Ridley Scott's "Prometheus"

[Northern Lawn]

Ridley Scott is a punk for screwing up this movie... James Cameron should have done it.

 

[CZroe]

I watched Alien (The directors cut), i have not seen the alien grow. It is born small, then a few scenes later it is the size of a man. No actual footage of seeing the alien growing.

Yay for debate !

Isn't that exactly how the squid thing grows?

1) Leave it behind
2) Come back later
3) Magically bigger

If we assume that it's making solids out of air in one, we can assume that it is in the other.

FUSION! It explains everything.

 

[William Gaatjes]

Isn't that exactly how the squid thing grows?

1) Leave it behind
2) Come back later
3) Magically bigger

If we assume that it's making solids out of air in one, we can assume that it is in the other.

FUSION! It explains everything.

The first alien looked a lot more mechanical fused with life tissue.
I stick to the idea that the alien can dissolve any material encountered and uses the dissolved material to grow in mass by absorbing it and breaking it down into molecules.
In the aliens movie i just watched (2h40m special edition), it is clear to see that the aliens changed the building. But the changes to the insides of the building look similar as the bodies of the alien. Making the alien blend in as camouflage or just for nutrition. Although it is just a movie, it is still fun to think about it, let the imagination run wild...

What was also interesting that in the first movie, after examination done by Ash(Ian Holms - Lord of the rings, From hell), he explained that the facehugger creature has a silicon based skin tissue with beneath that tissue a protein/polysaccharide based cells (protein/polysaccharide based cells : Just as we do, it is a general explanation).


I just watched the bob burns alien museum documentary.
Here you can see the different alien versions of all the movies.
The first alien looked a lot more mechanical fused with life tissue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAQx2-8DYo&feature=player_detailpage#t=858s

Complete :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqAQx2-8DYo

 

[BladeVenom]

Ridley Scott is a punk for screwing up this movie... James Cameron should have done it.

James Cameron has made his share of bad movies. It's hard to make a good movie with a bad script.

 

[SSSnail]

James Cameron has made his share of bad movies. It's hard to make a good movie with a bad script.

Then don't.

 

[dr150]

James Cameron has made his share of bad movies. It's hard to make a good movie with a bad script.

A Director should have a discerning filter when a script is not ready for filming.

How can Ridley Scott not see that Lidelof's script was dogshit and not anywhere ready to add to the legendary Alien lore.

To me, this shows that either Scott has gotten lazy in reading FULL scripts or can't discern quality any more.

I put full blame on CEO Scott for setting sail on a smelly turd.

Scott is well on his way on the George Lucas "loss on reality and good taste" train trip.

 

[Northern Lawn]

James Cameron works on his scripts, writing I mean. Even though some lines make me cringe like "Unobtainium, or The Naive" even back in Aliens, some of the script was hackned but a lot of it was brilliant.

I think Aliens was the very best movie in the franchise. His Terminator was the best.. the only movie I can think of of his I don't like is the Love Boat. But everyone else seems to love it.

Too bad he only makes a movie every 10 years though, lol.

 

[Northern Lawn]

A Director should have a discerning filter when a script is not ready for filming.

How can Ridley Scott not see that Lidelof's script was dogshit and not anywhere ready to add to the legendary Alien lore.

To me, this shows that either Scott has gotten lazy in reading FULL scripts or can't discern quality any more.

I put full blame on CEO Scott for setting sail on a smelly turd.

Scott is well on his way on the George Lucas "loss on reality and good taste" train trip.

I'm going to put this out there.

I recently got this The Thing craze so I watched all the versions including the original back & white in the 50's.. The Thing From Another World.

THIS MOVIE INSPIRED ALIENS. Cameron totally umm.. borrowed ideas from this movie. They were in a base, sealed all the doors. They had a device that beeped and gave direction so they could see where the thing is and how close. They tried killing it with fire etc.

But now I think Ridley scott also stole from the original The Thing. His "Engineer" looks exactly like The Thing and that is one of the main reasons I hate Prometheus, that and the giant squid and I guess the obvious hint at a sequel... lady taking off in the Alien ship..

Check out these screens.

 

[ImpulsE69]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDcunywdk1M&feature=related

A doc by Giger on the making of Alien if you haven't seen it.

 

[zinfamous]

Ridley Scott is a punk for screwing up this movie... James Cameron should have done it.

it would have been horrible with Cameron at the helm (see: Aliens in comparison to Alien)

 

[zinfamous]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDcunywdk1M&feature=related

A doc by Giger on the making of Alien if you haven't seen it.

Anyone who happens to be in Switzerland should check out the Giger museum in Gruyere. It's pretty awesome. ...and it's completely anathema to the town in which you find it.

 

[Northern Lawn]

it would have been horrible with Cameron at the helm (see: Aliens in comparison to Alien)

Well I preferred Aliens to Alien.. Action to Horror, but both great movies. I just can't get past the lame computer room in Scott's version.

But why don't you compare Prometheus to Alien?

 

[ImpulsE69]

Anyone who happens to be in Switzerland should check out the Giger museum in Gruyere. It's pretty awesome. ...and it's completely anathema to the town in which you find it.

Yea I've wanted to go to that so bad, and the restuarant/museum in NY too (at least I think it's still there)

 

[zinfamous]

Well I preferred Aliens to Alien.. Action to Horror, but both great movies. I just can't get past the lame computer room in Scott's version.

But why don't you compare Prometheus to Alien?

well, I don't see much reason to--in terms of an "Alien story."

As a horror flick, I think both are quite excellent, and very comparable. Ridley Scott is smart enough to know that cheap thrills and schlock do not convey horror--but tight shots of actual humans that can actually die running panicked through long corridors go a long way in creating emotional responses from audiences. This is why Prometheus is actually quite refreshing. Most people probably went in expecting "OMG Sci Fi!" But what they really got was more in tune with classic horror. I think this is why most people are angry about this flick? They don't realize that's what Prometheus is (like Alien)?

stupid characters aside, it's still a damn good film.


And don't get me wrong--I really like Aliens; but as you mentioned it's action vs horror. And it's almost more of the "dumb action" of the early 80s style--think "Commando" (sure, it's way better than that)--but when you look back to it, Aliens has lots of that "80s cheese."

Yes--Terminator was better than Aliens, and Cameron does know how to do horror; and he is a great director. I prefer The Abyss out of all of his work.

 

[Northern Lawn]

I've been reading up on Ridley Scott's Alien this last half hour (love the internet) and decided to re-watch it tonight. Apparently it has aged very well and looks like it was shot today.

, Aliens has lots of that "80s cheese."

Room full of smokers, ashtrays over flowing... lol, reminds me of Larry King's show in the 80's.

 

[zinfamous]

I've been reading up on Ridley Scott's Alien this last half hour (love the internet) and decided to re-watch it tonight. Apparently it has aged very well and looks like it was shot today.

yeah, that's how I feel. I don't think Aliens has aged as well--mostly because of dated and somewhat inane dialogue.

Just look at Star Wars vs Empire Strikes Back. You can pretty much watch Empire, any age, any decade, and it feels like a current film.

But with Star Wars, you get crud like this: "Not this ship, Sister!"

 

[The Boston Dangler]

But with Star Wars, you get crud like this: "Not this ship, Sister!"

great, zin. don't get cocky!

 

[RPD]

yeah, that's how I feel. I don't think Aliens has aged as well--mostly because of dated and somewhat inane dialogue.

Just look at Star Wars vs Empire Strikes Back. You can pretty much watch Empire, any age, any decade, and it feels like a current film.

But with Star Wars, you get crud like this: "Not this ship, Sister!"

LIES.

Game over, man! Game's over!

 

[preslove]

I'd put Aliens with the other 80s action flicks, too. It and Predator are, imho, the best examples of that genre to come out of the 80s.

 

[BladeVenom]

A Director should have a discerning filter when a script is not ready for filming.

How can Ridley Scott not see that Lidelof's script was dogshit and not anywhere ready to add to the legendary Alien lore.

To me, this shows that either Scott has gotten lazy in reading FULL scripts or can't discern quality any more.

I put full blame on CEO Scott for setting sail on a smelly turd.

Scott is well on his way on the George Lucas "loss on reality and good taste" train trip.

His talent is towards the visual not the literary. His movies have great visuals, great atmosphere, and usually good acting.

A bad or flawed story isn't a new thing for him. Half his movies don't have good stories. It's hit and miss in that regard. It's not something new.

 

[zinfamous]

great, zin. don't get cocky!

 

[Northern Lawn]

I finally re-watched Aliens directors version and it really did stand up well. Dialogue, special effects (except for the little alien pup running across the table, lol) and over all very scary.

I didn't like the alien growing so fast while eating nothing. I don't see how the fossilized engineer could have had a helmet on as it happened in Prometheus. His facial expression was there.

I still think Aliens 2 is the best of the franchise because of the action but Alien is a very close 2nd.

Another thing that bothers me is who is supposed to be responsible for creating the Alien architecture? It's supposed to be the Alien right? but the entire Engineers ship was alien architecture.

One thing I never noticed before was that that alien was cocooning the crew not killing them.

 

[Kev]

finally just saw this. can someone do a recap of this 1 trillion post thread and explain why nerds hate it so much? I thought it was great

 

[cKGunslinger]

finally just saw this. can someone do a recap of this 1 trillion post thread and explain why nerds hate it so much? I thought it was great

Because it had a great pedigree and awesome cinematics, but was absolute crap in regards to the script/story, character development, motivations, consistency, etc.

Is was this year's Avatar, only not as good. ^_^

 

[Kev]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0

ok nevermind

most of what he talks about were all things that I thought about throughout the movie, but i still thought it was good. My favorite line... "why did ridley scott get his 12 year old grandson to do the makeup for weyland"

It held my attention for 2 hours which is hard to do, so I liked it.