Romanian hacker Guccifer: I hacked Clinton's server, 'it was easy'

[Genx87]

I don't like the wall because ultimately it will cost a lot of money. And while may slow the flow, it wont stop it, and eventually people find a way around it. Fix immigration laws and the wall becomes less needed. I also have an uneasy feeling about building a wall around this country. With the way we are headed down the road to fascism. That wall may be used to keep us in at some point.

 

[thraashman]

Even if it is 20bn, the damage that illegals do to the education system alone is huge. Not to mention crime.

Relationships? Who gives a fuck. Mexico is a cesspool. And they would like nothing better than to drag the us down there also.

The walls recently built in Europe proved effective. The wall in Israel has been highly successful. Saudi is building a wall also.

Even 30bn is nothing.

Now you are trying to create false equivalence by tying this to the debt discussion. Your only argument is cost, whereas debt has fundamental differences.

[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/08/19/heres-what-donald-trump-gets-wrong-about-immigration/]More illegal immigration is coming from India and China than from Mexico

Mexico is preventing more central and southern American illegal immigration to the US than the US is. Thanks to US funding This last one is worth noting because if we build that wall, how much do you think Mexico is still going to cooperate in stopping the illegal immigrants before they even reach the US border?

Also, are you for destruction of wild life refuges, stealing of private property, and billions of dollars annually in maintenance that a wall would cost? Do you realize how massive our border is with Mexico and how logistically impossible the idea of a wall is?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

There is no fucking difference in wanting to keep somebody out thst shouldn't be there unless invited. Sovereignty of the nation (or your house) is paramount.

Saudi is building 600+miles.

And what about the continued cost of doing nothing?

Ohh, I forgot, hillbilly is so fucking smart that her solution is status quo. Cuz you know, that's worked so well for us the last two decades.

Liberal smugness never fails. You guys think you have all of the answers even as you are proven wrong.

Lay out the financials for building a wall, materials, time, etc. And then tell me it's economically feasible to do.
Show your work please.
I'll throw in this John Oliver segment on how utterly ridiculous of an idea it is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU8dCYocuyI

You can berate the messenger, but in no way can you berate the message
here's a small section, specifically on the costs, and some of the logistics

Though initially proposed to cost somewhere between $4 billion and $12 billion, Oliver calculated that a construction project of the mentioned materials "hardened concrete,” “rebar,” and "steel,” including labor and transportation, would be closer to $25 billion, not including maintenance costs. “It’s a big, dumb thing that only gets more expensive over time," and definitely won't be funded by Mexico. And due to a slew of existing laws, deciding the location of the wall is no easy task either.

But you and speedy won't watch it because, well, drumpf.

We cannot even keep our infrastructure in goodfair shape, and yet we're going to build a wall between Mexico and the US, and maintain it.

 

[LegendKiller]

[url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/08/19/heres-what-donald-trump-gets-wrong-about-immigration/]More illegal immigration is coming from India and China than from Mexico

Mexico is preventing more central and southern American illegal immigration to the US than the US is. Thanks to US funding This last one is worth noting because if we build that wall, how much do you think Mexico is still going to cooperate in stopping the illegal immigrants before they even reach the US border?

Also, are you for destruction of wild life refuges, stealing of private property, and billions of dollars annually in maintenance that a wall would cost? Do you realize how massive our border is with Mexico and how logistically impossible the idea of a wall is?

It had to be part of a multi part strategy. Immigration enforcement has been massively lazy, the Uniparty likes it that way.

Mexico has some of the tightest immigration laws in the world. If they have nowhere to go easily you think the he hey won't enforce them? They don't now because they know they can easily get to the us.

Wild life? Lol. Stealing? they will be paid. Not to mention most want it to fight crime.

I'd be fine ditching the idea of the wall provided we fine every employer of every illegal 50k per day per illegal and deported any criminal. Cut off all funds for sanctuary cities, cut off all driving, schooling, and social services. Cut off all remittances unless they are legal immigrants and bolster the border with seismic sensors and border guards to mitigate drug trafficking.

They come because they get jobs and access to free stuff. Cut that off and they will leave.

 

[thraashman]

But you and speedy won't watch it because, well, drumpf.

I tend to believe that LK and speedy watch only Michael Bay movies. It's their level of intellectual stimulation.

 

[K1052]

I don't like the wall because ultimately it will cost a lot of money. And while may slow the flow, it wont stop it, and eventually people find a way around it. Fix immigration laws and the wall becomes less needed. I also have an uneasy feeling about building a wall around this country. With the way we are headed down the road to fascism. That wall may be used to keep us in at some point.

Stabilizing Mexico would also be a lot better use of the time and probably a lot less money than any token physical protection anyway. The drug war is the first thing that needs to go.

 

[Genx87]

Stabilizing Mexico would also be a lot better use of the time and probably a lot less money than any token physical protection anyway. The drug war is the first thing that needs to go.

Agreed 1000%!

 

[LegendKiller]

Stabilizing Mexico would also be a lot better use of the time and probably a lot less money than any token physical protection anyway. The drug war is the first thing that needs to go.

What's your plan for that? Invasion? How about we ship more jobs there, that'll help.

 

[LegendKiller]

I tend to believe that LK and speedy watch only Michael Bay movies. It's their level of intellectual stimulation.

And tend to believe you just watch Michael Moore movies.

 

[thraashman]

This is a pretty good read especially for the number of just incorrect and stupid things I've seen posted in this thread about immigration (especially since this thread had nothing to do with that to begin with).
http://www.cracked.com/article_23872_6-dumb-myths-people-constantly-believe-about-immigration.html

 

[zinfamous]

And tend to believe you just watch Michael Moore movies.

Michael Bay and Michael Moore are both equally stupid. So, there.

 

[thraashman]

And tend to believe you just watch Michael Moore movies.

I'm sorry to disappoint you, but I've never even seen an entire Michael Moore "movie" (is it right to call his documentaries movies?). I watched most of Bowling for Columbine, but never finished it. I think I got Fahrenheit 9/11 at a closing Blockbuster for dirt cheap but never was in the mood to watch it, not even sure if I still have it. Don't know if I could even name another thing he's done. Something about healthcare and Cuba or something? I generally avoid documentaries because they always have agendas and aren't good sources of real information.

 

[K1052]

What's your plan for that? Invasion? How about we ship more jobs there, that'll help.

Ending the drug policy that's turned large parts of their country into low grade war zones would be a good place to start. Increased security and stability will further erode desire to emigrate.

 

[LegendKiller]

This is a pretty good read especially for the number of just incorrect and stupid things I've seen posted in this thread about immigration (especially since this thread had nothing to do with that to begin with).
http://www.cracked.com/article_23872_6-dumb-myths-people-constantly-believe-about-immigration.html

Love how that article constantly conflates immigrant statistics will illegals. Two different things.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump's wall = bunkers in Albania.

Trump's idea of massively expanded immigration police is a declaration of intimidation & harassment against citizen latinos. Basically forever. It's a declaration of civil war based on ethnicity in some cities, as well.

Only paranoid authoritarian bigots could like any part of it.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Still waiting to see how we can afford a wall on the US/Mexico border. And again, please show your work, let's just say it's going to cost $18B instead of the high mark of $25B (not including upkeep and personnel)

And please tell me why it's more important than updating our current highway/rail system. (which would provide 1000's of jobs if it was ever done)

 

[thraashman]

Still waiting to see how we can afford a wall on the US/Mexico border. And again, please show your work, let's just say it's going to cost $18B instead of the high mark of $25B (not including upkeep and personnel)

And please tell me why it's more important than updating our current highway/rail system. (which would provide 1000's of jobs if it was ever done)

Because a highway/rail system project wouldn't discriminate against hispanics and it's beyond obvious that instigating racial fear is the entire point of all this.

 

[soundforbjt]

Because a highway/rail system project wouldn't discriminate against hispanics and it's beyond obvious that instigating racial fear is the entire point of all this.

And with better highways, the illegals can just get here faster and safer...

 

[LegendKiller]

Still waiting to see how we can afford a wall on the US/Mexico border. And again, please show your work, let's just say it's going to cost $18B instead of the high mark of $25B (not including upkeep and personnel)

And please tell me why it's more important than updating our current highway/rail system. (which would provide 1000's of jobs if it was ever done)

How much do we spend on illegals per year?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

How much do we spend on illegals per year?

Not quite the answer I was looking for. Try again

 

[LegendKiller]

Not quite the answer I was looking for. Try again

Doesn't matter, the question is valid. How much?

 

[Moonbeam]

Keep swinging for the fences!

Hehe. I was going to say that if her server was able to be hacked by some Joe Schmoo, then she should be in prison for life. If they don't jail her for life I'm going to eat some worms and hit myself with a hammer.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Doesn't matter, the question is valid. How much?

You answer my question and I will answer yours. I asked first

 

[LegendKiller]

You answer my question and I will answer yours. I asked first

You want to know how we pay for it. I am asking how we already pay for it.

Stop paying a vastly greater amount of money for something else and you pay for it.

 

[blankslate]

To be fair...
This hacker could probably have hacked other Secretary of State's (or other public officials) private servers, as well as government maintained servers for those public officials.


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