Ron Paul 2012

[momeNt]

Maybe nobody votes for Ron Paul because he's a bad candidate with terrible ideas.

Nah, it's probably some great, nationwide human deficiency that keeps people from understanding why he's so amazing.

The reason the masses won't get out and vote for Paul is found in his 2006 speech on the end of the dollar hegemony.

http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=184&Itemid=60


excerpt below

But the truth is that paying the bills for this aggressive intervention is impossible the old fashioned way, with more taxes, more savings, and more production by the American people. Much of the expense of the Persian Gulf War in 1991 was shouldered by many of our willing allies. That’s not so today. Now, more than ever, the dollar hegemony-- it’s dominance as the world reserve currency-- is required to finance our huge war expenditures. This $2 trillion never-ending war must be paid for, one way or another. Dollar hegemony provides the vehicle to do just that.

For the most part the true victims aren’t aware of how they pay the bills. The license to create money out of thin air allows the bills to be paid through price inflation. American citizens, as well as average citizens of Japan, China, and other countries suffer from price inflation, which represents the “tax” that pays the bills for our military adventures. That is until the fraud is discovered, and the foreign producers decide not to take dollars nor hold them very long in payment for their goods. Everything possible is done to prevent the fraud of the monetary system from being exposed to the masses who suffer from it. If oil markets replace dollars with Euros, it would in time curtail our ability to continue to print, without restraint, the world’s reserve currency.

It is an unbelievable benefit to us to import valuable goods and export depreciating dollars. The exporting countries have become addicted to our purchases for their economic growth. This dependency makes them allies in continuing the fraud, and their participation keeps the dollar’s value artificially high. If this system were workable long term, American citizens would never have to work again. We too could enjoy “bread and circuses” just as the Romans did, but their gold finally ran out and the inability of Rome to continue to plunder conquered nations brought an end to her empire.

The same thing will happen to us if we don’t change our ways. Though we don’t occupy foreign countries to directly plunder, we nevertheless have spread our troops across 130 nations of the world. Our intense effort to spread our power in the oil-rich Middle East is not a coincidence. But unlike the old days, we don’t declare direct ownership of the natural resources-- we just insist that we can buy what we want and pay for it with our paper money. Any country that challenges our authority does so at great risk.

 

[soundforbjt]

The reason the masses won't get out and vote for Paul is found in his 2006 speech on the end of the dollar hegemony.

http://paul.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=184&Itemid=60


excerpt below

Yeah, I'm sure the "masses" have heard that speech.:\...I never have and I follow politics pretty closely.

 

[momeNt]

Yeah, I'm sure the "masses" have heard that speech.:\...I never have and I follow politics pretty closely.

The reason is contained in the speech, not because of the speech.

Bread and circuses, with dollar hegemony as opposed to imperial conquest.

 

[Lemon law]

I won't say Ron Who, because his views are well know. Nor will I say he does not have some appealing positions.

But at his core, Ron Paul is simply a libertarian nut, advocating a system of government that simply can't work in a modern industrialized society. There are some very good reasons, a libertarian style government has never even been tried in any culture advanced from hunter gatherers. Its more a utopian dream, very much like communism based on the idea that men will not abuse the system. And always on that spirit is willing but the flash is weak principle that the strong always abuse the weak, that in turn causes utopian schemes to always fail.

 

[fskimospy]

The reason is contained in the speech, not because of the speech.

Bread and circuses, with dollar hegemony as opposed to imperial conquest.

Yeah, once again it's a conspiracy to prevent our good friend Ron from getting into the presidency, not just that he has horrible ideas.

I'm not sure how much more simply to put it. His ideas are based on clown college economics, therefore nobody will take him seriously.

 

[sm625]

Maybe nobody votes for Ron Paul because he's a bad candidate with terrible ideas.

Nah, it's probably some great, nationwide human deficiency that keeps people from understanding why he's so amazing.

It is a human deficiency. In the simplest terms that's exactly what it is. You have entire multibillion dollar industries devoted solely for the purpose of conditioning people to accept absurdity. To discourage rational thought. There is no way anyone could seriously debate against Ron Paul's positions. It will always come down to some logical fallacy. "He's a nut." That is nothing more than an admission of defeat in debate. But people dont care about debate. They are just following through with what they are conditioned to do: accept greater and greater impoverishment without question. Accept Slavery Without Question.

 

[momeNt]

Yeah, once again it's a conspiracy to prevent our good friend Ron from getting into the presidency, not just that he has horrible ideas.

I'm not sure how much more simply to put it. His ideas are based on clown college economics, therefore nobody will take him seriously.

There probably was a few Roman economists that tried telling the emperor that their current trajectory can't be sustained either, but the people needed their bread and circuses. Presumably dissenters are dealt with a lot less violently than they were back then.

 

[fskimospy]

It is a human deficiency. In the simplest terms that's exactly what it is. You have entire multibillion dollar industries devoted solely for the purpose of conditioning people to accept absurdity. To discourage rational thought. There is no way anyone could seriously debate against Ron Paul's positions. It will always come down to some logical fallacy. "He's a nut." That is nothing more than an admission of defeat in debate. But people dont care about debate. They are just following through with what they are conditioned to do: accept greater and greater impoverishment without question. Accept Slavery Without Question.

This is some amazing brainwashing. You honestly think that no one is capable of seriously debating against Ron Paul's positions? You don't think there are any arguments out there against his loony commodity based currency ideas? Against his isolationism? Etc, etc.

Even the most cursory bit of education on the issue would show you that his positions have been debated at great length, and they lost.

 

[halik]

2008 Redux. Fringe candidate with no chance of getting the nomination, much less the presidency, spammed by a small group of annoying IT nerds with essentially no knowledge of economics, yet undying faith in the Mises institute.


Ron Paul has a 3.5% chace of getting the nomination, both Rick Perry and Herman Cain have better odds:
http://intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=669534

 

[bfdd]

It is a human deficiency. In the simplest terms that's exactly what it is. You have entire multibillion dollar industries devoted solely for the purpose of conditioning people to accept absurdity. To discourage rational thought. There is no way anyone could seriously debate against Ron Paul's positions. It will always come down to some logical fallacy. "He's a nut." That is nothing more than an admission of defeat in debate. But people dont care about debate. They are just following through with what they are conditioned to do: accept greater and greater impoverishment without question. Accept Slavery Without Question.

yup. sad. exactly like those occupy protesters carrying around their chains, you know their computers and smart phones.

 

[First]

It is a human deficiency. In the simplest terms that's exactly what it is. You have entire multibillion dollar industries devoted solely for the purpose of conditioning people to accept absurdity. To discourage rational thought. There is no way anyone could seriously debate against Ron Paul's positions. It will always come down to some logical fallacy. "He's a nut." That is nothing more than an admission of defeat in debate. But people dont care about debate. They are just following through with what they are conditioned to do: accept greater and greater impoverishment without question. Accept Slavery Without Question.

The problem is that Paul's "rational thought" amounts to verifiably false predictions, like the collapse of the U.S. dollar, world economy, et al:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6epCVUppjJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMe_7-hmHHY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgCq75g_M7Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCnzr566RR0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTljuxZYJ9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgK0vHZtwno
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c9G_XuIX_A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e9sPjflrxc

Since 1983 (and years before that) he has been claiming that the very crux of the financial system (fiat money supply, the Federal Reserve) should be abolished in favor of no Fed and gold-backed dollars using fixed exchange rates. So, how long did it take for Paul to get it right about the entire financial system collapsing? Never, though if this current crisis were to be it (it isn’t), it will have been decades.

Also, Ron Paul says global warming a hoax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_fkKf0PUlg
Ron Paul says Fed does favor for “friends”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l9UpptF5z4

 

[SandEagle]

Was this the guy elected in 2008? I swore we were told he was going to win then.

if there was an honest election and an objective media, then yes, Ron Paul would be sitting in the White House right now.

 

[xBiffx]

RP may have some outfield ideas but at least his has remained consistent and he doesn't resort to pandering to get support. Two reasons why I am going to check his name in the primary. Of course, I am a realist and I know its damn near impossible for him to win the nomination as has been the case for a while. I will be ready to check another name come the general election and you can bet its not going to be the current idiot in chief.

On the crazy issues, you have to remember that there is an entire separate branch of government to keep that in check. Just because he brings it up, doesn't mean its going to happen.

 

[SilthDraeth]

I will be voting for Dr. Paul.

 

[RU482]

I put his sign in my yard

 

[halik]

if there was an honest election and an objective media, then yes, Ron Paul would be sitting in the White House right now.

Serious denial.

 

[DrPizza]

Hasn't anyone ever taken economics courses in college? Even the simplest of courses is enough to know that while appealing, some of his ideas are just plain wrong.

 

[RampantAndroid]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep.../republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Thank goodness someone linked to RCP.

Online polls reach more people. Phone polls reach people who don't know how to use the internet.

And how do you control the dataset? Post it on Huffingtonpost and ALL candidates will lose to Obama by 90%. Post it on Foxnews.com and Obama will lose with only 1 state to his name. Give me a break.

 

[Generator]

Hasn't anyone ever taken economics courses in college? Even the simplest of courses is enough to know that while appealing, some of his ideas are just plain wrong.

Like money printing has consequences? Do yourself a favor and remove your head from your ass. How many other canidates have you heard from that predicted the debt ponzi schemes? I'll take Ron Paul's economics over hayseeeds like yourself and other clowns from the Republican funny farm. This status quo is a ponzi in itself. Ron Paul doesn't need to be President for the collaspse to take place. It will implode on itself as it has been doing since 2008.

This country is rife with cowards. Elect Romney then, it matters not. The bigger the fool the faster the reckonining. Until then enjoy your deflated wage and inflated food and gas until then!

 

[zanejohnson]

Dr Paul wont get the nom ..and if somehow the corruptiondid somehow let him in he'd be assassinated before he could be sworn in..its sad..but its true...America was hijacked ...or as of right now its being hijacked...alot more of it will be coming out the closer we get to the election

 

[zanejohnson]

Obama and Hillary are gonna be in the whitehouse. With biden as sec of state...but really its the neonazi Chene calling the shots....BRIC. is playing with currency because of this they can't stop the American war machine but they can shut us down economically and cause cival war...remember they know how those work..China ...and they know what causes them ...you divide a country politically on the basis of ideoligy and...well we saw China and Taiwan ...

 

[zanejohnson]

Really the rest of the world can tell we're showing signs of an early hitler Germany ...they wont allow it...they'll.tear us apart from the inside out before the let that happen again..

 

[JEDIYoda]

Really the rest of the world can tell we're showing signs of an early hitler Germany ...they wont allow it...they'll.tear us apart from the inside out before the let that happen again..

Your so full of it.......and if Obama and Biden were Republicans you would claim they were the greatest thing since sliced bread.

 

[ericlp]

I like some of his idea's like allowing the state to dictate if it want's prostitution of legalization of marijuana and other things. He wants the government to get out of REGULATING and release the power to the states. I AGREE ON THAT.

But I have a few problems...

1) the guy doesn't believe in evolution and lets not STOP there he doesn't even believe in evolution as a theory! Sheesh... Yeah I know...everyone has an opinion! But, what is he gonna take evolution completely out of the text books? I have a problem with this.

2) the guy is all for Abortion and believes that we TAX payers should pay for babies that are born prematurely... Even if the mother doesn't have health insurance and MOST mothers that have premature kids are on meth or crank or some other drug.

3) the guy just stated he would let an American die that didn't have health coverage... I just remind you he is a doctor... And I should bring up #2 again, he's gonna let an American adult die that was down on his/her luck for whatever reason... Yet we can go back to issue #2 and spend half million dollars on a baby that doesn't have health insurance due to drugs???????? Where the logic in this? Fuck the baby, let's help someone that's already educated and could be productive again in a few years.

4) he's against stem cell research...

5) he's whacked out on religious believes. Like Bush Jr. See where that got us?

6) I doubt he will make the cut to become the republican candidate for US president.

7) the two party system is fucked!

8) I'm voting third party!

 

[Siddhartha]

Since Mr Paul is retiring perhaps he should run on a third party ticket.

But what gets me about these Ron Paul threads is the absolute certainty of his supporters that the reasons he ranks low in the polls is because of media and "them" conspiracies and voter ignorance.

Is it possible the US voter does not want his Libertarian-lite solutions for running the country?