News Roe v. Wade overturned

[hal2kilo]

None. Not one. Ending Row v. Wade is a win for Republicans every way. Even if people are pissed off at them about it they will simply say 'Democrats have had control of the entire government this entire time and did nothing to change it. All they needed to do was pass a law.' Yes it is more complicated than that, but you can't get complicated across in 30 second soundbites and 4 word headlines. And those headlines and soundbites are all that most people ever hear. Then having gotten past that they will hammer Democrats on the Economy. Republicans have been setting up that 'Democrats ruin the economy when in control' meme for decades. It is an easy message to drive home. People will come out in droves to vote out the Democrats that re ruining the economy. I expect every Democrat in an even slightly competitive race to lose.





I think Biden has completely given up on any agenda that requires Congress. He needs at least 50 votes to get anything done and only has 48 votes for even the most popular bills.
He is now focusing on things that the Executive Branch can do without Congress just to be able to say he accomplished something.

I can't believe how people are underestimating how this will get woman off of their asses to vote. Keep on keeping on.

 

[gothuevos]

I can't believe how people are underestimating how this will get woman off of their asses to vote. Keep on keeping on.

It's not moving the needle or changing hearts/minds. And turnout sucks in general, barely mustered 60% in 2020 for a major general election. It won't make a dent in a midterm in which the messaging will be to hammer Dems on the economy, crime, inflation and heck maybe even Afghanistan.

 

[theeedude]

Let Republicans ignore the topic and try to portray SCOTUS as the victim while we go convince the leaners on abortion rights to be firmly committed Democrat voters.

 

[uallas5]

But hey, we got to stay number 1 right?

Maternal Health in the United States – Maternal Health Task Force (mhtf.org)

The United States (U.S.) fares worse in preventing pregnancy-related deaths than most other developed nations.

US States With The Highest Infant Mortality Rates - WorldAtlas

Infant mortality rate is the comparison of the number of deaths of infants under the age of one year in a given year per 1,000 live births in the same year. This rate is often used as an indicator of the level of health in a country. The United States has an infant mortality rate of 6.1. Among the wealthy nations of the world, the United States lags in comparison.

States Urged to Reduce Pregnancy-Related Deaths | The Pew Charitable Trusts (pewtrusts.org)

The relatively high percentage of American women who die as a result of pregnancy, which exceeds that of other developed nations,....

Just think how much higher we can get once this kicks in, w00t!

USA! USA! USA!

 

[fskimospy]

None. Not one. Ending Row v. Wade is a win for Republicans every way. Even if people are pissed off at them about it they will simply say 'Democrats have had control of the entire government this entire time and did nothing to change it. All they needed to do was pass a law.' Yes it is more complicated than that, but you can't get complicated across in 30 second soundbites and 4 word headlines. And those headlines and soundbites are all that most people ever hear. Then having gotten past that they will hammer Democrats on the Economy. Republicans have been setting up that 'Democrats ruin the economy when in control' meme for decades. It is an easy message to drive home. People will come out in droves to vote out the Democrats that re ruining the economy. I expect every Democrat in an even slightly competitive race to lose.

That messaging is not going to work for Republicans.

This reminds me of how Republicans tried similar things with government shutdowns. The public doesn't know a lot and is generally low information. They absolutely know that Republicans are the 'ban abortion' party though, just like they know Republicans are the 'shut down the government' party. Now maybe the public will care more about inflation or whatever and so the Democrats will lose but it will not be because Republicans somehow convinced voters they weren't responsible for Roe being overturned.

 

[Fenixgoon]

But hey, we got to stay number 1 right?

Maternal Health in the United States – Maternal Health Task Force (mhtf.org)


US States With The Highest Infant Mortality Rates - WorldAtlas


States Urged to Reduce Pregnancy-Related Deaths | The Pew Charitable Trusts (pewtrusts.org)


Just think how much higher we can get once this kicks in, w00t!

USA! USA! USA!

we're #1!!

 

[eelw]

Who do you think would make a more benevolent overlord? The GOP or SkyNet?

Skynet was taking care of the subspecies. GOP is more Planet of the Apes

 

[alien42]

I like to point out the hypocrisy of all these total abortion ban Republicans who believe life starts at conception. I don't recall any of them saying a word about fertility clinics, even though they throw out millions of fertilized embryos every year, far more than are aborted. Are they really that ignorant or are they just liars?

 

[dank69]

I like to point out the hypocrisy of all these total abortion ban Republicans who believe life starts at conception. I don't recall any of them saying a word about fertility clinics, even though they throw out millions of fertilized embryos every year, far more than are aborted. Are they really that ignorant or are they just liars?

Yes

 

[gothuevos]

I like to point out the hypocrisy of all these total abortion ban Republicans who believe life starts at conception. I don't recall any of them saying a word about fertility clinics, even though they throw out millions of fertilized embryos every year, far more than are aborted. Are they really that ignorant or are they just liars?

Those states with the strictest laws will probs do away with such clinics/procedures.

 

[Roger Wilco]

None. Not one. Ending Row v. Wade is a win for Republicans every way. Even if people are pissed off at them about it they will simply say 'Democrats have had control of the entire government this entire time and did nothing to change it. All they needed to do was pass a law.' Yes it is more complicated than that, but you can't get complicated across in 30 second soundbites and 4 word headlines. And those headlines and soundbites are all that most people ever hear. Then having gotten past that they will hammer Democrats on the Economy. Republicans have been setting up that 'Democrats ruin the economy when in control' meme for decades. It is an easy message to drive home. People will come out in droves to vote out the Democrats that re ruining the economy. I expect every Democrat in an even slightly competitive race to lose.





I think Biden has completely given up on any agenda that requires Congress. He needs at least 50 votes to get anything done and only has 48 votes for even the most popular bills.
He is now focusing on things that the Executive Branch can do without Congress just to be able to say he accomplished something.

My limited intuition tells me otherwise. But I’m just another idiot on the internet.

A guy can hope.

 

[fskimospy]

I like to point out the hypocrisy of all these total abortion ban Republicans who believe life starts at conception. I don't recall any of them saying a word about fertility clinics, even though they throw out millions of fertilized embryos every year, far more than are aborted. Are they really that ignorant or are they just liars?

As I've said many times it's because nobody actually believes that life equivalent to a real human begins at conception. Some people SAY they do but they are either lying or they have deluded themselves into not thinking about it. If they did, they would immediately change their position because anyone who actually thinks that should probably be institutionalized.

 

[gothuevos]

My limited intuition tells me otherwise. But I’m just another idiot on the internet.

A guy can hope.

I could just as easily argue that reversing Roe will motivate just as many GOP voters to the polls in order to get in politicians that will work on state level bans. Whatever little Dem enthusiasm it riles up will probably be a wash.

 

[fskimospy]

I could just as easily argue that reversing Roe will motivate just as many GOP voters to the polls in order to get in politicians that will work on state level bans. Whatever little Dem enthusiasm it riles up will probably be a wash.

That's not really how these things work as people are loss averse. Just like losing $100 makes people significantly more unhappy than finding $100 makes them happy, losing rights makes people a lot angrier than policy gains. This is one of the reasons midterm elections often favor the party out of power - the people in power are generally getting what they want and while they want to remain in power getting what you want is not as motivating as having someone do stuff you dislike.

This is something Trump never understood and is probably the main reason for his defeat - he thought by mobilizing his base he would win but all his actions did was mobilize an even bigger and even more pissed off group of people against him.

Also in a simple math sense people who wanted Roe to stay outnumber people who wanted it to be overturned by about 2-1.

 

[gothuevos]

That's not really how these things work as people are loss averse. Just like losing $100 makes people significantly more unhappy than finding $100 makes them happy, losing rights makes people a lot angrier than policy gains. This is one of the reasons midterm elections often favor the party out of power - the people in power are generally getting what they want and while they want to remain in power getting what you want is not as motivating as having someone do stuff you dislike.

This is something Trump never understood and is probably the main reason for his defeat - he thought by mobilizing his base he would win but all his actions did was mobilize an even bigger and even more pissed off group of people against him.

Also in a simple math sense people who wanted Roe to stay outnumber people who wanted it to be overturned by about 2-1.

With all due respect (and I really do like your takes here), but this tweet makes me think of you:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522230003248898051

 

[Roger Wilco]

I could just as easily argue that reversing Roe will motivate just as many GOP voters to the polls in order to get in politicians that will work on state level bans. Whatever little Dem enthusiasm it riles up will probably be a wash.

The other aspect that I mentioned was hundreds of Americans are still dying every day from Covid. The majority of them are old, antivax, or both.

 

[fskimospy]

With all due respect (and I really do like your takes here), but this tweet makes me think of you:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1522230003248898051

I guess I don't really get that tweet or at least how it applies to me. While it's true I didn't think he would win the 2016 primary the belief was widespread that Trump would attempt to abuse his powers of office to remain in power and people were yelling for years that we had to prepare for the possibility that Trump might not leave if he lost. It's true people didn't predict the exact methods he would use but the fear that he would try something was all over the place. This tweet seems to be referring to some Republicans who kept assuring people Trump was a normal president who would abide by norms and I agree those people should be ignored as they are either lying or stupid.

Still though, loss aversion is a well understood phenomenon. People get angrier about losing stuff than they get happy about gaining stuff. It's logical to conclude that the most likely answer to the repeal of Roe is more Democratic votes. Republicans agree with me by the way, which is why they are almost entirely silent about the apparent success of one of their largest policy goals that they've been trying to accomplish for the last half century or so. If they thought abortion restrictions would give them an advantage they would be trumpeting their success!

 

[evident]

Yeah, basically Alioto and the other 4 toe-aligned in-justices are deciding that if it isn't specifically referenced as such in the Constitution, there's no protection for it and the states can do what they fuck-all want in terms of regulating it. Have at it, it's your goddamn state, the people living in it are yours to play with. Goddamn, I'm glad I'm in California, but NO, I DO NOT FEEL SAFE. Human rights? Dream on. Big Brother has his hands in your pockets and on your nuts!

(1) MeidasTouch.com on Twitter: "📺 NEW VIDEO Republicans have taken away your right to choose. Now take away their right to govern. #GOPHandmaidsTale https://t.co/uHZVjH5Qfh" / Twitter

This needs to be all over the TV... the same way that stupid ass trump defund the police ad was during the 2020 campaign.

 

[hal2kilo]

I guess I don't really get that tweet or at least how it applies to me. While it's true I didn't think he would win the 2016 primary the belief was widespread that Trump would attempt to abuse his powers of office to remain in power and people were yelling for years that we had to prepare for the possibility that Trump might not leave if he lost. It's true people didn't predict the exact methods he would use but the fear that he would try something was all over the place. This tweet seems to be referring to some Republicans who kept assuring people Trump was a normal president who would abide by norms and I agree those people should be ignored as they are either lying or stupid.

Still though, loss aversion is a well understood phenomenon. People get angrier about losing stuff than they get happy about gaining stuff. It's logical to conclude that the most likely answer to the repeal of Roe is more Democratic votes. Republicans agree with me by the way, which is why they are almost entirely silent about the apparent success of one of their largest policy goals that they've been trying to accomplish for the last half century or so. If they thought abortion restrictions would give them an advantage they would be trumpeting their success!

The silence is deafening.

 

[Wreckem]

Really looks like the GOP is about to go full bore to get most major civil rights cases undone.

Voters Rights already got gutted
Roe v Wade is about to get overturned
Plyler v Doe is about to be challenged by Texas
Some states have talked about Oberfell next
Essentially any opinion that GOP doesn’t like is about to be challenged. Under because SCOTUS was stolen and tilted hard right the liars on the bench will just rubber stamp the GOPs cases.

This is exactly why the Dems should have packed the courts. 70 years of progress is going to get undone.

 

[dainthomas]

Skynet would at least be consistent in its positions?

You'll get nuked regardless of race or gender identity.

I like to point out the hypocrisy of all these total abortion ban Republicans who believe life starts at conception. I don't recall any of them saying a word about fertility clinics, even though they throw out millions of fertilized embryos every year, far more than are aborted. Are they really that ignorant or are they just liars?

Did Republicans ask that pregnant women get the extra stimulus checks for their fetuses? Obviously not, because they don't really believe it.

 

[gothuevos]

I guess I don't really get that tweet or at least how it applies to me. While it's true I didn't think he would win the 2016 primary the belief was widespread that Trump would attempt to abuse his powers of office to remain in power and people were yelling for years that we had to prepare for the possibility that Trump might not leave if he lost. It's true people didn't predict the exact methods he would use but the fear that he would try something was all over the place. This tweet seems to be referring to some Republicans who kept assuring people Trump was a normal president who would abide by norms and I agree those people should be ignored as they are either lying or stupid.

Still though, loss aversion is a well understood phenomenon. People get angrier about losing stuff than they get happy about gaining stuff. It's logical to conclude that the most likely answer to the repeal of Roe is more Democratic votes. Republicans agree with me by the way, which is why they are almost entirely silent about the apparent success of one of their largest policy goals that they've been trying to accomplish for the last half century or so. If they thought abortion restrictions would give them an advantage they would be trumpeting their success!

They don't need to crow about it as they have a dozen other talking points to hammer the Dems on and to win. If it's truly a summer decision then the outrage will likely subside a bit by November, no doubt helped by the inept Dems and their continued lack of a messaging game even after SIX YEARS.

 

[e2dog32021]

They are just hastening the white minority they are trying so hard to prevent. No matter the law, white girls with means who get knocked up on 'accident' (or immaculately lol) will always be able to get an abortion. Poor black and latino girls not so much, these zealots don't have much of a brain clearly.

 

[nakedfrog]

As I've said many times it's because nobody actually believes that life equivalent to a real human begins at conception. Some people SAY they do but they are either lying or they have deluded themselves into not thinking about it. If they did, they would immediately change their position because anyone who actually thinks that should probably be institutionalized.

Yes, they do occasionally slip up and admit that it's really about making women have babies for being whores.
If you got raped you're probably a whore anyway.
Even if you're a kid. Shouldn't have been such a sexy kid.
Might die from your pregnancy? That's what you get, whore.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521528488423006210

 

[Fenixgoon]

Yes, they do occasionally slip up and admit that it's really about making women have babies for being whores.
If you got raped you're probably a whore anyway.
Even if you're a kid. Shouldn't have been such a sexy kid.
Might die from your pregnancy? That's what you get, whore.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1521528488423006210

And yet no stern words for the man responsible for said pregnancy