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HomerJS

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Still waiting for a woman to claim an exemption for her fertilized egg and dare the tax courts to rule egg isn’t a person
 
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alien42

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Still waiting for a woman to claim an exemption for her fertilized egg and dare the tax courts to rule egg isn’t a person

Already the law in Georgia...

 

Ajay

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It's not a fucking heartbeat

I'm a bit confused by your comment. The heart is just a pump, this is how it forms. IIRC, some simple creatures never get past the first stage.

Week of pregnancyLevel of heart development
5th weekThe developing heart is made up of two tubes that have fused in the middle, creating a trunk with four tubes branching off.

The heart begins to beat, and it may be possible to detect it using vaginal ultrasound.
6th weekThe heart of the embryo has changed dramatically — the basic heart tube has looped, forming an S-shape and creating an area for the ventricles.
7th weekThe ventricles and atria of the heart begin to separate and develop.
8th weekThe valves between the atria and ventricles of the heart form.
9th and 10th weeksThe aorta and pulmonary vein form. By the 10th week, the fetal heart will have developed fully.
 

cytg111

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That is so fucking academic God is gonna bitch slap you right out the gates when that day comes. Access Denied.
 

sandorski

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I'm a bit confused by your comment. The heart is just a pump, this is how it forms. IIRC, some simple creatures never get past the first stage.

Week of pregnancyLevel of heart development
5th weekThe developing heart is made up of two tubes that have fused in the middle, creating a trunk with four tubes branching off.

The heart begins to beat, and it may be possible to detect it using vaginal ultrasound.
6th weekThe heart of the embryo has changed dramatically — the basic heart tube has looped, forming an S-shape and creating an area for the ventricles.
7th weekThe ventricles and atria of the heart begin to separate and develop.
8th weekThe valves between the atria and ventricles of the heart form.
9th and 10th weeksThe aorta and pulmonary vein form. By the 10th week, the fetal heart will have developed fully.

Just because they are the pre-condition of being a Heart that it is a Heart.
 

MrSquished

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I'm a bit confused by your comment. The heart is just a pump, this is how it forms. IIRC, some simple creatures never get past the first stage.

Week of pregnancyLevel of heart development
5th weekThe developing heart is made up of two tubes that have fused in the middle, creating a trunk with four tubes branching off.

The heart begins to beat, and it may be possible to detect it using vaginal ultrasound.
6th weekThe heart of the embryo has changed dramatically — the basic heart tube has looped, forming an S-shape and creating an area for the ventricles.
7th weekThe ventricles and atria of the heart begin to separate and develop.
8th weekThe valves between the atria and ventricles of the heart form.
9th and 10th weeksThe aorta and pulmonary vein form. By the 10th week, the fetal heart will have developed fully.
It's not a heartbeat. When people think of hearts they think of the muscle that we have. The heartbeat sound does not even exist in a fetus at that age, It's just a loose group of electrical cells firing and the machine makes a fake heartbeat noise in sync with them.

If you can't understand how misleading that is then I don't know what to tell you.
 
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Basically as expected making abortion illegal didn't eliminate the practice, it's simply driven it underground.
Since we won the war on drugs this should be a piece of cake.

Here’s the thing and I am not anti-choice.
The voters do not appear to be all fired up about this. Couple of months ago yes, as of now it appears that has passed. Far, far, far too much political capital has been spent on this over the decades. Time to start evaluating if it is worth it to continue spending capital on it.
 

K1052

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Here’s the thing and I am not anti-choice.
The voters do not appear to be all fired up about this. Couple of months ago yes, as of now it appears that has passed. Far, far, far too much political capital has been spent on this over the decades. Time to start evaluating if it is worth it to continue spending capital on it.

Abortion is a thing to talk to voters about, it is not the ONLY thing to talk to voters about. It's probably the reason the Republicans are forecast to only have a good election instead of a great one when historical trends favor the latter.
 
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Abortion is a thing to talk to voters about, it is not the ONLY thing to talk to voters about. It's probably the reason the Republicans are forecast to only have a good election instead of a great one when historical trends favor the latter.
We will see as of polling I heard last night the abortion issue rates very low among people who regularly vote.
 

uclaLabrat

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We will see as of polling I heard last night the abortion issue rates very low among people who regularly vote.
And thats where the gap in turnout lies...people who regularly vote are the baseline. The effect is going to be seen in new voters and low-propensity voters, and we'll see if voter models accurately account for them.
 

conehead433

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Georgia Governor Kemp apparently favors making it illegal to destroy stored embryos, thereby forcing the would be parent(s) to pay to indefinitely store the embryos or otherwise donate or sell them to someone who wishes to have a child. The insanity of government officials wanting to completely control reproductive rights in the USA apparently has no end.
 

SMOGZINN

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We will see as of polling I heard last night the abortion issue rates very low among people who regularly vote.
I agree, the question that the polls are not really answering is will this issue get people that don't normally vote out? It honestly does not look like it.

It is pretty much what I predicated would happen, and what I'm sure the GOP was counting on. People can only stay outraged for so long. Then they see a TikTok video of a cat driving a tractor or something and forget that they actually need to do something about what they were just outraged at. Instead they retweet memes on facebook about how outraged they are, feel good that they did something, and then having felt like they did their part they don't feel any need to vote when the times comes. All politicians are the same anyway, right? So it doesn't matter.
 
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GoPackGo

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I agree, the question that the polls are not really answering is will this issue get people that don't normally vote out? It honestly does not look like it.

It is pretty much what I predicated would happen, and what I'm sure the GOP was counting on. People can only stay outraged for so long. Then they see a TikTok video of a cat driving a tractor or something and forget that they actually need to do something about what they were just outraged at. Instead they retweet memes on facebook about how outraged they are, feel good that they did something, and then having felt like they did their part they don't feel any need to vote when the times comes. All politicians are the same anyway, right? So it doesn't matter.
Well, if that happens and women's lives turn into "A Handmaid's Tale" then so be it I guess, right?
 

eelw

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Here’s hoping Dems do pick up 2 senate seats to abolish the filibuster. Here’s hoping they maintain the razor thin house majority. Biden will get his bill to codify abortion at the federal level. He will ban assault rifles. Fix voting issues. Once MAGAtards heads explode, arrest all of them and any enablers in government when they attempt to overthrow the legally elected government. And 2024 will be orange monkey free.

Okay wishful thinking
 
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And thats where the gap in turnout lies...people who regularly vote are the baseline. The effect is going to be seen in new voters and low-propensity voters, and we'll see if voter models accurately account for them.
Will this drive those that don't regularly vote to vote?
We’re a few weeks away, we will see.
Simply put Ive heard this for decades X or Y group will have a HUGE turnout and change everything. Then polling doesn’t support that and next they simply don’t show up to vote, which is what I predict will happen.
 
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uclaLabrat

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Georgia Governor Kemp apparently favors making it illegal to destroy stored embryos, thereby forcing the would be parent(s) to pay to indefinitely store the embryos or otherwise donate or sell them to someone who wishes to have a child. The insanity of government officials wanting to completely control reproductive rights in the USA apparently has no end.

Dog caught the bus and doesnt know what to do, so it just doesnt let go.