Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"

[Via]

You aren't understanding the problem. Matter cannot be created or destroyed and only certain chemical conversions are possible without fusion.

You need to read the book.

 

[-Slacker-]

"Impression?!" They spelled it out and DISCUSSED IT in no uncertain terms.

"Are" you sure ABOUT that?. I'd be convinced if I saw a clip of that scene.

 

[Via]

I find the outrage over the auto Doc to be the silly.

I don't sense "outrage" over that, it's just another in a long line of silly things that undermine whatever serious pretenses the movie had.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

"Are" you sure ABOUT that?. I'd be convinced if I saw a clip of that scene.

They have her checking out the body of the pilot from the first moment she looks at him.

 

[Skel]

no... it would have to be something like atmospheric chemotrophism. Pretty difficult (borderline impossible) to do, especially in that short of a time frame, and without a massive (megawatts) power source.

This always amuses me when I hear/read/watch people debate the science in Science Fiction movies. Even if you take out the fact that it’s got fiction in the name, all Science Fiction plays on the idea that humans only know a very small percentage of the universal laws, and some of what we do know, could in fact be wrong. Aliens could have a completely different idea on how the universe works and appear to play by a different set of rules. Our map is not the territory as it were. Of course this does nothing for when someone hates a movie so much they need to pick it completely apart in order to sway the people that liked it, or half the posts in this 500+ post thread.

 

[brainhulk]

My theory:

Predators were pwning the engineers. To combat the predators, the engineers genetically "engineered" (lol) the aliens to combat the predators. They needed hosts to grow the aliens, thus planting earth with humans. Their experiment goes out of control before they ever reach earth to cultivate aliens

Wadduya guys think?

 

[SsupernovaE]

My theory:

Predators were pwning the engineers. To combat the predators, the engineers genetically "engineered" (lol) the aliens to combat the predators. They needed hosts to grow the aliens, thus planting earth with humans. Their experiment goes out of control before they ever reach earth to cultivate aliens

Wadduya guys think?

I think that's already been done in the comics.

 

[torpid]

A question for those who disliked Prometheus: What are, in your opinions, the best sci-fi movies of the last 5 years?

There haven't been a lot of good ones. WALL-E, Moon, Inception are all I can think of. Prometheus would not be on the list for me.

The 5 years preceding that had a plethora of amazing science fiction.

 

[Via]

I enjoyed Pandorum WAY more than Prometheus.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

So then, we can ALL AGREE, Prometheus is the most disappointing movie of the last 20 years, and one of the worst sci-fi movies ever made.

 

[sigurros81]

So then, we can ALL AGREE, Prometheus is the most disappointing movie of the last 20 years, and one of the worst sci-fi movies ever made.

I enjoyed it more than Avatar, and obviously better than the new shitty star wars.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

My theory:

Predators were pwning the engineers. To combat the predators, the engineers genetically "engineered" (lol) the aliens to combat the predators. They needed hosts to grow the aliens, thus planting earth with humans. Their experiment goes out of control before they ever reach earth to cultivate aliens

Wadduya guys think?

So then, we can ALL AGREE, Prometheus is the most disappointing movie of the last 20 years, and one of the worst sci-fi movies ever made.

No, it was a failed attempt at a good thought-provoking sci-fi mixed with a would-be successful attempt at an atmospheric horror.

Lendlof re-wrote a good horror film into chariots-of-the-Gods meets Cthulhu and created an epic-fail.

Still better than fucking racist, lowest-common-denominator, 100% shit, transformers.

 

[torpid]

So then, we can ALL AGREE, Prometheus is the most disappointing movie of the last 20 years, and one of the worst sci-fi movies ever made.

No; if anything, Avatar is that movie.

 

[Ns1]

I enjoyed it more than Avatar, and obviously better than the new shitty star wars.

this.

prometheus was waaaaaaaaay better than avatar for me.

 

[Skel]

So then, we can ALL AGREE, Prometheus is the most disappointing movie of the last 20 years, and one of the worst sci-fi movies ever made.

It's not even the worst in the Alien universe, let alone one of the worst sci-fi movies ever made.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

It's not even the worst in the Alien universe, let alone one of the worst sci-fi movies ever made.

fact.
Nor is it the worst ridley scott movie.
Hell it's not even Lindelof's worst cluster-fuck, that was Cowboys & Aliens .

 

[PingSpike]

So we watched this movie over the weekend.

The good: Great production values, an eerily great performance by Fassbender, Noomi Rapace's legs, interesting premise.

The bad: The whole screenplay. I accepted that somehow the 'alien' DNA did guided evolution even though that makes little sense, but after that the logical inconsistencies and character fuckups piled up at an alarming rate. I was mildly annoyed at them while watching it but somehow they start to drive me more and more nuts the more I think about the movie.

I didn't realize that the writer was the guy from Lost until I read this thread, but it makes perfect sense. It has his ADHD stink all over it. Its just like that stupid fucking show isn't it? All these interesting little tidbits crop up and you think they're all going to come together or at least go somewhere but they all just end up stunted and pointless. At first you think, this is pretty cool, where are they going with this though? And the answer is: They have no better idea than you do.

The movie posits a bunch of questions and gives at most a few nonsensical answers that are in effect questions or just distractions. What questions did the movie actually answer? None, because just like in Lost the writer never had a destination in mind to begin with. Even the origin of the Alien was half done, was not explained and actually bolted on in the epilogue like it was an afterthought!

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Good! So we all agree. Perfect.

/thread

 

[CZroe]

I didn't know the word for it, but I had read about epigenetics over the years and, during the movie, put together a theory that the fragmented engineer DNA was engineered to eventually come together again to make humans through epigentics and viral transduction. The fact that I already considered the super-adaptable alien a sort of WMD designed to be compatible and adaptable to all species made this an easier conclusion to jump to. The technology is shown in this film in a less adapted state and also as a life-seeding technology (clearly still based on their "viral DNA liquid goo" tech).

The genes for humans were always there, but divided across many organisms and eventually recombined by viruses and reactivated by mutation and epigenetics.

no... it would have to be something like atmospheric chemotrophism. Pretty difficult (borderline impossible) to do, especially in that short of a time frame, and without a massive (megawatts) power source.

Isn't that what I said?

To convert atmospheric compounds into solid matter, it would either need to filter/process suspended solids at the speed of a jet engine (certainly not happening) or it would need to convert matter (fusion). When I say "cellular fusion," I don't mean the term "cell fusion." I mean nuclear fusion on a cellular level. Fusion *IS* a "massive power source."

 

[ImpulsE69]

My theory:

Predators were pwning the engineers. To combat the predators, the engineers genetically "engineered" (lol) the aliens to combat the predators. They needed hosts to grow the aliens, thus planting earth with humans. Their experiment goes out of control before they ever reach earth to cultivate aliens

Wadduya guys think?

I sense AvP3: ProtoWars coming....

 

[ImpulsE69]

There haven't been a lot of good ones. WALL-E, Moon, Inception are all I can think of. Prometheus would not be on the list for me.

The 5 years preceding that had a plethora of amazing science fiction.

It's a difference of opinion. I liked WALL-E (but do not consider it Scifi at all), and Moon, but hated Inception.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

It's a difference of opinion. I liked WALL-E (but do not consider it Scifi at all), and Moon, but hated Inception.

Wow... I'm not going to call you stupid:

But I am going inform you that you made two statements that make you look stupid. The first being you're factually incorrect statement about wall-e, the second being that (without further support) you hated a movie that is hated, mostly, by people with particularly little ability to reason cognitively.

If you've got an interesting exegesis of either scrip to support what you say you will stop looking stupid (and be quite an asset to the conversation that's evolved in this thread surrounding sci-fi); otherwise you's just trolln'.

 

[ixelion]

Wow... I'm not going to call you stupid:

But I am going inform you that you made two statements that make you look stupid. The first being your factually incorrect statement about wall-e, the second being that (without further support) you hated a movie that is hated, mostly, by people with particularly little ability to reason cognitively.

If you've got an interesting exegesis of either scrip to support what you say you will stop looking stupid (and be quite an asset to the conversation that's evolved in this thread surrounding sci-fi); otherwise you's just trolln'.

my god this is a stupid post

 

[Gibsons]

Isn't that what I said?

No. You said cellular fusion. Which means combining two cells to make one cell.

What I described is chemical synthesis using atmospheric gasses as raw material, much like photosynthesis.

To convert atmospheric compounds into solid matter, it would either need to filter/process suspended solids at the speed of a jet engine (certainly not happening) or it would need to convert matter (fusion). When I say "cellular fusion," I don't mean the term "cell fusion." I mean nuclear fusion on a cellular level. Fusion *IS* a "massive power source."

And that would require temperatures in the gazillions, and render the aliens extremely radioactive and no way could they be a DNA based life form.

You know, we're really thinking about this too much.

Maybe it just... grows.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

my god this is a stupid post

I said someone should support their factually incorrect point and you disagree with the request; Glad to have a well thought-out counter point ;-).

You know, we're really thinking about this too much.

Or not enough?

Spoiler

no, its way too much