[reuters 5-18-14] Intel CEO promises Broadwell on shelves for holidays 2014

[AtenRa]

30% was on "normal" chips.

30% lower power consumption was at the same performance, obviously a 11.5W TDP cannot have the same performance as 4.5W TDP.

 

[Fjodor2001]

That's half the weight of their 13" MBA. Seems unlikely.

But the rumor is the fanless MBA will be 12", not 13". So it's closer to the 11.6" MBA, and that weighs 38 ounces. So 24 ounces is not that far off, if you take into account that they can drop the fan which reduces weight, and indirectly also means they can make it smaller which will lose further weight. In addition, 14 nm should have less power consumption and require a smaller battery.

 

[dahorns]

It's the weight at 24 ounces weight that I was mostly concerned about. That's quite a lot for a tablet. Sony Xperia Z2 Tablet for example is 15.5 ounces (yes, I know it's not as fast, but it's fast enough for a tablet I think). And the Z2 Tablet will be about 1 year old when these Broadwell-M tablets are released.

But anyway, shouldn't the MBA be able to come in at close to ~24 ounces too?

The Sony Xperia Z2 is much smaller at 10.1 inches. The referenced tablet had a 12.5 inch screen. These aren't really in the same class.

In comparison, the Surface 3 Pro weighs 28 ounces and has a 12 inch screen. The Samsung Galaxy Note Pro has a 12.2 inch screen and weighs 26.4 ounces.

Oh, the 11.6 inch MacBook air is 38 ounces. The 13 inch model is 47 ounces.

 

[witeken]

Wasn't this the chip tested back ago, in 2013, the one that consumed 4.5 vs 6W in cinebench?
Also didn't they claim just 30% less power consumption? The new numbers are closer to 60% less: 11.5W TDP vs 4.5W TDP...
If that's real we have a winner and 14nm can't come soon enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeDtXucTwRI

The Broadwell CPU had 30% lower power consumption "directly out of the lab" "without a lot of tuning". They were normalized same performance.

 

[sxr7171]

Because on desktop there won't be Broadwell available. Skylake-S is coming as planned mid-2015 for Haswell/Haswell refresh non-K.

That would make sense. So it would leave Broadwell only for tablets and such. My gosh Laptop/Desktop OEMs won't have anything for Christmas this year.

 

[sxr7171]

But the rumor is the fanless MBA will be 12", not 13". So it's closer to the 11.6" MBA, and that weighs 38 ounces. So 24 ounces is not that far off, if you take into account that they can drop the fan which reduces weight, and indirectly also means they can make it smaller which will lose further weight. In addition, 14 nm should have less power consumption and require a smaller battery.

Apple laptop hardware design is the pits. They can drop the fan which is great. But the main consumer of battery is not the CPU but the display. As long as they continue to use cheap aluminum they will never be at the forefront. I say this as I type this on a 28oz Lavie Z. 13.3" weighs 28oz with a fan. Imagine what they can do with a fanless CPU.

 

[Fjodor2001]

So what's the conclusion on the latest statements by Intel? There will be a tiny amount of Broadwell-M based products released closed to the end of the year despite poor yields, so that they can claim a 2014 release and not lose their face completely? Everything else sometime in 2015.

 

[mikk]

So what's the conclusion on the latest statements by Intel? There will be a tiny amount of Broadwell-M based products released closed to the end of the year despite poor yields, so that they can claim a 2014 release and not lose their face completely? Everything else sometime in 2015.

It is so obvious you are trolling as usual. Really poor attitude.

If you have a problem with another poster, either take it to PMs or bring it to us. Attacking another poster in public will not be allowed
-ViRGE

 

[Homeles]

Apple laptop hardware design is the pits. They can drop the fan which is great. But the main consumer of battery is not the CPU but the display. As long as they continue to use cheap aluminum they will never be at the forefront. I say this as I type this on a 28oz Lavie Z. 13.3" weighs 28oz with a fan. Imagine what they can do with a fanless CPU.

Eh? Apple's designs are much better built than most other laptop vendors. Their Air line just needs a makeover, that's all.

 

[Fjodor2001]

It is so obvious you are trolling as usual. Really poor attitude.

Don't get pissed on the messenger because the message does not appeal to you, and puts your earlier predictions to shame. Let us instead know what your take on this is then, and based on what? What I wrote was what I think was possible to extract from the latest statement by Intel. So do you really think we'll see anything else but a few Broadwell-M based products in small a mounts before the end of 2014?

Both of you need to cool down. This isn't kosher behavior out of either of you.
-ViRGE

 

[witeken]

Intel stated Cherry Trail would be Q4.

 

[Homeles]

Don't get pissed on the messenger because the message does not appeal to you, and puts your earlier predictions to shame. Let us instead know what your take on this is then, and based on what? What I wrote was what I think was possible to extract from the latest statement by Intel. So do you really think we'll see anything else but a few Broadwell-M based products in small a mounts before the end of 2014?

Not every message is welcome here, FWIW. You might want to read over the rules of this subforum, as well as the TOS.

It's not really possible to say why Broadwell's been mostly gutted as far as a 2014 release goes. You don't know, so stop pretending otherwise.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Don't get pissed on the messenger because the message does not appeal to you, and puts your earlier predictions to shame. Let us instead know what your take on this is then, and based on what? What I wrote was what I think was possible to extract from the latest statement by Intel. So do you really think we'll see anything else but a few Broadwell-M based products in small a mounts before the end of 2014?

Its a shame you dont apply the same kind of sceptism with other companies. But rather give them a complete free card with zero doubts for even the most hyped PR or rumours.

Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Especially from someone with a long history of the practice such as you. For that you can enjoy some time off.
-ViRGE

 

[Sweepr]

And then the Intel fan crowd here on the forum stubbornly interpreted that as that Intel meant Broadwell would be released in August/September. Now it turns out Broadwell will not available until the holiday season after all, just like I predicted back when the previous statement was made. Hate to say I told you so... :whiste:

Even if they did (hint: they don't, that's something you made up) they would be wrong by maybe 1-2 months. Now, if current Intel desktop roadmaps are correct, then your Skylake Q2-Q3/2016 launch prediction is wrong by +1 year. That makes me question if the AMD fan crowd is any better with predictions, I guess not.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Its a shame you dont apply the same kind of sceptism with other companies. But rather give them a complete free card with zero doubts for even the most hyped PR or rumours.

To be honest I really don't consider myself one of the more biased on this forum. I've written post with both negative and positive comments regardless of company. I'm being critical when called for, like in this case with the endless Broadwell delays.

So if you're looking for someone to attack for being biased, you should look elsewhere for that. Like in the mirror for example.

 

[SAAA]

To be honest I didn't see that many Haswell based laptops/PCs too in 2013, at least in my country, so the whole Broadwell delays doesn't affect me much as it is coming exactly one year later. Of course I'm talking of on the shelf products, not something you buy online or some limited machines like Macs, those were up to date.

 

[mikk]

Don't get pissed on the messenger because the message does not appeal to you, and puts your earlier predictions to shame. Let us instead know what your take on this is then, and based on what? What I wrote was what I think was possible to extract from the latest statement by Intel. So do you really think we'll see anything else but a few Broadwell-M based products in small a mounts before the end of 2014?

Are you a little bit stupid or what? You are basically saying Intel is launching Core-M just for fun so they could claim a 2014 release. This is trolling at its best (or worst in this case)

This is the first real fanless Core base product where 14nm really makes the difference in a tablet or ultra thin envelope, hence why Intel decided to give Core-M priority over other Broadwell parts. Is this too high for you?

 

[jpiniero]

Are you a little bit stupid or what? You are basically saying Intel is launching Core-M just for fun so they could claim a 2014 release. This is trolling at its best (or worst in this case)

Don't underestimate the PR hit (from Wall Street) if they didn't release any Broadwell models in 2014. I guess we will have to see what the volumes are, but it's obvious the 14 nm yield still isn't where they would like it to be. Intel's position in x86 desktops/laptops is getting pretty close to monopoly status as AMD circles the drain; so if the numbers don't add up, they can take their sweet time until it does.

 

[jdubs03]

Don't underestimate the PR hit (from Wall Street) if they didn't release any Broadwell models in 2014. I guess we will have to see what the volumes are, but it's obvious the 14 nm yield still isn't where they would like it to be. Intel's position in x86 desktops/laptops is getting pretty close to monopoly status as AMD circles the drain; so if the numbers don't add up, they can take their sweet time until it does.

If that were to happen, there would be a PR and share price hit for sure, as it would likely create some distrust with management projections, especially as they've been stating holidays. But I don't see that happening, so I'm not putting much thought into such a disappointment.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Don't underestimate the PR hit (from Wall Street) if they didn't release any Broadwell models in 2014. I guess we will have to see what the volumes are, but it's obvious the 14 nm yield still isn't where they would like it to be. Intel's position in x86 desktops/laptops is getting pretty close to monopoly status as AMD circles the drain; so if the numbers don't add up, they can take their sweet time until it does.

Agreed, regardless of whether mikk thinks we're stupid or not (something I couldn't care less about).

 

[sxr7171]

Eh? Apple's designs are much better built than most other laptop vendors. Their Air line just needs a makeover, that's all.

Fair enough. But they are not as premium as they portray. An X1 Carbon or Vaio Pro will beat the Air in weight and size by a pretty large margin. But yeah better than pretty much all other vendors Samsung possibly excepted.

I will admit that the Apple touchpad is no like no other. I have not used any Windows laptop that even comes close. They mostly have that horrid Synaptics driver.

And yeah the Air needs a huge makeover. But the problem with Apple is that they've shown that Aluminum is okay in high end markets. They really should go the extra mile and do something with Magnesium Alloy or Carbon Fiber. That having been said I can acknowledge that the entry price for the Macbook Air is below Those machines that employ more advanced construction.

 

[Homeles]

Fair enough. But they are not as premium as they portray. An X1 Carbon or Vaio Pro will beat the Air in weight and size by a pretty large margin. But yeah better than pretty much all other vendors Samsung possibly excepted.

I will admit that the Apple touchpad is no like no other. I have not used any Windows laptop that even comes close. They mostly have that horrid Synaptics driver.

And yeah the Air needs a huge makeover.

I actually can't tell the difference between a properly-functioning PC and a Mac trackpad (excluding gestures, of course), if the PC is using up to date drivers and not using a crappy surface material like high-gloss plastic.

My issue with Sony Vaios is that as someone that repairs computers for a living, they're not built well internally. There's a lot of breakage-prone ribbon cables, and they're simply difficult to work on, especially if you have to do a full teardown. Apple's not the best either, but they're far from being the worst, although their iMacs are a royal PITA.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Macbook Air with Retina display 'delayed' by Intel Broadwell chip shortage

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...play-delayed-by-intel-broadwell-chip-shortage

"HARDWARE DESIGNER Apple's rumoured 12in Macbook Air with Retina display reportedly has been delayed, and apparently it's all Intel's fault.

That's according to Taiwan's Economic Daily, which reports that the 12in Macbook Air with Retina display will now see a release in 2015, despite Apple's intention to launch the device later this year.

The report claims that this is due to a shortage of Intel's new Broadwell processor, with the 14nm chips said to be facing further delays. If the report is to be believed, the U Series chips destined for use in Apple's Macbooks might not ship until next February. Rumours had originally claimed that Apple's first Retina display Macbook would ship this autumn, with mass production tipped to begin in the third quarter.

I'm a bit confused by this. Isn't the 12" Mac Book Air supposed to be a fanless model? I.e. they will use Broadwell-M for it. Or can they make it fanless with Broadwell-U.

 

[Phynaz]

Lol, look how many times they use the word "rumor" in that article. As said in the last word of the article, "speculation".

You would be best served to not treat this as fact yet.

 

[dahorns]

Lol, look how many times they use the word "rumor" in that article. As said in the last word of the article, "speculation".

You would be best served to not treat this as fact yet.

Sure. But, the rumor does make sense if Apple planned on using anything but Broadwell-M. Why they would do that? I don't know. I always assumed Intel was focusing on Broadwell-M at Apple's insistence.