Return of AMD FX: My OC'd AMD FX 8150 with OC'd 6990 Review - First Results Up!

[Abwx]

Nitpicking benchmarks, my favorite game. YAY!!!

TH no more credible as soon as it doesnt suit your junk..???..

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8150-zambezi-bulldozer-990fx,3043-15.html

 

[Abwx]

It appears that you have an excuse for everything. Let me give you one word.

epicycles.

Not as much excuses as the AMD bashers hanging by there...
They are quite experts in epicycles..

 

[Maximilian]

Abwx = Absolute failure of a troll or possible buddy to the OP, shills stick together.

 

[polyzp]

From what i have seen, a single core of FX @ 4.8 Ghz is roughly the performance of a 4.0-4.2 Ghz phenom II core. You can argue as much as you want about this being crappy, but i know it is good enough for most people .

 

[Abwx]

Abwx = Absolute failure of a troll or possible buddy to the OP, shills stick together.

You should calm down with the medics..

Second intel adorator that ressort to insults in a few posts..

 

[Ferzerp]

From what i have seen, a single core of FX @ 4.8 Ghz is roughly the performance of a 4.0-4.2 Ghz phenom II core. You can argue as much as you want about this being crappy, but i know it is good enough for most people .

Good enough for most people is not in question. Sure it is, but it does not exist in a vacuum. Put it beside the intel offerings, and your options are good enough for most people, or spend less for faster than "good enough for most people". No informed buyer would chose it over the alternative. It's competition is faster and cheaper, or much faster for similar price, or much, much faster for more money.

 

[Ferzerp]

They are quite experts in epicycles..

You really have no concept of why I referenced that term, do you?

 

[Abwx]

Good enough for most people is not in question. Sure it is, but it does not exist in a vacuum. Put it beside the intel offerings, and you options are good enough for most people, or less for faster than "good enough for most people". No informed buyer would chose it over the alternative. It's competition is faster and cheaper, or much faster for similar price, or much, much faster for more money.

Be assured that the non informed buyer will not be ripped out
of his money.

Nothing like the P4 era...

 

[Abwx]

You really have no concept of why I referenced that term, do you?

Does it matter , really ?..
Since we are supposed to talk tech gears it was OT anyway ,
so my understanding and eventual answer are of no importance as well...

 

[Maximilian]

You should calm down with the medics..

Second intel adorator that ressort to insults in a few posts..

- You don't listen to reason
- You have zero logic
- You cant read benchmarks/charts
- You spew AMD marketing trash with your *its good at 7zip* bench

Theres nothing left to do apart from insult you, there's no debate or discussion that can be had with you, im sorry to say you are a complete moron lol.

 

[Ferzerp]

In Ptolomaic system, the earth was considered to be the center of the universe. Obviously, the celestial bodies' movement didn't really support this view at all. Instead of thinking that perhaps the model was incorrect and accepting what the evidence was showing them, thinkers of that time instead dogmatically held to their belief and invented bizarre concepts to try to force reality to fit in with their warped views. When the data didn't support the claims at all, they decided that not only do heavenly bodies orbit the earth, but instead, they have tiny orbits around a center point that happens to orbit around the earth. The motion still really didn't fit, and later on they started layering more and more epicycles on top of one another trying to railroad reality into the incorrect view that they maintained.

Eventually Copernicus came along and pointed out the insanity of it all and showed that if the Earth and other planets orbit the sun, the model is nice and neat, and has no bizarre behavior.

When someone holds dogmatically to a bizarre view despite all evidence and comes up with excuses (that benchmark is intel biased! it is futureproof! no that benchmark is bad because I want one that uses more threads!) to maintain that view, they are doing the same exact thing that Ptolomaic astronomers did. Sadly, no matter how badly the astronomers wanted to make their incorrect view work, nothing can trump observable fact.

Of course the standard story (which I have given above) is somewhat apocryphal, but the concept is of great value, regardless, and for that reason it remains in use today.

 

[Maximilian]

Also its worth noting... both the OP of this thread and Abwx

- Have the same level of English (passable but a bit crap)
- Both are fanatical about bulldozer
- Both post similar benchmarks *omg guise lookk at 7zip!!1*
- Both are relatively new joiners

From the looks of it Abwx has spent a massive amount of his time here tooting bulldozers horn:

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?searchid=56968&pp=25&page=20

Maybe a bit of alt accounts going on here :sneaky:

 

[Rvenger]

Also its worth noting... both the OP of this thread and Abwx

- Have the same level of English (passable but a bit crap)
- Both are fanatical about bulldozer
- Both post similar benchmarks *omg guise lookk at 7zip!!1*
- Both are relatively new joiners

From the looks of it Abwx has spent a massive amount of his time here tooting bulldozers horn:

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?searchid=56968&pp=25&page=20

Maybe a bit of alt accounts going on here :sneaky:

Cmon, bulldozer isn't that bad. :sneaky:

 

[Dark Shroud]

Here's Anand's latest bench with the patches for Bulldozer.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5448/the-bulldozer-scheduling-patch-tested/2

For the price points I don't feel Bulldozer is a rip off and I'm glad they're selling with good reviews on Newegg. Yes it's a new arch that is forward thinking. The question how much of a performance increase will we see with Piledriver.

What I find pathetic is the way everyone acts like the FX line is complete trash. Then recommend Intel at a much higher cost. Even when people have set budgets and a Core i3 will not be as good as a FX-4100 in real world scenarios.

 

[Abwx]

- You don't listen to reason
- You have zero logic
- You cant read benchmarks/charts
- You spew AMD marketing trash with your *its good at 7zip* bench

If you knew how to a read chart you wouldnt come always
with the same song..
Only you insist that it do well only in winzip..

 

[polyzp]

Good enough for most people is not in question. Sure it is, but it does not exist in a vacuum. Put it beside the intel offerings, and your options are good enough for most people, or spend less for faster than "good enough for most people". No informed buyer would chose it over the alternative. It's competition is faster and cheaper, or much faster for similar price, or much, much faster for more money.

http://legitreviews.com/article/1838/1/

seems like most people like the "feel" of bulldozer more .. it really comes down to this if you are "most people"


Again, a test like this would have been more credible with more test subjects.

 

[Abwx]

Also its worth noting... both the OP of this thread and Abwx

- Have the same level of English (passable but a bit crap)
- Both are fanatical about bulldozer
- Both post similar benchmarks *omg guise lookk at 7zip!!1*
- Both are relatively new joiners

From the looks of it Abwx has spent a massive amount of his time here tooting bulldozers horn:

http://forums.anandtech.com/search.php?searchid=56968&pp=25&page=20

Maybe a bit of alt accounts going on here :sneaky:

Your post are a pile of trash with no argument other
than personnal attacks and downplaying, nothing else...

A fool that takes himself seriously...

 

[polyzp]

- You don't listen to reason
- You have zero logic
- You cant read benchmarks/charts
- You spew AMD marketing trash with your *its good at 7zip* bench

Theres nothing left to do apart from insult you, there's no debate or discussion that can be had with you, im sorry to say you are a complete moron lol.

Lets cut the flame war guys, no need for trash talking keep things constructive! If there's any other benchmark you want me to run, I will be more than happy to! We are all adults here.

 

[Rvenger]

Did you post BF3 yet? Multiplayer 64player map. Seems like a lot of chips are having trouble keeping over 60fps on the 64 player maps.

 

[polyzp]

I want to figure out a way to systematically test BF3 to compare with other CPUS / GPUS. So far tomshardware has a good method, but I am not quite sure how to get to this level. any ideas?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-2.html

 

[Rvenger]

Yes, run MSI after burner to detect GPU usage. Heres a link to help you. IMHO you really don't need a comparison, you just need to see if there is a bottleneck on the CPU.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1196856/official-amd-radeon-hd-7950-7970-owners-club/2440

 

[Ferzerp]

http://legitreviews.com/article/1838/1/

seems like most people like the "feel" of bulldozer more .. it really comes down to this if you are "most people"


Again, a test like this would have been more credible with more test subjects.

There are no details on the testing methodology beyond hardware specs. We don't know if the software configuration is the same. They don't even suggest that the contents of each system was hidden from the individuals polled (which isn't even a single blind test in that case, much less the standard double blind methodology needed for something like this). On top of all that, we don't have the most representative set (It was at an AMD schmooze event....)

We have a preponderance of objective empirical evidence (collected by many, many individuals/groups) that suggests one conclusion, and a single instance of subjective surveying by a party with a direct interest in a specific result where we don't have a full accounting of testing methodology but do know that the sample set was pulled from an AMD biased group of individuals that suggests another.

Which data would any rational individual feel is likely faulty?

 

[polyzp]

If that's true then that would compromise the entire premise of the experiment. I assume the subjects could not easily determine if the system they used was AMD or Intel, and that the event was held on the basis that it shouldn't be. But you are correct that they dont really give too many details on their methodology past the CPU and GPU specs. In the end I think that really is what matters. Unless they messed with the drivers .. which could be a possibility well never know.

 

[Maximilian]

Blah blah blah i <3 AMD, i will marry one day!!!

Yeah keep on trolling guy :thumbsup:

 

[Abwx]

Yeah , misquoting people as an argument and then talking of trolling..

Go play with your sub par CPU and stop polluting this thread...