[reuters 5-18-14] Intel CEO promises Broadwell on shelves for holidays 2014

[ShintaiDK]

That maybe true in the US, the rest of the world didnt have any haswell Laptops until early 2014. You could only find one or two extremely high-priced ultra-books at best. I remember even Newegg only had Apple Haswell laptops until October-November 2013.

Thats not true either. Maybe it was so in Greece, but certainly not in large parts of europe and asia.

 

[Homeles]

That maybe true in the US, the rest of the world didnt have any haswell Laptops until early 2014. You could only find one or two extremely high-priced ultra-books at best. I remember even Newegg only had Apple Haswell laptops until October-November 2013.

I don't really know the exact situation, but it definitely has taken some time for Haswell to saturate the market. I'm fairly certain it's the OEMs that have been dragging their feet.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Its very OEM individual. For example if you want a Lenovo T series with the latest CPU. You usually have to wait 6-9 months after the first models. While plenty of others can be had the first month.

 

[bullzz]

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTcyODk

graphics names revealed

 

[witeken]

The names for GT2 start at HD5300. I hope Broadwell GT2 is indeed faster than Haswell Iris Pro.

Also, no GT1? That's great.

 

[jpiniero]

The names for GT2 start at HD5300. I hope Broadwell GT2 is indeed faster than Haswell Iris Pro.

Also, no GT1? That's great.

It would fit in nicely with Atom taking over Pentium and Celeron.

 

[Enigmoid]

- Intel HD Graphics 5300
- Intel HD Graphics 5500
- Intel HD Graphics 5600
- Intel HD Graphics 6000
- Intel Iris Graphics 6100
- Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200
- Intel Iris Pro Graphics P6300

For the sake of naming I wish they would keep the family in the same tier.

 

[Homeles]

For the sake of naming I wish they would keep the family in the same tier.

Definitely. The split is damn confusing.

 

[Roland00Address]

Even if it is not the first number make it the third or fourth number. First two tell you relative performance, third number tells you generation.

 

[SPBHM]

Definitely. The split is damn confusing.

at least is not called just "Intel HD Graphics" like 5+ different IGPs they have.

 

[witeken]

Intel Press release

"With the ramp of our Baytrail SoC family, we have expanded into new segments such as Chrome-based systems, and we are on track to meet our 40 million unit tablet goal. In addition, we hit an important qualification milestone for our upcoming 14nm Broadwell product, and expect the first systems to be on shelves during the holidays."

Intel officially reinforced earlier statements about Broadwell's release.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Intel Press release

"With the ramp of our Baytrail SoC family, we have expanded into new segments such as Chrome-based systems, and we are on track to meet our 40 million unit tablet goal. In addition, we hit an important qualification milestone for our upcoming 14nm Broadwell product, and expect the first systems to be on shelves during the holidays."

Intel officially reinforced earlier statements about Broadwell's release.

Naaah... not really. Intel previous statement from back in May was: "Back to school you have to really have it on-shelf in July, August. That's going to be tough. [...] I can guarantee for holiday, and not at the last second of holiday".

And then the Intel fan crowd here on the forum stubbornly interpreted that as that Intel meant Broadwell would be released in August/September. Now it turns out Broadwell will not available until the holiday season after all, just like I predicted back when the previous statement was made. Hate to say I told you so... :whiste:

 

[Homeles]

And then the Intel fan crowd here on the forum stubbornly interpreted that as that Intel meant Broadwell would be released in August/September.

Every time someone makes these recollections about public opinion, those recollections always prove to be false.

First, not a single person "guessed" August. The most optimistic "guess" was September, with most people believing it'd be ~November.

Second, you'd benefit from learning the difference between conjecture and making hard claims.

Third, I'll take this time to remind you that you believed Skylake will appear in Q2/Q3 2016.

 

[sxr7171]

I don't have recollection of every year's release cycle but generally nobody releases new products for back to school. Maybe rehashes at best. They use the back to school season to get rid of inventory.

The best thing for any student entering college is to actually use a computer lab for 2 months. Then you'll see new products and much lower prices. Especially when you are buying a higher end machine that you expect will last for 4 years.

 

[Mondozei]

Every time someone makes these recollections about public opinion, those recollections always prove to be false.

First, not a single person "guessed" August. The most optimistic "guess" was September, with most people believing it'd be ~November.

Second, you'd benefit from learning the difference between conjecture and making hard claims.

Third, I'll take this time to remind you that you believed Skylake will appear in Q2/Q3 2016.

Schooled.

It seems like Broadwell is ending up like 20 nm Maxwell/R300 series for GPUs. Endlessly delayed and when it finally will come, it will be superseeded by new architecture(Skylake in Intel's case) or new node(14/16 nm for GPUs).

 

[sxr7171]

Schooled.

It seems like Broadwell is ending up like 20 nm Maxwell/R300 series for GPUs. Endlessly delayed and when it finally will come, it will be superseeded by new architecture(Skylake in Intel's case) or new node(14/16 nm for GPUs).

Which means both of the latter products will also be delayed. Artificially.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Every time someone makes these recollections about public opinion, those recollections always prove to be false.

Not public opinion, but the most common opinion among a sub group. And what I wrote was true, but I guess it is hard for some to admit.

First, not a single person "guessed" August.

See this, where someone stated "Nonetheless, if BK still views July and August as a possibility". I.e. even July/August was claimed to be a possibility, based on BK's statement.

The most optimistic "guess" was September, with most people believing it'd be ~November.

Yes, most people guessed November/December, but most members of the Intel fan crowed guessed September initially (and some even August).

Third, I'll take this time to remind you that you believed Skylake will appear in Q2/Q3 2016.

Which it may very well be. We don't know, since it has not been released yet and Intel has not stated any definitive release date for it. But we know for sure that every Intel CPU generation since and including SB has been delayed, so it's not unlikely it'll happen to Skylake as well.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Which means both of the latter products will also be delayed. Artificially.

Wrong. We can already see that on Intels roadmap.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Wrong. We can already see that on Intels roadmap.

Roadmaps can change you know. Intel is pumping out new roadmaps continuously nowadays. Especially for Broadwell it seems there's a new delay every time a new roadmap is presented unfortunately.

 

[Idontcare]

Yes, most people guessed November/December, but most members of the Intel fan crowed guessed September initially (and some even August).

Only way to settle this is for you to provide links to the posts that support your statements.

Simple enough.

 

[Fjodor2001]

Only way to settle this is for you to provide links to the posts that support your statements.

Simple enough.

Yup, agreed. And I did that in my previous post, see the "this" link there. Also, check out the posts at the beginning of this thread.

 

[mikk]

Roadmaps can change you know. Intel is pumping out new roadmaps continuously nowadays. Especially for Broadwell it seems there's a new delay every time a new roadmap is presented unfortunately.

Skylake is independent from Broadwell. Otherwise Intel wouldn't plan Skylake for Q2 2015 in the same timeline as Broadwell (on desktop).

 

[dahorns]

Yup, agreed. And I did that in my previous post, see the "this" link there. Also, check out the posts at the beginning of this thread.

Not to be pedantic, but none of those posts support your position.

The first, says:

Nonetheless, if BK still views July and August as a possibility, if we take September as launch of Broadwell, that means there's a delay of 3 months between Haswell

The rest of the thread has similar views:

His statement was "broadwell will be available for holidays 2014, and not at the last minute"

so they could well arrive in September or October. He stated back to school season might [probably] will not happen, but definitely holidays.

Quote: "Back to school - that's a tight one. Back to school you have to really have it on-shelf in July, August. That's going to be tough."

To me that means September or October.

I'd probably say close to Black Friday and yes only the U/Y models.

I don't see anyone suggesting August as probable. However, I do agree that the conference call definitely points to a November launch rather than September/October.

 

[Fjodor2001]

The first post I linked to says it interprets BK:s comment as that he still opens up for a July/August release, but that the poster considers September more likely. I.e. the poster says Intel indicates a July/August release is still possible. Also, in several other posts by the Intel fan crowd says a September launch is possible, which your quotes also confirm. I.e. just like I said.

Either way, neither August nor September proved to be correct, and that was my main point.

I think this was already known by BK at the time of his statement in May, and the vague "back-to-school" wording was just fluff.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Is it really worth all the debate regarding what a few forum posters say? There is plenty of over optimistic speculation from both the amd and Intel camps every time there is a new release. Seems like a pointless argument just to be able to say "ha, ha, l was right", when I don't think anyone said they knew for sure when availability would be.