it appears he may now have broken the law through his acquisition of documents and emails from Trumps transition team.

Now, the leftist media will absolutely spin his stepping down as him being fired. I'm certain of that. I'm also certain that far too many will gobble that up without a second thought. But before you take to the streets with the pitchforks and torches (j/k you'd have to get out from behind your keyboard for that) you might consider trying to get information outside of the leftist media bubble. Yeah, like that's gonna happen.

Trump's people are more likely to leak and having connections inside Mueller's office is possible. There is no illegality in accessing the emails as they are on government servers and accessible for an investigation. You have no basis in reality for making the statements you have regardless of partisanship. You've lost this one. You might want to get out of your bubble and look at the legalities involved.