[reuters 5-18-14] Intel CEO promises Broadwell on shelves for holidays 2014

[2is]

nvm... responded to an older post..

 

[frozentundra123456]

Would be nice if they would use that power and die area savings to bring out a mainstream hex core. If the power savings was even 25% that could give a tdp of around 100 watts for a hex core with decent clocks.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Would be nice if they would use that power and die area savings to bring out a mainstream hex core. If the power savings was even 25% that could give a tdp of around 100 watts for a hex core with decent clocks.

If they'd base it on IB they should be able to make an eight core CPU without iGPU at ~80 W TDP.

 

[witeken]

According to Fudzilla, quadcore Broadwell will have a 65W TDP, 35% lower than Haswell.

Also, they say there will be no Broadwell-M, not to be confused with Core M.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Seems like Intel is changing the roadmap on a quarterly basis these days.

So now they're releasing a full LGA 1150 desktop Broadwell lineup after all in 2015Q2? I.e. not just Broadwell-K? Then how does releasing desktop Skylake-S in the same quarter make any sense?

This also confuses me:

"Broadwell LGA should come will all SKUs unlocked and ready for overclocking"

ALL models, not just K parts?

"Desktop Broadwell is coming in Q2 2015 and it should come in the form of Core i7 and Core i5 branded processors. Core i3 and Pentium based Broadwell parts might ship at later date, but there is a chance that Intel will skip Broadwell based LGA processors and move directly to Skylake-S, the Tock of the 14nm that also comes in the first half of 2015."

So are they saying the Broadwell LGA 1150 SKUs may not be releases after all, since they can be skipped in favour of Skylake-S that is released in the same quarter?

 

[jpiniero]

So now they're releasing a full LGA 1150 desktop Broadwell lineup after all in 2015Q2? I.e. not just Broadwell-K? Then how does releasing desktop Skylake-S in the same quarter make any sense?

Yeah, I think it's just sloppy writing by FUD. Still looks like Intel's 2015 lineup looks like this:

- Broadwell 2+2 and 2+3e U/Y/H BGA Laptop models, maybe 2+1 as well at some point
- Broadwell LGA 4+4e for Xeons and Broadwell-K
- Skylake 4+2 for Desktop LGA

There hasn't been much what they are going to do with the DC Desktop line, but they could always just use Broadwell U and up the clock speed/TDP a bit.

 

[SAAA]

Those continuous delays really show how difficult it is to design <20nm nodes with old tools, especially 193nm light... seems like painting a miniature with buckets.

Also I'm pretty sure that any apparent problems with clockspeed on these new chips and their release of slower (and smaller) parts first is only due to these low yields and excessive defects.
Of course you wouldn't try to get first a quad core + 48EUs on a new node, keep that for later once problems are solved. Same for any bigger die like six-eight cores (thought actually they might be the same size of a quad + GT3...).

The 65W TDP speeks two things to me: either all the performance upgrades are gone into the IGP, leaving only overclocking CPU wise or finally the tables are more even and both have space to grow: in the same TDP there's a Haswell BGA i7 with 3.2-3.9GHz turbo for the cores, I don't see Intel lowering clocks so at best similar ones or closer to Devil's Canyon.
IGP has increased too and for the same reason of above I'm certain they wont lower performance, still if the rumor of 80% over Haswell GT2 is true there might be almost no increases over old GT3 beside with overclocking.
In the end the choice will be hard between this and a six core Haswell part, unless you -need- IGP and the L4 for... well something.

 

[witeken]

Seems like Intel is changing the roadmap on a quarterly basis these days.

So now they're releasing a full LGA 1150 desktop Broadwell lineup after all in 2015Q2? I.e. not just Broadwell-K? Then how does releasing desktop Skylake-S in the same quarter make any sense?

This also confuses me:

"Broadwell LGA should come will all SKUs unlocked and ready for overclocking"

ALL models, not just K parts?

There will only be Broadwell-K, AFAIK.