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fskimospy

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If everybody was honest here, who else knew that? The problem is nobody is honest.

Lots and lots of people. There have been many discussions about the US defense budget where it is pointed out that some defense spending is 'hidden' because spending on nuclear forces is part of the Energy budget. You can search and find these discussions.

More importantly though, nobody here is up for secretary of Energy. It's insane to compare people on here to Perry. It's kind of insane that people on here know more about it than him too though I guess.
 

Caesar

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If everybody was honest here, who else knew that? The problem is nobody is honest.

You are a special kind of idiot, aren't you? No one here is up for secretary of energy. So it is a moot point whether they knew it or not. Besides it is clear that a lot of people here also knew that including me. However, in this new idiocracy US, our leaders are supposed to be just as dumb as our average population. You know, to hell with those educated elitists running reputational programs in MIT and getting Noble Prize for Physics.
 

IronWing

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You are a special kind of idiot, aren't you? No one here is up for secretary of energy. So it is a moot point whether they knew it or not. Besides it is clear that a lot of people here also knew that including me. However, in this new idiocracy US, our leaders are supposed to be just as dumb as our average population. You know, to hell with those educated elitists running reputational programs in MIT and getting Noble Prize for Physics.
I've met two bomb designer physicists and, holy crap, you don't want some of those guys in charge. Dr. Strangelove was a parody but it worked precisely because it mocked reality. The DOE Secretary doesn't need to be a scientist but aught to be a thoughtful top shelf administrator. I don't see that quality in Perry.
 
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Caesar

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I've met two bomb designer physicists and, holy crap, you don't want some of those guys in charge. Dr. Strangelove was a parody but it worked precisely because it mocked reality. The DOE Secretary doesn't need to be a scientist but aught to be a thoughtful top shelf administrator. I don't see that quality in Perry.

I agree - I am not suggesting that we put a mad scientist in charge. However, it should be someone who is knowledgeable or someone who has done some background learning to understand what the new job entails and how he can help the department.
 
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Pens1566

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perry is playing a long game. he's gonna shut down the national labs and resume the superconducting supercollider. we're gonna have more and better physics than anyone, especially those filthy euros.

Problem is that Perry thinks the super collider is just a really big demolition derby outside Waco.
 
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HomerJS

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Fuck no. America deserves this. At least Hillary won't be in charge. That would have been the real tragedy.
Instead we have the guy who thinks the world would be safer with more nukes and has to ask twice why we can't use ours.
 
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soundforbjt

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In a real transition, half of these picks would have been vetted properly and already rejected. Now we'll be stuck with them.
 
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fleshconsumed

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Only the best and the brightest, best and the brightest. Best of the bunch, really! /S

This is shaping up to be one of the most incompetent administrations. The way things are going I almost think it's time to start investing in prepping supplies, water filters, iodine tablets, military rations, gas canisters...
 
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OrByte

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If confirmed by the Senate, before whom he will sit for a confirmation hearing Thursday, Perry would have big shoes to fill at the department. Current Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz was the former chairman of M.I.T.’s physics department and oversaw an actual particle accelerator, and former secretary Steven Chu won a Nobel Prize for his work on atomic physics. Perry, on the other hand, got two Cs, a D, and an F when he took Chemistry in college, according to his transcript from Texas A&M. He received a C in Physics.


...that's great. Maybe he can keep the current Energy Secretary around as an advisor or something?


http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/01/rick-perry-energy-secretary-nuclear-arsenal
 
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Jaskalas

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Not saying Perry is smart or suitable, but when did you confuse scientist and management positions?

That'd be like demanding only Generals be President.
What military experience did Obama have before "leading" our army?
You use the same retarded argument today. Do the forum a favor and don't be as stupid as Perry.
 

Sunburn74

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I don't understand why anyone would want to cut the department of energy. Both perry and Gary Johnson have stated this. it's literally insane.
 
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Not saying Perry is smart or suitable, but when did you confuse scientist and management positions?

That'd be like demanding only Generals be President.
What military experience did Obama have before "leading" our army?
You use the same retarded argument today. Do the forum a favor and don't be as stupid as Perry.

This is a remarkably, if not surprisingly, vacuous position. Does it not occur to you that when it comes to matters of the greatest importance (and the management of our nuclear material, the most devastating and potentially destructive force ever assembled by man, is self-evidently such a matter), it might be useful to have the person in charge be someone with relevant subject-matter knowledge? How else is he supposed to know whether the advice he's receiving is correct and/or prudent? Perry has no knowledge or experience when it comes to the most important facet of his appointed position, the management and supervision of our nuclear programs.

For what it's worth, I do think it's helpful, other things being equal, that the President be someone with a military background, because it's both culturally and factually helpful in making key military decisions. I certainly would not take the view (as you seem to be doing) that this is not a relevant credential, although it is obviously not a prerequisite for holding the office (it has, in fact, become clear that to a meaningful percentage of the American electorate, there literally are no prerequisites, be they experiential, intellectual or tempermental, to holding the office of President).
 
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It's a good way to make the department look bad and inefficient so next cycle they can say "see how inefficient and waste of space these departments are. We should get rid of them". Not realizing they are the reason
 

SMOGZINN

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Not saying Perry is smart or suitable, but when did you confuse scientist and management positions?
Well, first off scientists often have to do a lot of management, they often have large labs with many employees.

Second is that if you want to manage a company it is usually helpful to know something about what the company does.

A manager that does not know what he is managing is going to make mistakes out of ignorance. Most of us have seen this happen in our jobs, managers brought in from the outside that have no idea how the product works making promises that can't be filled, asking things of the employees that are impractical or even dangerous. Cutting budgets on critical operations because they don't understand why they are critical, and don't even have the technical training to have it adequately explained to them.

Now apply that to our nuclear energy and weapons programs. What would be a major problem in a large company might be a global disaster when applied to the DoE.
 
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VtPC83

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Yeah, so people saying that these top level positions are more about management than knowledge of the field are absolutely idiotic. Having specific field knowledge AND having management skills are not mutually exclusive. We should be looking for and appointing people with both.

So sad that this is what the country is coming to. Literally dumb people making ridiculous, life changing decisions with no actual information backing them up while people with experience, education and knowledge yelling and screaming not to do it (while having info to back it up) but being ignored.

Very sad, the biggest sadness. You will get tired of being so sad.... -sigh-
 
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SMOGZINN

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Only the best and the brightest, best and the brightest. Best of the bunch, really! /S

This is shaping up to be one of the most incompetent administrations. The way things are going I almost think it's time to start investing in prepping supplies, water filters, iodine tablets, military rations, gas canisters...

That won't be necessary for me. I still have my guns, so I can just take yours.. It seems Obama missed me when he took away everyone's guns.
 

momeNt

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You are a special kind of idiot, aren't you? No one here is up for secretary of energy. So it is a moot point whether they knew it or not. Besides it is clear that a lot of people here also knew that including me. However, in this new idiocracy US, our leaders are supposed to be just as dumb as our average population. You know, to hell with those educated elitists running reputational programs in MIT and getting Noble Prize for Physics.

If knowing all you needed to know was a job prerequisite, instead of being capable of learning what you needed to know, and having your talent identified in ways other than just a test of your knowledge of the role's responsibilities. Then arguably nobody would be other than where they already are. People can grow and learn from where they were, to be at the new places they currently are.

Rick Perry for example.

As energy secretary, Perry pledged Thursday to modernize the country's nuclear stockpile, promote and develop American energy "in all forms," protect the agency's science and technology mission and carefully dispose of nuclear waste.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...nominee-rick-perry-i-regret-calls-nix-n708916

That shows some incredible growth since he last made those comments, wouldn't you agree?