Rumor: Intel to delay releasing Ivy Bridge

[Arachnotronic]

Well than I sugjest you look at servers to see if the extra did anything its server first enthusiast second .

Yeah. I mean, the Extreme stuff is just server stuff rebadged and cut down as necessary. The LGA 1155 is the real "desktop" stuff.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

So by your theory, anyone with a X58 currently is only for e-peen? Interesting. But no matter what term you apply to it, the Quad SB-E is going to beat the 2600K, and therefore we will have a new performance benchmark to compare with.

I didn't say that. If IRC 1156 came out almost a year after 1366 and many that jumped on it are still riding it to SB-E. This time around the situation is quite different. SB-E had better be damned impressive to warrant the cost over a SB build w/ the option to go IB later. And if that roadmap is correct it'll be a "limited unlocked" SB-E quad vs a 2600K. Hmm...

 

[Patrick Wolf]

It will exist. What evidence do you have that Intel wouldn't shrink their enthusiast line (which is really their UP server line) to 22nm?

The entire 1336 line didn't get a shrink. The 6 core variants launched with 32nm, but the quads were left in the dust. In essence, they only shrunk their extreme line. But like I said, things are quite different this time and a 22nm shrink across the board wouldn't surprise me.

The 2600 has more L3 cache, is clocked higher, and is hyper-threaded. There are definitely usage patterns (i.e. higher threaded ones) that show why the 2600 is performance premium and 2500 is mainstream. They just don't happen to be games.

Yes, but outside of a few specialized tasks it's not exactly night & day. Though I understand what you mean and Intel's logic in seperating the two.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Thank you for your clarification on BD, Edrick.



SB-E Quad at $350 sounds like a very good deal. Do you think that the lower of the two Hexs would come in around $600?

my guess

quad 330
hex 550
hex extreme 999

 

[pantsaregood]

Well than I sugjest you look at servers to see if the extra did anything its server first enthusiast second .

When comparing 1156 to 1366, it is pretty obvious that I'm comparing desktop single socket systems. Of course a multi-socket 1366 system is going to have advantages over a 1156 board.

The average desktop user (and even average gamer), however, saw no benefit from 1366 aside from earlier availability.

 

[bridito]

my guess

quad 330
hex 550
hex extreme 999

Then the lower end Hex is for me! I figure a decent 8 memory slot motherboard can't be much over $300 as I don't need overclocking features, so the combo will come in at well under $900. Then I'll also need 2 SSDs (Vertex 3 right now, but I'll bet by Q4 there will be more advanced versions out) and with a minimal video card ($100) and 8x4GB RAM ($400) I should be able to bring the entire system in at less than $2,000 which is at the top end of my budget but definitely doable. Let's see that computer become obsolete in less than two years!

Any other suggestions on the build, anything I'm missing, etc.?

 

[aigomorla]

Those arent the one's im waiting for.

I already have a 6C, in fact i have serveral 6C's.
Not SB-E tho.. but im done with hexies..

I want that 10C monster with 20meg cache!!!
And it has to be a black label, and not a blue label...

(man grunt)

The average desktop user (and even average gamer), however, saw no benefit from 1366 aside from earlier availability.

LOL i actually gained more by downgrading from a 12C -> 4C
The 12C was just too over powering for the job it did.
The 4C is more then enough.. and it uses 1/4 of the power on top.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Those arent the one's im waiting for.

I already have a 6C, in fact i have serveral 6C's.
Not SB-E tho.. but im done with hexies..

I want that 10C monster with 20meg cache!!!
And it has to be a black label, and not a blue label...

(man grunt)



LOL i actually gained more by downgrading from a 12C -> 4C
The 12C was just too over powering for the job it did.
The 4C is more then enough.. and it uses 1/4 of the power on top.

You just couldn't keep up with our nice looking Mod that sings like a bird. Own up to it . LOL

 

[Nemesis 1]

@ post 106 I haven't opened my mother board box yet . So when it comes to what I do with SSDs is dependent on how the Z68 cache works for SSDs If I can run the HDs in raid O I will likely use Raptures with the SSd as a cache. Not sure yet how that will work or if it does . I have a lot of work to do on my wifes lian li case. She foaming at the mouth to get my setup going . But I am more interested in getting her New system up and running . I have seen it perform on the workbench and were all really excited so that comes first. She just using 1 ssd. As soon as the case arrives from PC performance drop shipped It goes to paint. I still can't believe she gave 1 of my custom cases away tho it didn't stray to far from home

 

[Edrick]

I didn't say that. If IRC 1156 came out almost a year after 1366 and many that jumped on it are still riding it to SB-E. This time around the situation is quite different. SB-E had better be damned impressive to warrant the cost over a SB build w/ the option to go IB later. And if that roadmap is correct it'll be a "limited unlocked" SB-E quad vs a 2600K. Hmm...

1. No one really knows what "limited unlocked" means just yet. It could mean you can only OC using BLCK just like Nehalam. I could mean you can only OC using the multiplier. It could mean the multiplier is limited similar to non-K SB, but you can still use BLCK as well. We do not know.

2. We also do not know costs of SB-E. Everyone is worried about prices, but we do not know. Some people are speculating that the 4 core CPU will be on par with the 2600K. And I think it is safe to say the MBs will be more money (maybe $100 more). But when you look at what you get for that money, it seems like an easy decision. (32 lanes of PCIe 3.0, 10+ SATA 6GBs connections, quad channel memory, upgradable to 6 core, better OCing options, larger L3 cache, etc.)

I am just saying that the system as a whole will be much better than simply a faster CPU.

 

[Edrick]

The entire 1336 line didn't get a shrink. The 6 core variants launched with 32nm, but the quads were left in the dust. In essence, they only shrunk their extreme line. But like I said, things are quite different this time and a 22nm shrink across the board wouldn't surprise me.

The entire 1156 line didnt get a shrink either. Only the dual cores. So you can not go by what Intel did with 32nm as a guideline to what they will do with 22nm. I fully expect IB to be available on the 2011 platform in Q3/Q4 of next year.

Just imagine what Intel can do with 22nm without having an IGP in there. We are talking about super fast 6 core chips that run cooler and less expensive. And the introduction of 8 core (16 thread) chips.

 

[Arachnotronic]

The entire 1156 line didnt get a shrink either. Only the dual cores. So you can not go by what Intel did with 32nm as a guideline to what they will do with 22nm. I fully expect IB to be available on the 2011 platform in Q3/Q4 of next year.

Just imagine what Intel can do with 22nm without having an IGP in there. We are talking about super fast 6 core chips that run cooler and less expensive. And the introduction of 8 core (16 thread) chips.

Well, yeah. Just like SNB will be available in Q4 of 2011.

Also, I think we'll see more than 8 cores. SNB-E in the DP server stuff will have 8 cores, so I'm expecting 10-12 at least

 

[bridito]

@ post 109: My primary goal in getting 2 x SSDs is to have OS and apps on one and data on the other. Although I work with graphics files I rarely keep them so I have very limited data needs. A 250GB or so SSD would be more than enough for data and 64GB for boot drive. Has anyone seen a Patsburg motherboard yet? I'd love to see a pure single LGA2011 with 8 memory slots that isn't that loony Danshui Bay.

 

[Patrick Wolf]

No one really knows what "limited unlocked" means just yet. It could mean you can only OC using BLCK just like Nehalam. It could mean you can only OC using the multiplier. It could mean the multiplier is limited similar to non-K SB, but you can still use BLCK as well. We do not know.

True, but I'd bet anything it'll be the same as non-K SB. Why would they change their new OCing scheme for LGA2011.

 

[Edrick]

True, but I'd bet anything it'll be the same as non-K SB. Why would they change their new OCing scheme for LGA2011.

Well, I am fairly certain Intel confirmed that they will allow BLCK overlclocking on lga2011. And if it was not officially confirmed, it is one of the most agreed upon rumor going.

If that holds true, then "limited OC" will mean something different than it does currently with SB. I am looking forward to finding out myself, since that is the CPU I will most likely get.

 

[aigomorla]

True, but I'd bet anything it'll be the same as non-K SB. Why would they change their new OCing scheme for LGA2011.

so they can make more money off people like me and adamK. :whiste:

 

[JoJoman88]

so they can make more money off people like me and adamK. :whiste:

Is that not what they are supposed to do, make more money ?!?

 

[AdamK47]

I'd give them some now if they would just release it. I'm tired of waiting. SB-E should have been released before the mainstream SB.

 

[aigomorla]

I'd give them some now if they would just release it. I'm tired of waiting. SB-E should have been released before the mainstream SB.

agree'd

now u see why i had a fit when they did it the other way.

 

[podspi]

agree'd

now u see why i had a fit when they did it the other way.

It does seem backwards. It has appeared to me that Intel almost wants to piss enthusiasts off with their recent decisions. The 990X is much more expensive, but the 2600K chases it in most benchmarks, the original SB chipsets made you choose between OCing and video out...

It used to be that every time they would release something new, that would push old prices down. Now they target products for certain markets and price them that way, regardless of relative performance between products. I expect IB won't be as disconcerting as SB's launch was, because IB probably won't bring too much IPC to the table (SB-E should still be much faster) but dang...

 

[AtenRa]

Clock to clock (4 Cores + HT vs 4 Cores + HT) SB vs SB-E will not have more than 5% difference in performance.

SB-E will be an SB architecture with more cache and quad channel MC, so dont expect a lot more performance.

And like socket 1366 the new 2011 will be a 1% market share platform. I believe this time Intel will shrink SB-E down to 22nm in H2 2012 (After IB 1155).

 

[AtenRa]

SB-E should have been released before the mainstream SB.

Thats what pisses me off, as a power user and OC'er i still believe that platform 1366 is still superior to 1155 and Intel should of have released a 32nm quad core 1366 socket CPU along with Hex-core Gulftown or release a cheaper ($300-400) Hex-Core.

But in staid they released the 1155 and SB making a better platform (1366) obsolete in favor of a new socket. Thats why i was against the separation of the Sockets, now we are the minority.

On the other hand, less money gives you more performance than last year and this trend is going to be continue in the future.

 

[Arachnotronic]

Intel's lineup is such a mess...

 

[Idontcare]

Intel's lineup is such a mess...

I gave up trying to keep it straight when they went with the i7 and the market segmentation thereafter.

They have most certainly, and intentionally, made quite a muddle of their naming convention.

At this point they could start labeling processor SKU's by fruits "this is the pineapple cpu here, and this here is what we call the banana processor, oh and over here is the latest edition to the extreme lineup, aka the kiwi cpu".

Unfortunately it looks like AMD wants to play copy-cat. Without google and a lookup table I could not tell you the difference between two bobcat SKU's or two Llano SKU's.

Ah the marketing miracles of obfuscation. "Now with twice the throughput!"

 

[busydude]

Unfortunately it looks like AMD wants to play copy-cat. Without google and a lookup table I could not tell you the difference between two bobcat SKU's or two Llano SKU's.

It is sad really.. I thought AMD's Phenom and Athlon naming was better, but now it is confusing to say the least.. A6 and A8 are quad core.. while A4 are dual core CPU's.

Coming to intel.. my friend wanted to buy a laptop.. needless to say I suggested Intel straight away.. and I started searching for the CPU which suits his needs.. and I was dumb struck.. totally pathetic nomenclature. No clue what so ever.