[reuters 5-18-14] Intel CEO promises Broadwell on shelves for holidays 2014

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witeken

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Yes, most people guessed November/December, but most members of the Intel fan crowed guessed September initially (and some even August).
I changed my opinion. If you asked my Broadwell's release before Intel announced they yield issues I probably answered (early) Q3. I think in one earnings call, Paul Otellini or Brian Krzanich even said it would be Q2'14.

Edit: According to this post I didn't even have August as opinion. In any case, if you ask me now, I'd say October.


Which it may very well be. We don't know, since it has not been released yet and Intel has not stated any definitive release date for it. But we know for sure that every Intel CPU generation since and including SB has been delayed, so it's not unlikely it'll happen to Skylake as well.
Have you seen the new news about Skylake's chipset? They plan to update it all to the 100-series chipset in 2015.
 
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Wrong. We can already see that on Intels roadmap.

Why would they release Skylake on time? They need a return on Broadwell. They need to at least clear inventory of Broadwell. And even OEMs have to clear their Broadwell inventory.

As for the sunk cost argument, it's not like AMD is actually going to release something that requires that Intel move fast for the sake of competition. As a de facto monopoly in high end CPUs they will take their time and make themselves and their OEM partners some money before pushing Skylake out.

Also Ha Ha! Like a roadmap has never been revised. Time and time again they have delayed product so that OEMs can clear their inventory.
 

AtenRa

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Because on desktop there won't be Broadwell available. Skylake-S is coming as planned mid-2015 for Haswell/Haswell refresh non-K.

Yeap, Broadwell-K(First Desktop SKU) will arrive almost the same time as Skylake-S in desktop.
 

Fjodor2001

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Yeap, Broadwell-K(First Desktop SKU) will arrive almost the same time as Skylake-S in desktop.

Yes, according to the latest leaks. We'll see how that turns out in the end though, because it looks like quite a weird release plan. Seriously, who will be getting Broadwell-K instead of Skylake-S then? Not many I think.

That is unless there's some serious drawback with Skylake-S that we don't know about, like not much better IPC than Broadwell or that it'll have lower clock speeds (I know Skylake-S is not overclockable, so I'm talking about stock speeds of course).
 
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AtenRa

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Yes, according to the latest leaks. We'll see how that turns out in the end though, because it looks like quite a weird release plan. Seriously, who will be getting Broadwell-K instead of Skylake-S then? Not many I think.

If Broadwell-E will be released within one Quarter of both Broadwell-K and Skylake-S who is going to buy those two and not a 6-core BW-E ?? ;)

End of 2015 DDR-4 prices will start to equal DDR-3, why stay at 4 cores when you could get 6 for a small premium. ??? Haswell-E 6-Core is already close to 4790K price.
 

witeken

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From the earnings call, a comment about 14nm.

Brian M. Krzanich - CEO

Yes, 14-nanometer it’s going along exactly as we said in April. We said we would during this quarter qualify and we did qualify our 14-nanometer product and we actually are shipping product today to our customers and partners. We said we would have products on shelves for the holiday season and we continue to work with our partners and we’re on schedule to have product on shelf in the holiday. We talked to you about this. We focused on Core M which is the Broadwell part that we think really highlights the power of 14 nanometers and the Broadwell architecture. As I said, it will be the first class of core level PC products that are fanless. We talked to you about the Llama Mountain product 7.2 millimeters thick, 24 ounces in weight, fanless. Those are going to be devices that we think will start to transform how people think about a two-in-one device in the PC versus the tablet. That’s what we focused on. The rest of the products, as we said, it will launch and ramp as we go through 2015.

Source: SeekingAlpha.
 

Homeles

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The first post I linked to says it interprets BK:s comment as that he still opens up for a July/August release, but that the poster considers September more likely. I.e. the poster says Intel indicates a July/August release is still possible. Also, in several other posts by the Intel fan crowd says a September launch is possible, which your quotes also confirm. I.e. just like I said.

Either way, neither August nor September proved to be correct, and that was my main point.

I think this was already known by BK at the time of his statement in May, and the vague "back-to-school" wording was just fluff.
If you believe that 1-2 people constitute the entire "Intel fan crowd," then sure.
 

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From the earnings call, a comment about 14nm.

Brian M. Krzanich - CEO

We focused on Core M which is the Broadwell part that we think really highlights the power of 14 nanometers and the Broadwell architecture. As I said, it will be the first class of core level PC products that are fanless. We talked to you about the Llama Mountain product 7.2 millimeters thick, 24 ounces in weight, fanless.

Did he just leak the next Mac Book Air specs right there? ;)
 

witeken

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So OEMs and distributors are actually building up stock with 14nm products today.

Basically, but the real volume of 14nm seems to be in 2015, with both Broadwell and Skylake being ramped up in those multiple factories .

Also, here's a comment from Brian on 10nm and Skylake: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36533675&postcount=354

Did he just leak the next Mac Book Air specs right there? ;)
He just mentioned some of key specs of the 12.5" version of Llama Mountain.
 

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Homeles

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Ok, then it's less impressive specs.

But after that quote he says "Those are going to be devices that we think will start to transform how people think about a two-in-one device in the PC versus the tablet."...?

Also, why mention "fanless" it it's a tablet? Not many tablets with fans around...
You don't think a fanless Broadwell design is impressive? Color me surprised.
 

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You don't think a fanless Broadwell design is impressive? Color me surprised.

Well im not impressed because we already know they are at 1GHz but I'm very interested of knowing its performance, features and price tag.
 

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You don't think a fanless Broadwell design is impressive? Color me surprised.

It's the weight at 24 ounces weight that I was mostly concerned about. That's quite a lot for a tablet. Sony Xperia Z2 Tablet for example is 15.5 ounces (yes, I know it's not as fast, but it's fast enough for a tablet I think). And the Z2 Tablet will be about 1 year old when these Broadwell-M tablets are released.

But anyway, shouldn't the MBA be able to come in at close to ~24 ounces too?
 
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Homeles

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That's half the weight of their 13" MBA. Seems unlikely.

Well im not impressed because we already know they are at 1GHz but I'm very interested of knowing its performance, features and price tag.
That's the base clock, no?
 

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Another comment of Brian Krzanich on Broadwell's delay and Skylake. The answer is quite vague, unfortunately.

Hans Mosesmann - Raymond James
Thanks. Congratulations on the quarter. Brian, just going back to the 14-nanometer Broadwell, the availability to OEMs in the first half of 2015 seems to be about a year late. I understand that you made comments about Core M in April and that’s on track, but what’s driving the delay for the broader portfolio of Broadwell products? And the follow-up is what does that do if anything to the cadence without Tick-Tock? Thanks.

Brian M. Krzanich - CEO
Yes, I wouldn’t have said we’re a year late. I’d tell you we’re six months on. We targeted Broadwell and the Core M because we really feel like it’s a product that highlights the real power of 14 nanometers and Broadwell, right. It’s the one that’s going to really target the fanless thin and light highly mobile systems which is really going to differentiate I think in my mind 14-nanometer from prior technologies. But it will be the technology that brought the fanless PC to your laptop. Every one of these process nodes that we do takes – if you take a look at it going all the way out through the mobile products, the desktop products, the server products, the Atom products, it’s always a year and a half of product launch to be honest with you, every one of these. By the time you get to the E7 version and look we’re still launching the Haswell server products this quarter and that’s a technology that’s more than two years old. That part in the boarder availability is more skews out into next year. Six months yes, it’s not a year. And you’ll see a series a products through next year. It’s always a shift between our customers and OEM partners, availability and readiness to do a new skew and our readiness of the product, they’ll move as we move through the year next year. I think what’s key to me is that the process is healthy. We’ve got the product in a yield capability to be able to launch, we have a set of criteria that we use on every technology, so to be shipping to customers it’s met that quality requirement, those yield requirements and that’s we’re shipping to customers today and you’re going to have product on shelf.

Hans Mosesmann - Raymond James
Okay. And just a follow-up, does that delay SkyLink by six months?

Brian M. Krzanich - CEO
We’re still looking at the actual launch date. We’ve set it in 2015 so it’s a pretty broad window there. We’re trying to pin down and I think we go through the second half of this year, we’ll pin down exactly when SkyLink will come to market. Again it’s going to be – as we launch these other Broadwell products (indiscernible) consumers, everybody, when are they ready for SkyLink. That will drive it as much as anything on the process readiness and the product readiness.

So Skylake is definitely 2015. Broadwell is 6 months too late. I'm not sure why because at the investor meeting they said 3 months. Quite a long time anyway, and I wonder how they're going to deal with this since they didn't delay 10nm because of this.
 

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Base clocks don't really mean anything in mobile. I imagine it'll be very heavily constrained from a thermal standpoint, but it'll be interesting to see how it performs when crammed in such a form factor.
 

witeken

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It's the weight at 24 ounces weight that I was mostly concerned about. That's quite a lot for a tablet. Sony Xperia Z2 Tablet for example is 15.5 ounces (yes, I know it's not as fast, but it's fast enough for a tablet I think). And the Z2 Tablet will be about 1 year old when these Broadwell-M tablets are released.

But anyway, shouldn't the MBA be able to come in at close to ~24 ounces too?

There will also be a 10" tablet which is 544 g.
 

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Base clocks don't really mean anything in mobile. I imagine it'll be very heavily constrained from a thermal standpoint, but it'll be interesting to see how it performs when crammed in such a form factor.


Yes exactly, the turbo is pretty high. It requires tests to see how high it really clocks in real world.
 

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Wasn't this the chip tested back ago, in 2013, the one that consumed 4.5 vs 6W in cinebench?
Also didn't they claim just 30% less power consumption? The new numbers are closer to 60% less: 11.5W TDP vs 4.5W TDP...
If that's real we have a winner and 14nm can't come soon enough.
 

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Wasn't this the chip tested back ago, in 2013, the one that consumed 4.5 vs 6W in cinebench?
Also didn't they claim just 30% less power consumption? The new numbers are closer to 60% less: 11.5W TDP vs 4.5W TDP...
If that's real we have a winner and 14nm can't come soon enough.

30% was on "normal" chips.