Return of AMD FX: My OC'd AMD FX 8150 with OC'd 6990 Review - First Results Up!

[Maximilian]

Pretty favorable. Right? :whiste:

Nope but these certainly are:

A good shill should try to maintain a sense of realism.

Like "hey guys bulldozer has its faults but its pretty good at most things have a look"

Not like "hey guys bulldozer wtfpwns every other cpu out there check it!!"

Otherwise noone will listen. Which is what this guy may be doing, maintaining realism. Those of us who know how to read/understand graphs from the umpteen reviews out there already know it sucks. Additional benches don't show squat.

 

[busydude]

Nope but these certainly are:

Umm, no.

 

[Maximilian]

Umm, no.

Umm, yeah.

 

[Dravic]

Well if you just joined out of nowhere and started spewing favourable benchmarks from your new FX8150 "Scorpious Gaming rig - ON AIR!!!!!" then yeah.

Maybe its the fact that while slower then the Intel offering it's still interesting to see where the 8150 sits when paired with a high end card.

Show me where the OP is saying the 8150 is faster or better then the intel offings, or showing misleading benchmarks that are not true of BD's performance. Its not the fastest but its not the utter trash people are making it to be either.

It sucks, there's some info. Also FX8120 would have been a better buy if you were 100% set on bulldozer. If you were not then any X6 or i5 CPU would have been a better buy. If you bought it for the shiny metal box to store cakes or bread or whatever then forget what i said, bulldozer has the edge in cake storage.

How is the FX 8120 a better buy if its going to be a non overclock linux vm workstation/server in the long term (next upgrade cycle) and 3.1ghz vs 3.6ghz is a %16 diff right off the bat? Not everyone uses there systems just for gaming. The game I play most currently is BF3, and it plays that game great. I'll grab Diablo III when it comes out, and cant imaging a 8150 at 4.67ghz not playing it well at 19x12.

Hardware that is garbage on release generally does not get better with time. If its just the architecture then wait for piledriver it may improve things. For the here and now, what we have today is a pretty lousy set of CPU's.

I referred to the architecture not this exact model. I don't expect much to effect the 8150's performance other then a few mufti core (4+) updates to some software along the way. I was talking about where AMD is heading over time with this design. BD and it variants are here to stay. Let hope they find out how to make this dog hunt or we are all screwed.

Power and heat output are a bit out of control, but if i was worried about that i wouldn't have been running a PH II 1055T @ 3.8ghz with overclocked CF 4890's before this rig.

My linux workstation is now my previous gaming rig, and I want to stay 6 cores or more for VM's and additional security software (nexpose community edition alone requires 4 cores and 8 gigs of ram by itself) going forward.

My best choices i felt were 3930k + Mobo for ~$1000, or the the FX 8150 + Mobo + 7970 for ~$1030 which allowed me to replace my 4890's as one started failing.

 

[busydude]

Umm, yeah.

The first two benches are GPU based. Who said they knew how to read charts? :whiste:

 

[Maximilian]

The first two benches are GPU based. Who said they knew how to read charts? :whiste:

Heh learn to read between the lines, i cant be bothered explaining it to you :\

In fact AMD used the very same tactic in their youtube promos for FX chips to try and make them look good vs intel. Most gamers laughed, obviously you were suckered in.

 

[Maximilian]

Maybe its the fact that while slower then the Intel offering it's still interesting to see where the 8150 sits when paired with a high end card.

Yes it is, heres a much better more consistent look at it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120.html

Ill sum it up in one sentence. Bulldozer heavily bottlenecks high end cards compared to the intel offering.

Show me where the OP is saying the 8150 is faster or better then the intel offings, or showing misleading benchmarks that are not true of BD's performance. Its not the fastest but its not the utter trash people are making it to be either.

Read the graphs, a picture says more than 1000 words, he is doing the same crap AMD did initially, comparing FX to an i7 980 from years ago. The charts which do not compare to the 980 are things like 7zip which is the only thing BD is genuinely good at. Any legit review site will tell the full story.

How is the FX 8120 a better buy if its going to be a non overclock linux vm workstation/server in the long term (next upgrade cycle) and 3.1ghz vs 3.6ghz is a %16 diff right off the bat? Not everyone uses there systems just for gaming. The game I play most currently is BF3, and it plays that game great. I'll grab Diablo III when it comes out, and cant imaging a 8150 at 4.67ghz not playing it well at 19x12.

You say non-overclock then say you will overclock it? Bulldozer IPC is so low that 500mhz or 16% as you put it wont mean jack in the long run, its not as if in the future people with a stock 8120 will say "oh man this cpu is great but if only it was 500mhz faster!!" No the 8120 is a superior buy, 8150 is an overpriced POS.

I referred to the architecture not this exact model. I don't expect much to effect the 8150's performance other then a few mufti core (4+) updates to some software along the way. I was talking about where AMD is heading over time with this design. BD and it variants are here to stay. Let hope they find out how to make this dog hunt or we are all screwed.

Yes bulldozer is here to stay, the design in the long run may be a winner or it could be AMD's pentium 4 but that remains to be seen, piledriver will give us all a good idea of where AMD is going with this.

 

[Rvenger]

Yeah and the 2500k is bottlenecking more than you think. Im getting really close on pulling the trigger on an FX8120 to see what all the fuss is about. I just don't have the cash to dump on a 7970.
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1669367

 

[busydude]

Most gamers laughed, obviously you were suckered in.

Suckered in? LOL. I don't even own a BD, I am happy with my Phenom II X4.

You don't have to get all riled up over this.

 

[Dravic]

Yes it is, heres a much better more consistent look at it:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120.html

Ill sum it up in one sentence. Bulldozer heavily bottlenecks high end cards compared to the intel offering.

... that article doesn't even include the 8150.. should I charge you with being intentionally deceitful..? of course not. I'm pretty sure anyone clicking on a link about the 8150 and the 6990 are curious about it in this situation (paired with a higher end GPU). We know the FX line isn't as fast at the current Intel line. That's not what this is about. There is no need for people to come into every BD thread and let us know how much slower it is at slightly threaded to single thread apps because of its poorer IPC.

You say non-overclock then say you will overclock it? Bulldozer IPC is so low that 500mhz or 16% as you put it wont mean jack in the long run, its not as if in the future people with a stock 8120 will say "oh man this cpu is great but if only it was 500mhz faster!!" No the 8120 is a superior buy, 8150 is an overpriced POS.

Sorry that should have been a separate paragraph. I'll try and segment my ideas better next time...

I tried to say that in a few years it will move to my Linux workstation where it will not be overclocked. There the 16% difference between the 8120 and 8150 over 8 cores in highly mufti threaded apps will make a BIG difference. The slightly higher binning to overclock as my current windows box for games and fun stuff has helped to off set its poor stock performance if I could put up with the heat and power consumption. Which I have decided I can.

 

[Maximilian]

Suckered in? LOL. I don't even own a BD, I am happy with my Phenom II X4.

You don't have to get all riled up over this.

Whos riled up? All im saying is you don't seem to know when you are being fed bullshit

... that article doesn't even include the 8150.. should I charge you with being intentionally deceitful..? of course not. I'm pretty sure anyone clicking on a link about the 8150 and the 6990 are curious about it in this situation (paired with a higher end GPU). We know the FX line isn't as fast at the current Intel line. That's not what this is about. There is no need for people to come into every BD thread and let us know how much slower it is at slightly threaded to single thread apps because of its poorer IPC.

Nope but it does have an 8120 overclocked to 4.2ghz (remember what i said about 8120/8150 being the same thing?) which gets whooped by a lowly i3.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-9.html

Well fair enough but this thread didn't really start as a discussion of BD architecture, where its going etc, it started more along the lines of omfg look at mai new BD rig u guise its not as crap as u all say!!!111 Which I find rather questionable because of the abundance of reviews/benchmarks that state the exact opposite. Not to mention the OP's comparing of FX chips to gulftown, same lousy marketing tactic AMD used to hype up BD after launch and make it seem good. Lousy from an enthusiasts perspective, from a business perspective yeah makes sense.

Sorry that should have been a separate paragraph. I'll try and segment my ideas better next time...

I tried to say that in a few years it will move to my Linux workstation where it will not be overclocked. There the 16% difference between the 8120 and 8150 over 8 cores in highly mufti threaded apps will make a BIG difference. The slightly higher binning to overclock as my current windows box for games and fun stuff has helped to off set its poor stock performance if I could put up with the heat and power consumption. Which I have decided I can.

Okay but the 8120 will almost certainly reach 3.6ghz with a simple multiplier adjustment. Making it effectively an 8150 as there is no other difference between the two chips and the better binning is questionable. Plenty of potential FX 8150s may have been branded 8120's due to demand etc and there are probably 8120's that overclock better than 8150s, better model number dosent always mean better chip. Glad you're happy with your purchase and all but overall the 8120 is a better buy, same amount of cores, same cache, same features, can reach same speed easily.

 

[busydude]

Whos riled up?

At least, I am not the one who is swearing.

 

[Maximilian]

At least, I am not the one who is swearing.

Eyes bleeding are they? :awe:

 

[Dravic]

Okay but the 8120 will almost certainly reach 3.6ghz with a simple multiplier adjustment. Making it effectively an 8150 as there is no other difference between the two chips and the better binning is questionable. Plenty of potential FX 8150s may have been branded 8120's due to demand etc and there are probably 8120's that overclock better than 8150s, better model number dosent always mean better chip. Glad you're happy with your purchase and all but overall the 8120 is a better buy, same amount of cores, same cache, same features, can reach same speed easily.

I don't overclock things that make me money

 

[AdamK47]

This covert marketing hysteria is hysterical.

Edit: Although I do agree that a lot of what's posted by the OP here and with his other new accounts on other forums does fall well into the realm of suspicious.

 

[Maximilian]

This covert marketing hysteria is hysterical.

Edit: Although I do agree that a lot of what's posted by the OP here and with his other new accounts on other forums does fall well into the realm of suspicious.

I never actually thought of checking for that, yeah it looks like hes spammed the same stuff at several other forums. And on quick inspection the people there just like the ones here welcomed him with open arms :\

 

[AdamK47]

You would think a real enthusiast would already be registered on at least one enthusiast centered website. Not just come out of the blue everywhere at once. The posts made under the new accounts are only within the "Return of AMD FX" threads. A real person would show the human side of themselves on forums with other topical postings. These accounts seem too synthetic.

 

[gramboh]

You would think a real enthusiast would already be registered on at least one enthusiast centered website. Not just come out of the blue everywhere at once. The posts made under the new accounts are only within the "Return of AMD FX" threads. A real person would show the human side of themselves on forums with other topical postings. These accounts seem too synthetic.

Hmm good point. Links to this guy posting on other forums with same data?

 

[Maximilian]

Hmm good point. Links to this guy posting on other forums with same data?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=polyzp+return+of+amd+fx

 

[Rvenger]

Wow, this guy is posting everywhere! Probably more but I gave up at 10.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=356815
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums...50-6990-review-Check-in-Daily-for-New-Results!
http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=696371&page=1
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...fx-8150-ocd-6990-review-first-results-up.html
http://forums.overclockersclub.com/index.php?showtopic=189505&st=0
http://www.overclock.net/t/1194469/...50-6990-review-check-in-daily-for-new-results
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/322765-28-return-8150-review-results
http://www.hardwareheaven.com/hardw...fx-8150-ocd-6990-review-first-results-up.html
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5983
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1663621

Actually, he is being very responsive in the other forums and answering everyone's questions. OCN has taken a liking to him. I don't see an issue anymore. I am still waiting for piledriver regardless

 

[Abwx]

The intel suckers trolling all the way....

Does it matter that the guy posted in a lot of forums.?...

 

[Rvenger]

It got locked down at Tom's.

 

[Maximilian]

The intel suckers trolling all the way....

Does it matter that the guy posted in a lot of forums.?...

Lmfao :awe:

You know what a spambot is? It goes from forum to forum posting some pre determined garbage.

Shill marketer does a similar job. Not to mention what adam said earlier, if this guy was legit he would have a "main" forum of sorts or behave more like an enthusiast rather than a shill and a lazy obvious shill at that.

 

[Rvenger]

Maximilian, is it just me or is he modding other's graphs to compare his results?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

The intel suckers trolling all the way....

Does it matter that the guy posted in a lot of forums.?...

If you're gonna boast about your setup when it's overpriced prepare to get criticized. In terms of platform cost, the difference between a 2600K and 8150 setup is minimal at best yet the performance difference is significant, sometimes staggering. With the 2500K the performance difference is not as big, but the 2500K is still markedly faster.