Return 6800 GT or x800 XT PE???

[ctk1981]

Flip a coin. heads you keep the XT PE. Tails you keep the GT. Either way I dont think you would be entire dissappointed with either one. I went with a eVGA GT so I had the option of stepping up to the Ultra in case I felt the need too. Plus it saved me 100 dollars and got me the Far Cry game for the moment. I was a former ATi user (since the Radeon 2 days) and decided to give nVidia a shot this time around.

What I think is going to be interesting is down the road. Will 3dc take off....or how about SM3? As more games utilize the Doom3 engine (one was recently announced, I forget which one though?) how will the ATi cards hold up? Can they get their OpenGL drivers together? How about nVidia.....will they pull out a fantastic driver that vastly improves the performance of the 6800 series of cards?

I say flip the coin and dont look back. Just play your games and enjoy what you are seeing as either one will probably get the job done.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Jim:

So the one day you preach honesty and integrity to little children that RMAing their cards and the next you actually advice him to sell his card at Ebay to an unsuspected child(this IS a possibility except the arrogant little pricks that pay so much to get them now) so that he can profit from it?

I didn't advise him to sell his card to an "unsuspected child"? What are you talking about?!

How many kids have $800 or $900 to spend on a video card? There's nothing dishonest or unethical about selling something that's in limited supply for a high price on Ebay.

If someone is dumb enough to pay it, when they know full well what MSRP is, they pretty much deserve to get it for that price.

Beyond that, you are imposing a middle class value system on the buyer that may not apply. If $900 is pocket change to you, why not pay it to have the video card you want? If you don't think you're getting a bad deal, who's to say you are?

The only way it would be unethical is if he misrepresented it.

From the moment you advice him to sell his card to make a profit, you are being unethical.
If you as you preach, like good manners and integrity you shouldn't advice him to sell his card to someone on EBAY to make a profit from it. That doesn't make you any better than these childs you blame and accuse all the time.
Even if a little child has the money to spend because it wants right now a high end gpu, you shouldn't advice him to do that. That's INDEED UNETHICAL because you are taking advantage of a little child that doesn't know how money are being earned. You of all as a family man should know that better.
Is this what your son/daughter want to do 2morrow? Sell in black market for profit?

 

[zpapasmurf]

Originally posted by: ckellly81
Flip a coin. heads you keep the XT PE. Tails you keep the GT. Either way I dont think you would be entire dissappointed with either one. I went with a eVGA GT so I had the option of stepping up to the Ultra in case I felt the need too. Plus it saved me 100 dollars and got me the Far Cry game for the moment. I was a former ATi user (since the Radeon 2 days) and decided to give nVidia a shot this time around.

What I think is going to be interesting is down the road. Will 3dc take off....or how about SM3? As more games utilize the Doom3 engine (one was recently announced, I forget which one though?) how will the ATi cards hold up? Can they get their OpenGL drivers together? How about nVidia.....will they pull out a fantastic driver that vastly improves the performance of the 6800 series of cards?

I say flip the coin and dont look back. Just play your games and enjoy what you are seeing as either one will probably get the job done.

I got the eVGA 6800 too and I love it. As a previous 9800pro owner i dont miss anything that ATI offered nor is there anything that special about this nvidia card that ATI doesnt offer.

This might sound retarted, im a little out of the loop, but what does "VIVO" mean?

Anyone know what the use of the Mpeg2 encoder/decoder on the 6800s are? Like can WMP or any other media player use them right now? If I encode video in mpeg2 using tmpgenc will it utilize the mpeg2 encoder on the card?

I guess I dont understand what the mpeg2 chip thingy is doing for me? I heard it mentioned when the cards were first released but nothing really ever came from it.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well VIVO stands for VIdeo In/ Video Out.... like you can hok up a video camera to your computer and edit the film and all that good stuff.

The Encoder/Decoder IIRC will work in all programs that need encoding decoding, as long as you have the 65.32 drivers or later.

-Kevin

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well Ackmed actually you did flame someone. Stop your blabbering doesn't exactly have anything to do with this thread last time i checked. Yes i said bite me... im not a little kid, did you want me to just soak it in and cry my heart out?? Heck no! Ackmed i just asked a question... i specifically said in the post no flames just wanted to know... yet what do you do post crap like that!!

Now can we please get this thread back on topic and stop everyone flaming everyone.

-Kevin

1. I wasnt talking to you.
2. Saying that blabbering about a card that he doesnt have coming, its a flame.
3. Stop trying to be an armchair mod.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well i was the one who asked qbout another card and your post was directed at the person who posted questioning another card. So wouldn't that be me??

Im not trying to be a "mod" i dont want to be a mod... flame wars and people who just talk crap just get annoying and draw away from the thread.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Jim:

If you as you preach, like good manners and integrity you shouldn't advice him to sell his card to someone on EBAY to make a profit from it. That doesn't make you any better than these childs you blame and accuse all the time.
Even if a little child has the money to spend because it wants right now a high end gpu, you shouldn't advice him to do that. That's INDEED UNETHICAL because you are taking advantage of a little child that doesn't know how money are being earned. You of all as a family man should know that better.
Is this what your son/daughter want to do 2morrow? Sell in black market for profit?

Dude, are you nuts?

I don't know where you're getting this "defrauding little children" stuff.

The difference between selling something rare for a profit and intentionally voiding a warranty then using it seems pretty clear to me?

Is it unethical when the 3dfx employees sold their engineering samples of V5 6Ks for a $1000 Jim?

Is it unethical when someone pays $300 for that purple Beanie Baby bear Jim?

Is it unethical when a collector sells a stamp or comic book for more than he paid for it Jim?

Is it unethical when a hot new car (e.g. last Thunderbird, new VW bug, PT Cruiser) sells for a few thousand more than it costs Jim?

Jeez wake up and smell the coffee. Ebay is not the "black market" and every day of your life people are selling things for more than they're worth if they're in the fortunate position of owning something that's in short supply and high demand.

 

[gururu]

So is the OP ever going to tell us which card he kept? Has he gotten the cards yet?

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Creig -
Every time I post, you hop in with some pointless slander, flaming me for no reason whatsoever.

So now you're starting to know what it feels when YOU pointlessly slander and flame OTHER people. Annoying, isn't it?

What are you doing in this thread anyway? Giving us the perspective of the man with the 9500? Uh huh.

Ah, so once again, Rollo is better because HIS card is newer/faster. :roll: Grow up, Rollo. The only reason I haven't upgraded to something newer is that I'm waiting for PCI-E. Plus the fact that my modded 9500 is running faster than a 9700 Pro. It had no problem running Far Cry with all settings at either Very High or High. Doom 3 I could care less about. So there's been no significant reason for me to upgrade yet.

Say what you want about me- but I belong in this post more than you. Why?

A. I own one of the two cards in question, so I at least have some clue about the performance I'm posting about.

What does owning a card have anything to do with having a clue about the card? Owning a card does not automatically endow its owner with knowledge. There are a lot of people out there who own X800XT PE's and 6800U's who know practically nothing about them. So try again.

B. This is a choice I actually made. I can easily afford either or both of these cards. I took the 6800GT (although I did try to order an Ultra at the time as well) for the reasons I've already mentioned. If I would have had the added incentive of huge profits on the PE in hand, I would have made the same choice.

Yes, we KNOW you can easily afford either card. You keep telling us over and over about it. We're happy for you. Really.

What are you here to tell us? What you'd do if you actually ever bought some high end parts?

And once again, Rollo is equating Money with Importance. Everybody bow down before Rollo!! HE has a 6800GT!!

I've been on the leading edge of technology a few times myself, Rollo. I had one of the first KT133 mobos released, I had an AMD MP1600+ before AMD even acknowledged the existence of MP processors, I currently have a DFI LanParty motherboard, AMD 2500+ running at 3200+, a gig of Mushkin Level II, a ThermalTake V1000A case with a Koolance water cooling setup swapped in and an Antec TruePower 550w power supply.

That enough "high end" parts for you, Rollo?

The post you pointlessly flamed me for was flaming no one- only a sarcastic style of writing. If you don't like it, maybe you should stick to writing essays on how to softmod low end parts. I can guarantee you I'll never be troubling you in those, because I wouldn't bother.

And yet ONCE AGAIN, Rollo is equating Money with Importance. Rollo wouldn't DARE muddy his shoes wandering into a thread that mentioned anything less than the absolute newest equipment.

So the only people WORTHY of Rollos time are those with Money. What a shallow attitude.




So now I'm going to do a bit of ranting Rollo, so sit back and enjoy.

I've been a member/contributor to Anandtech ever since it was founded. It was started so those people into computer hardware could meet, compare systems and help each other with any problems they might run into. Which were plenty, in those days. The main reason I came to Anandtech and stayed was because of The Man himself, Anand.

Back then, the only name you saw on articles was Anand Lal Shimpi. I was thoroughly impressed by not only the technical knowledge this young kid possessed, but also his writing ability. His articles were well written, easily comprehensible and appealed to computer enthusiasts of all skill levels. He was also a regular participant in the forums back then.

Even in the forums, Anand was always polite, courteous and helpful. EVERYTHING WHICH YOU ARE NOT!!! You seem to revel in stirring up flame wars, take pleasure in taunting other members and enjoy insulting people who have "lesser" hardware than yourself. I don't know why you are the way you are and could care less.

I've tried ignoring your endless insult spewing but as you seem to LIVE in the Video forums and post in every third thread it's impossible. You view your continuous stream of hatred as "Free Speech", but the rest of us see it as a never ending river of garbage.

So until you stop harrassing other members and learn to keep your mouth under control, I will keep throwing back all the CRAP that you're hurling at me and everybody else.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Jim:

If you as you preach, like good manners and integrity you shouldn't advice him to sell his card to someone on EBAY to make a profit from it. That doesn't make you any better than these childs you blame and accuse all the time.
Even if a little child has the money to spend because it wants right now a high end gpu, you shouldn't advice him to do that. That's INDEED UNETHICAL because you are taking advantage of a little child that doesn't know how money are being earned. You of all as a family man should know that better.
Is this what your son/daughter want to do 2morrow? Sell in black market for profit?

Dude, are you nuts?

I don't know where you're getting this "defrauding little children" stuff.

The difference between selling something rare for a profit and intentionally voiding a warranty then using it seems pretty clear to me?

Is it unethical when the 3dfx employees sold their engineering samples of V5 6Ks for a $1000 Jim?

Is it unethical when someone pays $300 for that purple Beanie Baby bear Jim?

Is it unethical when a collector sells a stamp or comic book for more than he paid for it Jim?

Is it unethical when a hot new car (e.g. last Thunderbird, new VW bug, PT Cruiser) sells for a few thousand more than it costs Jim?

Jeez wake up and smell the coffee. Ebay is not the "black market" and every day of your life people are selling things for more than they're worth if they're in the fortunate position of owning something that's in short supply and high demand.

We aren't talking about a collector's item that you can actually appreciate and bid for it in order to have it.
We are talkin about ppl that stoping us from obtaining goods at market prices just because they can control a large amount of a rare product. And when every single individual does that then he's no better than these black marketeers.
He's actually helping this economic fraud circulate and us from obtaining the products out there.
And thanks I don't need an economic lecture on the issue neither I'm the good man that wouldn't do that.
You are the one that preaches good manners and all these things you mentioned that happen everyday are indeed unethical and deep inside you, you know that.
Just because free market "legitimazes" this kind of selling and generally trading doesn't nessecarilly mean that is ethical too.
And when you take the extreme point of view and you're being so sensitive and accuse the children of voiding warranties(because you pay from your pocket that fraud) you shouldn't take the other extreme when facing such an issue and you intentionally ignore everything.

 

[nRollo]

Creig:

It's nice you like to pretend that you are a mod.

It's nice that you like Anand.




None of the above excuses you from flaming for something as petty as my style of writing. You are not a mod. You are not my teacher grading an essay. You are a grown man (sort of) who's made it his self appointed job to flame me anywhere you see me posting. Sort of pathetic.

It's a free country, you are welcome to do so.

P.S. Note my use of the cookie smiley above! You'd better flame me for the sarcasm "Special Self Appointed Mod" Creig!

 

[nRollo]

Jim:

We aren't talking about a collector's item that you can actually appreciate and bid for it in order to have it.
We are talkin about ppl that stoping us from obtaining goods at market prices just because they can control a large amount of a rare product. And when every single individual does that then he's no better than these black marketeers.
He's actually helping this economic fraud circulate and us from obtaining the products out there.

Errr, nice try, but the OP isn't part of some conspiracy to keep PEs off the market at MSRP. He's no different than a guy who ordered a Dodge Viper when they came out, was lucky enough to get one, and sells it for $10K more than they cost because to some people the "thrill" of owning rare things is worth more than the money.

No children are involved either.

 

[imported_obsidian]

Jeez some people take this a little too seriously. Rollo offered a perfectly good idea. Enough with this BS of it being unethical. Unethical by definition is "not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior." Since when has buying low and selling high been unethical. Rollo is saying that yes, the XT-PE is faster. Just maybe not $150+ faster. If you don't like living in a country where the economy is driven by supply and demand I would suggest moving.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

This thread sux. Now to the OP, :camera: or ban!!!

 

[nRollo]

BTW Creig- nice job setting an example for your six year old!

"You see honey, when you don't like the way some expresses themself, let's say you consider their sarcasm unpleasant, make it your life's mission to make them express themself in ways you find acceptable. The Creig family has a solemn responsibility to make sure everyone thinks and acts just like us!"

LOL

Sieg Heil!

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
BTW Creig- nice job setting an example for your six year old!

"You see honey, when you don't like the way some expresses themself, let's say you consider their sarcasm unpleasant, make it your life's mission to make them express themself in ways you find acceptable. The Creig family has a solemn responsibility to make sure everyone thinks and acts just like us!"

LOL

Sieg Heil!

Just couldn't let it drop, could you Rollo? Your anti-social attitude is gonna get you the boot from here sooner or later. Then we'll see who has the last "LOL".

 

[Bumrush99]

Driver Heaven review

I know some people think that site is biased.. That being said, the X800 XT PE tramples all over the Ultra in all the games except for Doom 3. If you want to play in high rez with AA/AF enabled you need to go with the X800 series.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Jim:

We aren't talking about a collector's item that you can actually appreciate and bid for it in order to have it.
We are talkin about ppl that stoping us from obtaining goods at market prices just because they can control a large amount of a rare product. And when every single individual does that then he's no better than these black marketeers.
He's actually helping this economic fraud circulate and us from obtaining the products out there.

Errr, nice try, but the OP isn't part of some conspiracy to keep PEs off the market at MSRP. He's no different than a guy who ordered a Dodge Viper when they came out, was lucky enough to get one, and sells it for $10K more than they cost because to some people the "thrill" of owning rare things is worth more than the money.

No children are involved either.

Look to end this. Of course he isn't involved in some kind of black market conspiracy. But when you,me and everyone else is doing the same thing as they do we are no better. They just have the funds to do something bigger than us. So stop preaching other ppl not to return their cards unless you confront to all ethical issues. There's no such thing as big and small fraud. Either you commit it or not.

Jeez some people take this a little too seriously. Rollo offered a perfectly good idea. Enough with this BS of it being unethical. Unethical by definition is "not conforming to approved standards of social or professional behavior." Since when has buying low and selling high been unethical. Rollo is saying that yes, the XT-PE is faster. Just maybe not $150+ faster. If you don't like living in a country where the economy is driven by supply and demand I would suggest moving.

I explained the reasons you might as well read all posts before you make one yourself commenting on something. And I would do the same I'm no idiot or a "saint". I just don't stand that attitude from ppl that preach ethics in some circumstances and in other they just believe that it's a perfectly normal thing to do.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: jim1976
I explained the reasons you might as well read all posts before you make one yourself commenting on something. And I would do the same I'm no idiot or a "saint". I just don't stand that attitude from ppl that preach ethics in some circumstances and in other they just believe that it's a perfectly normal thing to do.

However, I don't think its such an ethical dilemma since the OP obviously wanted the card and wasn't out to scam anyone. Should he decide to sell it, I don't think asking more than he paid is too bad, since he is going to have to go through the trouble of selling/dealing/shipping it, all of which take time. Not to mention the effort he may have spent early on in snagging the purchase. I think its a sound option, considering the alternative is selling the GT at probably lower than the price he paid, since they are easier to get on the market. That would royally suck!

Besides, i think Rollo's estimations were a bit generous at +350!!!

 

[kylebisme]

The who argument about selling it for a hefty profit is rather moot anyway as you can pick one up from an online distributor for retail price now.

 

[jim1976]

I rest my case. I said I would have done the same thing if I was in his shoes. But then again I wouldn't preach ethics and criticize others in any other case. It's a little bit hypocritical don't you think?

 

[fsstrike]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
Creig -
Every time I post, you hop in with some pointless slander, flaming me for no reason whatsoever.

So now you're starting to know what it feels when YOU pointlessly slander and flame OTHER people. Annoying, isn't it?

What are you doing in this thread anyway? Giving us the perspective of the man with the 9500? Uh huh.

Ah, so once again, Rollo is better because HIS card is newer/faster. :roll: Grow up, Rollo. The only reason I haven't upgraded to something newer is that I'm waiting for PCI-E. Plus the fact that my modded 9500 is running faster than a 9700 Pro. It had no problem running Far Cry with all settings at either Very High or High. Doom 3 I could care less about. So there's been no significant reason for me to upgrade yet.

Say what you want about me- but I belong in this post more than you. Why?

A. I own one of the two cards in question, so I at least have some clue about the performance I'm posting about.

What does owning a card have anything to do with having a clue about the card? Owning a card does not automatically endow its owner with knowledge. There are a lot of people out there who own X800XT PE's and 6800U's who know practically nothing about them. So try again.

B. This is a choice I actually made. I can easily afford either or both of these cards. I took the 6800GT (although I did try to order an Ultra at the time as well) for the reasons I've already mentioned. If I would have had the added incentive of huge profits on the PE in hand, I would have made the same choice.

Yes, we KNOW you can easily afford either card. You keep telling us over and over about it. We're happy for you. Really.

What are you here to tell us? What you'd do if you actually ever bought some high end parts?

And once again, Rollo is equating Money with Importance. Everybody bow down before Rollo!! HE has a 6800GT!!

I've been on the leading edge of technology a few times myself, Rollo. I had one of the first KT133 mobos released, I had an AMD MP1600+ before AMD even acknowledged the existence of MP processors, I currently have a DFI LanParty motherboard, AMD 2500+ running at 3200+, a gig of Mushkin Level II, a ThermalTake V1000A case with a Koolance water cooling setup swapped in and an Antec TruePower 550w power supply.

That enough "high end" parts for you, Rollo?

The post you pointlessly flamed me for was flaming no one- only a sarcastic style of writing. If you don't like it, maybe you should stick to writing essays on how to softmod low end parts. I can guarantee you I'll never be troubling you in those, because I wouldn't bother.

And yet ONCE AGAIN, Rollo is equating Money with Importance. Rollo wouldn't DARE muddy his shoes wandering into a thread that mentioned anything less than the absolute newest equipment.

So the only people WORTHY of Rollos time are those with Money. What a shallow attitude.




So now I'm going to do a bit of ranting Rollo, so sit back and enjoy.

I've been a member/contributor to Anandtech ever since it was founded. It was started so those people into computer hardware could meet, compare systems and help each other with any problems they might run into. Which were plenty, in those days. The main reason I came to Anandtech and stayed was because of The Man himself, Anand.

Back then, the only name you saw on articles was Anand Lal Shimpi. I was thoroughly impressed by not only the technical knowledge this young kid possessed, but also his writing ability. His articles were well written, easily comprehensible and appealed to computer enthusiasts of all skill levels. He was also a regular participant in the forums back then.

Even in the forums, Anand was always polite, courteous and helpful. EVERYTHING WHICH YOU ARE NOT!!! You seem to revel in stirring up flame wars, take pleasure in taunting other members and enjoy insulting people who have "lesser" hardware than yourself. I don't know why you are the way you are and could care less.

I've tried ignoring your endless insult spewing but as you seem to LIVE in the Video forums and post in every third thread it's impossible. You view your continuous stream of hatred as "Free Speech", but the rest of us see it as a never ending river of garbage.

So until you stop harrassing other members and learn to keep your mouth under control, I will keep throwing back all the CRAP that you're hurling at me and everybody else.

Rollo used to call me a "noob" for owning a GeForce3 and a p4 1.5. He also said I would never be able to afford a new computer anytime soon. No matter what you do, you can never win with rollo. And he will never admit he is wrong, just like he praised his 5800NU. Ill admit it myself, my x800pro isnt the best in the world but I got a great deal on it so I jumped on it. But im not going to "lie" to myself that the x800 is the God Almighty of video cards as Rollo did when he had his 5800NU.

 

[lordtyranus]

Did you trade a 6800 Ultra for that x800 Pro, fsstrike?

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Rollo
BTW Creig- nice job setting an example for your six year old!

"You see honey, when you don't like the way some expresses themself, let's say you consider their sarcasm unpleasant, make it your life's mission to make them express themself in ways you find acceptable. The Creig family has a solemn responsibility to make sure everyone thinks and acts just like us!"

LOL

Sieg Heil!

And WTF is up with his Nazi salute at the end of his post? How does that inflammatory salute add to the discussion?

 

[fsstrike]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus
Did you trade a 6800 Ultra for that x800 Pro, fsstrike?

I bought my x800pro for 500$ (approx 370$ US) Canadian STRAIGHT, which also came with a brand new Zalman Dual heat pipe in box. So I scored and thats why I bought it. Lets say I WASNT going to get a good deal, I would have bought the 6800GT now, or bought a XTPE in a month or 2.