News Roe v. Wade overturned

[vi edit]

Isn't Oregon mostly a GOP shithole outside of Portland and Beaver Town?

By area sure. But it's not by numbers. And that's the same for any state now with a rural area. Was still +17 Biden in 2020.

Will be interesting to see what happens this year with governor election coming off of Covid, riots, homelessness and increasing gun violence.

 

[K1052]

I agree it would be nice to have the filibuster removed now, but the show would be on the other foot if the republicans take both houses in the midterms (which IMO is a foregone conclusion).

Whoever wins the majority should get to pass their agenda. If that agenda is full of horrifyingly unpopular things than they should be judged on that in the next election.

The GOP uses the courts as political insulation which we should stop.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree it would be nice to have the filibuster removed now, but the show would be on the other foot if the republicans take both houses in the midterms (which IMO is a foregone conclusion).

This is a commonly stated but entirely wrong idea. Republicans already eliminated the filibuster for legislation they care about - the filibuster essentially only binds Democrats.

 

[K1052]

By area sure. But it's not by numbers. And that's the same for any state now with a rural area. Was still +17 Biden in 2020.

Will be interesting to see what happens this year with governor election coming off of Covid, riots, homelessness and increasing gun violence.

The climb for Rs in purple/blue states trying to take over statewide office in the aftermath of Roe/Casey going bye is decidedly a lot steeper now.

 

[Zorba]

Then please explain to me how when one party controls that much and holds that much power over everyone's lives, how that can be overcome.

And please don't say "by voting" because that too, soon, will be useless.

Should we just balkanize?

The fact is, if Texas got rid of public education the state would collapse within a couple years. It would be impossible to hire for any professional job. Even many low level executives send their kids to public schools. The vast majority of republicans also send their kids to public schools.

 

[VW MAN]

That's a short sited solution. When the republican's are in charge again the court will be further packed, decisions will be reversed. That's not stable government.
The legislative branch is where the issue should be settled. Tossing it back to the states is an understandable ruling, but it's going to be a shit storm.

You voted for people who created this shit storm so fuck off with your "dems shouldn't do a thing because R's will only retaliate worse" bullshit.

 

[Muse]

While we're at it let's just abort (heh) the laws allowing mixed race marriages, let's repeal and nullify any same sex marriages, let's ban birth control of both chemical and physical apparatus, let's reschedule johnnies (condoms to you young people) as a "Drug" requiring your name and license # to be taken down, put any and all non-gender conforming people into a legal loop and mental hospitals against their will because hey religion doesn't agree with them either, and while we're at it, let's ban inter faith and inter ethnic marriages.

Parents should lose custody of any LGBT minors they look after, because for some reason the gop thinks this is child abuse. Any doctor who specializes in gender reassignment should be arrested and placed in jail indefinitely without trial, no, scratch that. Label them as domestic terrorists.


If Liberal states had any common sense they'd begin drafting obtuse laws that indirectly targeted right wingers under the guise of god.


If you've read this far and think I'm a GOP'er then you're an idiot. If you know I'm messing around, good for you. Personally, my opinion matters about fuck all to anyone else on this planet. I don't get to decide what others should do or what they can do, nor pass judgement. I've got enough annoying shit in my life before wanting to waste energy on total strangers. No idea what the fuck Republicans take to have that much energy and care about everyone's lives but theirs. Probably crack cocaine.


Edit: I don't remember, but are we allowed to curse?

Yeah, basically Alioto and the other 4 toe-aligned in-justices are deciding that if it isn't specifically referenced as such in the Constitution, there's no protection for it and the states can do what they fuck-all want in terms of regulating it. Have at it, it's your goddamn state, the people living in it are yours to play with. Goddamn, I'm glad I'm in California, but NO, I DO NOT FEEL SAFE. Human rights? Dream on. Big Brother has his hands in your pockets and on your nuts!

 

[IronWing]

Yeah, basically Alioto and the other 4 toe-aligned in-justices are deciding that if it isn't specifically referenced as such in the Constitution, there's no protection for it and the states can do what they fuck-all want in terms of regulating it. Have at it, it's your goddamn state, the people living in it are yours to play with. Goddamn, I'm glad I'm in California, but NO, I DO NOT FEEL SAFE.

Not quite. Alito also protects deep, traditional rights, you know, the rights of white guys to order the lives of others.

 

[Muse]

Not quite. Alito also protects deep, traditional rights, you know, the rights of white guys to order the lives of others.

He's an asshole, I can see it in his face.

 

[Pohemi]

Whoever wins the majority should get to pass their agenda. If that agenda is full of horrifyingly unpopular things than they should be judged on that in the next election.

I agree with this at face value...the only issue is, the GOP tossed face value out the window long ago.

They haven't been winning the majority in most elections, and yet they are still controlling most of the narrative federally and in many states, especially the battleground variety where Dems might win fed elections, but the state itself is deeply entrenched with GOP legislatures due to gerrymandering and other unethical 'tools'.

I also think that too many voters have been on the Susan Collins train for decades...being "very concerned" about actions of the GOP, but not actually voting against them because of social wedge issues (like abortion). And when this comes from the SCOTUS and not congress, what will voting matter, at least in the next 10 years or more?

Maybe we should stop appointing SCOTUS justices for life, and instead appoint them to an 8 or 10-yr term. Since they're appointed, it isn't like they would need to campaign for re-election. Keep the appointment process the same, just limit their term.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Maybe we should stop appointing SCOTUS justices for life, and instead appoint them to an 8 or 10-yr term. Since they're appointed, it isn't like they would need to campaign for re-election. Keep the appointment process the same, just limit their term.

I'd be good with this. Maybe we can roll a D10 at appointment day to determine their appointment length.

 

[gothuevos]

Who do you think would make a more benevolent overlord? The GOP or SkyNet?

 

[nakedfrog]

i think so. are you?

Great, let us know when you plan to start!

 

[SMOGZINN]

The fact is, if Texas got rid of public education the state would collapse within a couple years. It would be impossible to hire for any professional job. Even many low level executives send their kids to public schools. The vast majority of republicans also send their kids to public schools.

Texas (and other red states) don't want to get rid of public education, they want to be able to choose who they allow to get an education. That and make the government pay for the private education of rich kids.

They are unhappy with the current system they have set up where all the money goes to the schools in the more affluent mostly white suburbs, and the schools with mostly minorities get as little as they can get away with and want instead to just be able to deny education to the undesirables altogether.

 

[thilanliyan]

Who do you think would make a more benevolent overlord? The GOP or SkyNet?

Skynet would at least be consistent in its positions?

 

[hal2kilo]

I envision going up to LA for certain things. But will be more worth not living in a mosquito infested sauna for half the year.

Watch out for the cloudy and 65 degree weather nightmare.

 

[nOOky]

I agree with this at face value...the only issue is, the GOP tossed face value out the window long ago.

They haven't been winning the majority in most elections, and yet they are still controlling most of the narrative federally and in many states, especially the battleground variety where Dems might win fed elections, but the state itself is deeply entrenched with GOP legislatures due to gerrymandering and other unethical 'tools'.

I also think that too many voters have been on the Susan Collins train for decades...being "very concerned" about actions of the GOP, but not actually voting against them because of social wedge issues (like abortion). And when this comes from the SCOTUS and not congress, what will voting matter, at least in the next 10 years or more?

Maybe we should stop appointing SCOTUS justices for life, and instead appoint them to an 8 or 10-yr term. Since they're appointed, it isn't like they would need to campaign for re-election. Keep the appointment process the same, just limit their term.

Does anyone think Biden is spending too much time on the war in Ukraine at the expense of other important things that need attention here? If I were him I'd be fully aware the his free two years of controlling the government is nearing it's end, and shit needs to get done. I'd fire Garland immediately, and replace him with a partisan that would quickly enforce the current agenda. Just like Obama, he will spend the last two years of his term punching at a mirror, because he will be a lame duck that can hardly waddle. Executive orders need to be issued, Manchin and Sinema need to be kicked in the ass because even if they become alienated and turn Republican and block everything what is the difference really. All's that is happening with those two clowns now is that like a young man trying to get in a young girl's pants, Joe is just going to expend too much energy trying when he's going to be cock blocked anyway. Just hire a hooker

 

[hal2kilo]

Then please explain to me how when one party controls that much and holds that much power over everyone's lives, how that can be overcome.

And please don't say "by voting" because that too, soon, will be useless.

Should we just balkanize?

Have you got your CO tank ready?

 

[hal2kilo]

The only play is for the Democrats to delegitimize this court, which really only involves brining its actions and the implications of those actions to the attention of the broader public.

Republicans are petrified Americans might see the court as the political body that it is and start acting accordingly.

Biden should just EO everything to bog down the SCOTUS.

 

[gothuevos]

Have you got your CO tank ready?

A non-answer to our current predicament.

 

[hal2kilo]

By area sure. But it's not by numbers. And that's the same for any state now with a rural area. Was still +17 Biden in 2020.

Will be interesting to see what happens this year with governor election coming off of Covid, riots, homelessness and increasing gun violence.

Although not quite as extreme Washington state is in a similar situation.

 

[dank69]

Skynet would at least be consistent in its positions?

Nah, both the same: What is good for Skynet/GOP is good for everyone, no matter how many people have to die to keep it that way. The actual difference is Skynet would be much more competant.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I wonder how many in the GOP are now shitting bricks about midterms.

None. Not one. Ending Row v. Wade is a win for Republicans every way. Even if people are pissed off at them about it they will simply say 'Democrats have had control of the entire government this entire time and did nothing to change it. All they needed to do was pass a law.' Yes it is more complicated than that, but you can't get complicated across in 30 second soundbites and 4 word headlines. And those headlines and soundbites are all that most people ever hear. Then having gotten past that they will hammer Democrats on the Economy. Republicans have been setting up that 'Democrats ruin the economy when in control' meme for decades. It is an easy message to drive home. People will come out in droves to vote out the Democrats that re ruining the economy. I expect every Democrat in an even slightly competitive race to lose.

Does anyone think Biden is spending too much time on the war in Ukraine at the expense of other important things that need attention here?

I think Biden has completely given up on any agenda that requires Congress. He needs at least 50 votes to get anything done and only has 48 votes for even the most popular bills.
He is now focusing on things that the Executive Branch can do without Congress just to be able to say he accomplished something.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Does anyone think Biden is spending too much time on the war in Ukraine at the expense of other important things that need attention here?

Not really no. Biden can walk and chew gum at the same time, but right now the events in Ukraine are the largest existential threat we're experiencing, so that should carve out a large part of his attention (when relevant).

 

[Fenixgoon]

None. Not one. Ending Row v. Wade is a win for Republicans every way. Even if people are pissed off at them about it they will simply say 'Democrats have had control of the entire government this entire time and did nothing to change it. All they needed to do was pass a law.' Yes it is more complicated than that, but you can't get complicated across in 30 second soundbites and 4 word headlines. And those headlines and soundbites are all that most people ever hear. Then having gotten past that they will hammer Democrats on the Economy. Republicans have been setting up that 'Democrats ruin the economy when in control' meme for decades. It is an easy message to drive home. People will come out in droves to vote out the Democrats that re ruining the economy. I expect every Democrat in an even slightly competitive race to lose.





I think Biden has completely given up on any agenda that requires Congress. He needs at least 50 votes to get anything done and only has 48 votes for even the most popular bills.
He is now focusing on things that the Executive Branch can do without Congress just to be able to say he accomplished something.

Sadly you are probably right on both accounts