Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"

[William Gaatjes]

Read about epigenetics and these diseases :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prader–Willi_syndrome
When thinking of muscle tone :

Characteristic of PWS is "low muscle tone, short stature, incomplete sexual development, cognitive disabilities, problem behaviors, and a chronic feeling of hunger that can lead to excessive eating and life-threatening obesity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angelman_syndrome

Now that the prometheus story has become more realistic again...
I am sure the movie can be enjoyed more.

Spoiler

Also, has nobody noticed the parallel between this movie, district 9 and the X files : The black goo that has mutative capabilities ?

 

[Chiropteran]

One of the things that made Alien so good was because it showed it as a dirty place where the ships still needed grease and was always in need of repairs (like it would be) where as star trek everything was spotless. They wiped that formula in place of special effects and fancy sets. What would have been more impressive was making things look even more gritty in comparison to Alien while using the new special effects tech they have today.

What would be even more impressive is if the writer and/or director considered the actual usage of the ship in each move and decided to dress them up appropriately.

For example,

Old Mining Ship returning to earth after a long mining operation, in which it would presumably get dirty, need repairs, etc. Passengers are a few workers and an android, nobody who demands a newer or better ship. Also this ship has likely been used in many other mining operations. -It should be dirty, greasy, etc.

Brand new ship build for a specific expedition which is, among other things, carrying the owner of a multi-trillion dollar company. Do you really think Weyland would want to fly around in some old greasy mining ship, given his resources and money? -It should be brand new, shiny, clean, and pristine.

So, I don't agree that your flaw is a flaw at all. I'd consider it flawed if the ship in Prometheus was old and grimy actually.

 

[Ns1]

^^agreed

 

[TheSlamma]

What would be even more impressive is if the writer and/or director considered the actual usage of the ship in each move and decided to dress them up appropriately.

For example,

Old Mining Ship returning to earth after a long mining operation, in which it would presumably get dirty, need repairs, etc. Passengers are a few workers and an android, nobody who demands a newer or better ship. Also this ship has likely been used in many other mining operations. -It should be dirty, greasy, etc.

Brand new ship build for a specific expedition which is, among other things, carrying the owner of a multi-trillion dollar company. Do you really think Weyland would want to fly around in some old greasy mining ship, given his resources and money? -It should be brand new, shiny, clean, and pristine.

So, I don't agree that your flaw is a flaw at all. I'd consider it flawed if the ship in Prometheus was old and grimy actually.

Meh you took my post to the other extreme to try to make your point.

I didn't indicate that grease had to just be flowing from the walls or that they should have to be in some old ship but that the technology should appear older than the first movie and that it shouldn't look like some flawless technology that puts itself hundreds of hears in front of the timeline of Aliens. Take a Pan Am plane from the 1970's and compare it to a cargo plane that just rolled off the hangar today, the cargo plane is going to be less thrills and more utilitarian right? but yet which one no matter how much money is sunk into the 70's model will still have the older more dated looking tech?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Not sure if this was posted here or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgNinx_G_U

After watching this, I realized that I really think the trailer was much more epic than the actual movie

 

[Chiropteran]

Meh you took my post to the other extreme to try to make your point.

I didn't indicate that grease had to just be flowing from the walls or that they should have to be in some old ship but that the technology should appear older than the first movie and that it shouldn't look like some flawless technology that puts itself hundreds of hears in front of the timeline of Aliens. Take a Pan Am plane from the 1970's and compare it to a cargo plane that just rolled off the hangar today, the cargo plane is going to be less thrills and more utilitarian right? but yet which one no matter how much money is sunk into the 70's model will still have the older more dated looking tech?

I kindly disagree.

Alien was very limited by the actual technology we had at the time it was produced.

If Prometheus' technology was limited to keep it equally or even more dated, while it might be more realistic from the perspective of the Prometheus > Alien timeline, it would like terrible UNREALISTIC when compared to modern day technology. Why would we revert to a primitive text based computer system instead of using a rich graphic interface?

I feel that if there is a problem with the way the technology matches up between Prometheus and Alien, the flaw lies with the movie Alien. You should be starting a thread on Alien about how the technology level doesn't make sense given the time it takes place in.


Also, Ridley Scott has said that while Alien and Prometheus take place in the same universe, Prometheus is not intended to be a real prequel to Alien.

edit: oops, I wrote GUI instead of text.

 

[lokiju]

What would be even more impressive is if the writer and/or director considered the actual usage of the ship in each move and decided to dress them up appropriately.

For example,

Old Mining Ship returning to earth after a long mining operation, in which it would presumably get dirty, need repairs, etc. Passengers are a few workers and an android, nobody who demands a newer or better ship. Also this ship has likely been used in many other mining operations. -It should be dirty, greasy, etc.

Brand new ship build for a specific expedition which is, among other things, carrying the owner of a multi-trillion dollar company. Do you really think Weyland would want to fly around in some old greasy mining ship, given his resources and money? -It should be brand new, shiny, clean, and pristine.

So, I don't agree that your flaw is a flaw at all. I'd consider it flawed if the ship in Prometheus was old and grimy actually.

Funny I just re-watched Alien and my wife saw it for her first time last week since we saw Prometheus the weekend before and we both noticed how the mining ship was covered in grime and the crew looked the part for the kind of work they were doing. Thought it was a nice touch when compared to the way Prometheus looked.

 

[sigurros81]

I think it's rather comical that people are complaining about discontinuity in "future technology" in sci-fi movies--make me think of the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons.

People don't realize that sci fi movies are made based off of the technology of the time. When Alien came out in 1979, they didn't have wide screen flat panels with million of colors like we do today. Directors and artists have to adapt to current technology when they are making movies about our future.

 

[JEDI]

WtfEnding?!

1) a small mound of rocks holds together to save the Dr from being crushed by the falling ship with a mass of an aircraft carrier?!

2) oxygen levels low... then how the heck did she drive all the way to the next ship?
2a) so did the same mishap happened to the Engineers in the enxt ship?
ie: black ooze killed the crew?

3) how the F did the small squid grow SOOO large?

4) what happened to the other woman that was w/Weyland's party? the Engineer just threw her a few feer. she's died from that?!

5) what happened to the giant squid after it killed the engineer?!


another good movie ruined by the writers tieing everything up in the last 5 min

 

[SirStev0]

Not sure if this was posted here or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgNinx_G_U

After watching this, I realized that I really think the trailer was much more epic than the actual movie

This was pretty fucking awesome.

 

[Gibsons]

WtfEnding?!

1) a small mound of rocks holds together to save the Dr from being crushed by the falling ship with a mass of an aircraft carrier?!

2) oxygen levels low... then how the heck did she drive all the way to the next ship?
2a) so did the same mishap happened to the Engineers in the enxt ship?
ie: black ooze killed the crew?

3) how the F did the small squid grow SOOO large?

4) what happened to the other woman that was w/Weyland's party? the Engineer just threw her a few feer. she's died from that?!

5) what happened to the giant squid after it killed the engineer?!


another good movie ruined by the writers tieing everything up in the last 5 min

1 stroke of luck, but it's nothing compared to the 'don't run to the side' gaffe

2 I think it's reasonable that she could survive a minute or three with no provided oxygen. How she was able to be so active with a huge fresh surgical incision is another question.

3 ... steroids?

4 sort of like the kung fu movies, where a guy gets judo-thrown and it knocks him out cold

5 it went facehugger on him, became the chest buster

 

[SirStev0]

thought the movie was awesome.
So glad I kicked my trailer watching habit over this busy last 2 years. Prometheus was the first movie I really wanted to see that I really didn't see the trailers before hand. Made every scene that more badass.

 

[SirStev0]

1 stroke of luck, but it's nothing compared to the 'don't run to the side' gaffe

2 I think it's reasonable that she could survive a minute or three with no provided oxygen. How she was able to be so active with a huge fresh surgical incision is another question.

3 ... steroids?

4 sort of like the kung fu movies, where a guy gets judo-thrown and it knocks him out cold

5 it went facehugger on him, became the chest buster

5 is obvious. I was going to quote him and say such, but since you spelled it out for him I quoted you.

 

[SirStev0]

I love when people hate scifi movies that dive into very philosophical content about the origin of life or the human condition and then don't outright spell it out for you at the very end.
The mystery is half the fucking fun. Movies that spell it out in the end always end up being shitty.

The Fountain was a great one that just did it thing and left you mindfucked at the end. Contact was a shitty one that spelled everything out in the end.

Prometheus left me excited and confused and lets me play out all sorts of fun theories in my head. That is what makes cinema like this fun.

 

[JEDI]

1 stroke of luck, but it's nothing compared to the 'don't run to the side' gaffe

2 I think it's reasonable that she could survive a minute or three with no provided oxygen. How she was able to be so active with a huge fresh surgical incision is another question.

3 ... steroids?

4 sort of like the kung fu movies, where a guy gets judo-thrown and it knocks him out cold

5 it went facehugger on him, became the chest buster

but the facehugger still has it's husk over the victim when it's purpose if fulfilled.
the squid completely disappeared

 

[ImpulsE69]

but the facehugger still has it's husk over the victim when it's purpose if fulfilled.
the squid completely disappeared

The squid WAS the facehugger, it just grew wtf big. Facehuggers die after implanting. It died right after it did it..you can see this as both the engineer and it drop.

In this case though, there was no chestburster. The xeno came out damn near half grown.

I think the point of this movie as opposed to the others are that this "ooze" as well as the xeno's are very adaptable to all sorts of change.

Not sure why people are hung up on the "growing" thing either..its a monster it's not supposed to make sense. Which is scarier, a monster who has to eat, or a monster who just grows for no reason and just wants to use you as an incubator?

 

[ixelion]

I actually re-watched 2001: A Space Odyssey after watching Alien first then Prometheus. I enjoyed the parallels between all these movies, the danger of run-a-way science and technology and the quest for human advancement. For anyone wondering Alien was partly inspired by Kubrick's film.

I was slightly disappointed by Prometheus but not because it didn't any answered questions. I hate movies that just try to explain everything ala The Matrix sequels. What was disappointing was a lack of intrigue and mysticism around the Engineers and the story about human origin. Engineers just turned out to be douches that were involved in some convoluted story about DNA and biological warfare- it could have been so much better.

 

[torpid]

I love when people hate scifi movies that dive into very philosophical content about the origin of life or the human condition and then don't outright spell it out for you at the very end.
The mystery is half the fucking fun. Movies that spell it out in the end always end up being shitty.

The Fountain was a great one that just did it thing and left you mindfucked at the end. Contact was a shitty one that spelled everything out in the end.

Prometheus left me excited and confused and lets me play out all sorts of fun theories in my head. That is what makes cinema like this fun.

I had the same reaction to Prometheus initially. A couple of hours later I had realized so many plot holes and inconsistencies that it was hard to focus on any supposed deep content. The Fountain did not have such issues. Yet, Prometheus was a much more fun movie to watch. Good science fiction works on both levels (fun immediately and leaves you thinking). I don't think either of these movies was good in that sense.

 

[Tommy2000GT]

I watched this movie and i'm so lost

 

[Ichinisan]

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Spoiler

Also, has nobody noticed the parallel between this movie, district 9 and the X files : The black goo that has mutative capabilities ?

District 9 was a horrible movie. The stuff was supposed to be fuel.

 

[Via]

I watched this movie and i'm so lost

I see what you did there.

 

[Ichinisan]

Meh you took my post to the other extreme to try to make your point.

I didn't indicate that grease had to just be flowing from the walls or that they should have to be in some old ship but that the technology should appear older than the first movie and that it shouldn't look like some flawless technology that puts itself hundreds of hears in front of the timeline of Aliens. Take a Pan Am plane from the 1970's and compare it to a cargo plane that just rolled off the hangar today, the cargo plane is going to be less thrills and more utilitarian right? but yet which one no matter how much money is sunk into the 70's model will still have the older more dated looking tech?

Since each mission takes years, I would assume that the mining ship is 50+ years old.

 

[Ichinisan]

Not sure if this was posted here or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIgNinx_G_U

After watching this, I realized that I really think the trailer was much more epic than the actual movie

Epic. I subscribed to that channel.

 

[Ichinisan]

...
5) what happened to the giant squid after it killed the engineer?!
...

Did you ever see what happens to the facehugger in Alien? After implanting the chest-burster, it dies and falls off.

 

[Ichinisan]

The Fountain was a great one that just did it thing and left you mindfucked at the end. Contact was a shitty one that spelled everything out in the end.

Loved The Fountain, but I know it's not for everyone.