Return 6800 GT or x800 XT PE???

[nRollo]

LT:

Can he? An XT is $460 at newegg. I agree with most of your assertions, but I don't see this $200 price difference. Unless you are trying to say than an XTPE is worth $150 over an XT. My guess is $350 and $450, respectively, would be reasonable sale points, and at $100 its a tossup IMO.

What I'm saying is if you do a search on "Completed" X800 XT PEs on Ebay, you'll see many sell for $550 and over, the last one for over $900..

There are only a handful of games out where the X800 XT PE is going to show a big advantage of a 6800GT. (at least a difference that's noticeable in game play) When you offset that with OpenGL/Doom3 GT advantage, it would be worth the likely $150+ price difference to own the GT to me. (he can keep his GT for the $400 he paid for it, sell the X800 XTPE for $550+ and have $150 or more in his pocket, $90+ of it profit)

If he lucks into some rich guy wanting to own the fastest, he could conceivably double his money. 2/3 sold went for over $800..

It definitely wouldn't be worth $300-$400 to me to have the difference in performance in those cards.

 

[elandys]

Man, this thread is full of cheap bastards............I would keep the X800 XT PE because is without a doubt the FASTEST card available, period.

 

[elandys]

Another thing, where did you find the card (X800XT PE) because i want to buy one!

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: elandys
Man, this thread is full of cheap bastards............I would keep the X800 XT PE because is without a doubt the FASTEST card available, period.

Period?

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page4.asp
Meh. It's fastest at 1/5 benchmarks, and that one only by .1 fps. Get's beat by 20-30fps in the 4 other benchmarks.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page5.asp
Meh. Only fastest at 1/5 again, although this time it's up to .5 fps better on the one it wins.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page6.asp">http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page6.asp</a>
Meh- it does win 3/5 here, but a lowly 3.9fps is the biggest margin. I see what you mean by "without a doubt" so far in this review it's won a whole third of the benchmarks! Woot! ATI domination!
LOL- the third it has won, we haven't cracked the gigantic 4fps barrier.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page7.asp
Wow. The rampaging ATI fury wins 1/4 benchmarks- by a whole .3 fps!

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page8.asp
2/4 at Splinter Cell, if you can call .1 fps a "victory". Nonetheless, the 7fps at 16X12 is it's biggest victory so far.
Up to 8/23 so far- dominance- if you call losing "winning" anyway.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page9.asp
No two ways about it, X800 XT PE owns Wallet Raider. Too bad no one really plays it. 4/4
(I'm not throwing in the 4/4 no AA/no AF, don't know why the review did really)

http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page11.asp
3/5 at Halo, and the the X800s first victory that would actually make a difference.

Anyway, the rest of the review shows us that the X800 is a better Far Cry and Half Life card, the 6800s are better Doom 3 cards.

Don't misconstrue what I'm saying here- the X800 XT PE is a very fast card, no doubt. (especially at DX9) I just don't think the advantage it gives in DX9 is worth giving up $100s for.
That may be "cheap" but in 7-8 months, the X800XT PE will be too. (if they ever figure out how to build them)

 

[Compddd]

lol Rollo is at it again. Keep the XT PE and return that GT. Also who cares about Doom 3 that game was boring after an hour. Bring on HL2 &amp; CS2.

 

[Corporate Thug]

plain and simple: if you want to faster card keep the X800 XT

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: elandys
Man, this thread is full of cheap bastards............I would keep the X800 XT PE because is without a doubt the FASTEST card available, period.

Period?

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page4.asp
Meh. It's fastest at 1/5 benchmarks, and that one only by .1 fps. Get's beat by 20-30fps in the 4 other benchmarks.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page5.asp
Meh. Only fastest at 1/5 again, although this time it's up to .5 fps better on the one it wins.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://
<b">http://www.firingsquad.com/......e_6800_ultra/page6.asp]http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/gigabyte_geforce_6800_ultra/page6.asp[/L]
Meh- it does win 3/5 here, but a lowly 3.9fps is the biggest margin. I see what you mean by "without a doubt" so far in this review it's won a whole third of the benchmarks! Woot! ATI domination!
LOL- the third it has won, we haven't cracked the gigantic 4fps barrier.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page7.asp
Wow. The rampaging ATI fury wins 1/4 benchmarks- by a whole .3 fps!

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page8.asp
2/4 at Splinter Cell, if you can call .1 fps a "victory". Nonetheless, the 7fps at 16X12 is it's biggest victory so far.
Up to 8/23 so far- dominance- if you call losing "winning" anyway.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page9.asp
No two ways about it, X800 XT PE owns Wallet Raider. Too bad no one really plays it. 4/4
(I'm not throwing in the 4/4 no AA/no AF, don't know why the review did really)

http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page11.asp
3/5 at Halo, and the the X800s first victory that would actually make a difference.

Anyway, the rest of the review shows us that the X800 is a better Far Cry and Half Life card, the 6800s are better Doom 3 cards.

Don't misconstrue what I'm saying here- the X800 XT PE is a very fast card, no doubt. (especially at DX9) I just don't think the advantage it gives in DX9 is worth giving up $100s for.
That may be "cheap" but in 7-8 months, the X800XT PE will be too. (if they ever figure out how to build them)

Excellent post!!

elandys dont post crap like that!! Its called trolling and it is not allowed in the forums. If you had proven fact with benchmarks and all that good stuff that it was the fastest we might believe you however right now you have just lost all credibiliy in my book. Maybe that is why your are a Junior Member. Do you even know anything about how a video card knowledge??

Compddd saying that it was boring is subjective. No subjectivity!! Maybe you thought it was boring but not everyone else so dont even say that. Just out of curiosity did you play DIII and were you around (born/alive) for the original Doom series. By your post doesn't seem so. Now, i will ask you the same question i asked elandys.... do you know, even remotely how a video card works?

Shady... first good post in a while for this thread. I agree with you. If you want the faster card or you want a card for bragging rights get the X800XT, however the performance increases will GENERALLY be very unnoticable betwen the two (with the exception of a couple of games).

-Kevin

 

[Bumrush99]

I have the 6800 GT. Most of them overclock to Ultra speeds. However, as a former ATI user, I would keep the X800XT PE because it seems like the image quality is better from what I have seen on different rigs. Unless you plan on playing Doom 3 alot, I would go for the X800...

 

[Gamingphreek]

I dont know about that IQ. The GeforceFX did have lower IQ however the Geforce 6 series cards have on par if not a little better IQ than ATI from what i heard. Amyway you could get some screens or something.

-Kevin

 

[zpapasmurf]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I have the 6800 GT. Most of them overclock to Ultra speeds. However, as a former ATI user, I would keep the X800XT PE because it seems like the image quality is better from what I have seen on different rigs. Unless you plan on playing Doom 3 alot, I would go for the X800...

I also have the 6800GT and mine easily overclocks to ultra speeds and beyond. Not to say that the X800XTPE isnt a good card, but you can easily get more performance out of the GT with little or no effort. For the money, its a great card, but you cant go wrong either way. It just depends if you want bragging rights or a little extra cash.

 

[kylebisme]

I have been using a 6800gt at just about ultra speeds (390/1090) and got a xt-pe yesterday, the xt-pe is definitely the one staying in my main rig. Here are some observations from what games I have tested between the two:

tribes vengance beta - went from 1024x768 2xAA/4xAF to 1280x960 4xTAA/16xAF
cs:sorce - was at 1600x1200 2xAA/16xAF with the gt and now have the AA cranked to 6xTAA. In the stress test I was getting 56fps with the gt at my settings, now with the xt-pe I get 72fps with AA cranked up to x6.
doom3 - was playing at 1152x864 with 2xAA 16xAF. The radeon does about the same but with the ati drivers I can force triple buffering so I can use vsync and hence temporal AA. (I think my barton @ 2.2ghz was holding back the 6800 from shining over the x800 there.)

Anyway, the 6800gt is a damn nice card, but the x800xt-pe is clearly better for my purposes.

 

[Gamingphreek]

There is no way the Radeon does the same in DIII. You must have installed drivers wrong or something. Nvidias performance lead is enormous. Something is not right here.

Also in the source engine i doubt that you can increase AA (even if it is Temporal) and get 16 more fps, same with tribes. I would like to see benchies... methinks you are exaggerating this "lead" way too much. Yes the XT is undoubtably faster however not THAT much faster especially in DIII.

-Kevin

 

[Ackmed]

As I suggest before, if you can take them back after opened, do it. Play your favorite games, and see which card performs best for you. If its the XT/PE, then ask yourself if its worth the extra $60 over the GT.

The XT/PE is the faster card overall, there is no denying that. Although some people dont like to believe it.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Period?

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page4.asp
Meh. It's fastest at 1/5 benchmarks, and that one only by .1 fps. Get's beat by 20-30fps in the 4 other benchmarks.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page5.asp
Meh. Only fastest at 1/5 again, although this time it's up to .5 fps better on the one it wins.

<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://
<b">http://www.firingsquad.com/......e_6800_ultra/page6.asp]http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/gigabyte_geforce_6800_ultra/page6.asp[/L]
Meh- it does win 3/5 here, but a lowly 3.9fps is the biggest margin. I see what you mean by "without a doubt" so far in this review it's won a whole third of the benchmarks! Woot! ATI domination!
LOL- the third it has won, we haven't cracked the gigantic 4fps barrier.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page7.asp
Wow. The rampaging ATI fury wins 1/4 benchmarks- by a whole .3 fps!

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page8.asp
2/4 at Splinter Cell, if you can call .1 fps a "victory". Nonetheless, the 7fps at 16X12 is it's biggest victory so far.
Up to 8/23 so far- dominance- if you call losing "winning" anyway.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page9.asp
No two ways about it, X800 XT PE owns Wallet Raider. Too bad no one really plays it. 4/4
(I'm not throwing in the 4/4 no AA/no AF, don't know why the review did really)

http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page11.asp
3/5 at Halo, and the the X800s first victory that would actually make a difference.

Anyway, the rest of the review shows us that the X800 is a better Far Cry and Half Life card, the 6800s are better Doom 3 cards.

Don't misconstrue what I'm saying here- the X800 XT PE is a very fast card, no doubt. (especially at DX9) I just don't think the advantage it gives in DX9 is worth giving up $100s for.
That may be "cheap" but in 7-8 months, the X800XT PE will be too. (if they ever figure out how to build them)

LOL. The 6800U sure wins a lot of 800x600 tests....

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
There is no way the Radeon does the same in DIII. You must have installed drivers wrong or something. Nvidias performance lead is enormous. Something is not right here.

Also in the source engine i doubt that you can increase AA (even if it is Temporal) and get 16 more fps, same with tribes. I would like to see benchies... methinks you are exaggerating this "lead" way too much. Yes the XT is undoubtably faster however not THAT much faster especially in DIII.

-Kevin

There was nothing wrong with the drivers on my gt, it preformed right on par with everyone elses benchmarks along my same system specs. Like I said, I'd imagine that with a faster cpu the gt could have taken the lead in doom3, but as it stands they preform even at the settings I use. As for sorce, I turned up the AA to x6 and turned on temporal, temporal doesn't effect framerate at all but the x6 does and even then it was that much faster than the gt. as for tribes, I wound up with my settings for the gt by finding myself at just over 30fps while hovering in a ship at the top of the caverns, now with the higher settings on my xt-pe I get just under 40fps in the same spot.

The xt-pe is just That much faster on some things, and about the same on others out of everything I tested. My 3dmark03 score went up a whole 50 points between the gt at just over ultra speeds and the xt-pe running stock.

Oh and here is the results of 3dmark on my gt as evidence that my drivers are in order:

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k3=3074159

 

[ronnn]

LOL. The 6800U sure wins a lot of 800x600 tests....


Did someone really post 800 x 600 tests :shocked: Anyways am becoming suspicious that this thread was a nicely baited hook and caught the usual suspects.

 

[kylebisme]

a New driver heaven review confirms most of what I said about the peformace difference:

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/PNY/index.htm

 

[ronnn]

Don't mention driverheaven here, the crowd gets very angry and accuses them of a pro ATI bias. :beer: But is an interesting review with some new games. thanks.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn
LOL. The 6800U sure wins a lot of 800x600 tests....


Did someone really post 800 x 600 tests :shocked: Anyways am becoming suspicious that this thread was a nicely baited hook and caught the usual suspects.

The point wasn't that it won 800X600- on those "6800U was faster in 5/6" games the 6800 won 800X600 4X8X - 16X12 4X8X. Then the X800 would take the lead by less than 1fps at 20X15 4X8X.

The point is in that review the X800 XT PE lost as many benchmarks as it won, and would have lost more if the reviewer hadn't inexplicably put in multiple sets of TRAOD and Far Cry benchmarks.

It would have lost more to an UEE as well.

Since the X800XT PE loses many benchmarks, you can't say it's "faster without a doubt". The only games in that review where the X800XT PE showed a real reason to buy it over a 6800U are:
1. TRAOD- Doom3 may be "boring" to some, but most reviewers love it, millions of people are playing it. Show me a good review of this "game" and point me at a forum where people are discussing playing it?
2. HL2 - vaporware. More Shady days. There is no HL2, I can't go to the store and buy it.
3. Far Cry- a good game.

So if you throw out the vaporware, and TRAOD all you have left to recommend the X800 XT PE is Far Cry. That's worth throwing away a possible $400 profit on sale of the PE?

Not to me.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: ronnn
Don't mention driverheaven here, the crowd gets very angry and accuses them of a pro ATI bias. :beer: But is an interesting review with some new games. thanks.

Lol thats because they have a history of being pro ATI/ I mean look at the DIII tests, somethings a bit screwed up dont ya think. We went from the XT about on par if not a little better than the 6800NU at AT, now here it is almost on par with an Ultra. This cannot happen as the radeon IIRC cannot perform z-stencil operations (ie32x0). Also every single review they did there seems to heavily favor ATI . I mean they are getting like double performance in nearly everything.

I dunno, nice benchmark suite and interesting and all but definately biased.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn
LOL. The 6800U sure wins a lot of 800x600 tests....


Did someone really post 800 x 600 tests :shocked: Anyways am becoming suspicious that this thread was a nicely baited hook and caught the usual suspects.

The X800XT PE wasn't faster at the highest settings tested either?


http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page22.asp

..................X800XT PE : 6800U

COD 89fps 89fps
IL2 30fps 30fps
LOMAC 31fps 24fps
UT2004 68fps 68fps
Splinter Cell 95fps 88fps
TRAOD 45fps 43fps
Halo 46fps 36fps
Far Cry 62fps 49fps
Doom3 35fps 65fps

In those 9 games, there are 3 where the X800XT PE would show you a noticeable difference in game play.
It's well and good for Gururu to point out that the 6800U wins all the 800X600 tests, implying that it only wins at low res settings no one plays, but the fact is the 6800 equals or wins most of the highest settings tested as well.

 

[zpapasmurf]

all I have to say is that this is really heating up.... and I love it.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: ronnn
LOL. The 6800U sure wins a lot of 800x600 tests....


Did someone really post 800 x 600 tests :shocked: Anyways am becoming suspicious that this thread was a nicely baited hook and caught the usual suspects.

The X800XT PE wasn't faster at the highest settings tested either?


http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page22.asp

..................X800XT PE : 6800U

COD 89fps 89fps
IL2 30fps 30fps
LOMAC 31fps 24fps
UT2004 68fps 68fps
Splinter Cell 95fps 88fps
TRAOD 45fps 43fps
Halo 46fps 36fps
Far Cry 62fps 49fps
Doom3 35fps 65fps

In those 9 games, there are 3 where the X800XT PE would show you a noticeable difference in game play.
It's well and good for Gururu to point out that the 6800U wins all the 800X600 tests, implying that it only wins at low res settings no one plays, but the fact is the 6800 equals or wins most of the highest settings tested as well.

this list is a better representation of the two cards speeds and their strength with certain APIs. I myself believe an XTPE is a preferable solution, but I don't have any problem calling nvidias flagship an equivalent perfomer. They are both sweet products.

 

[nRollo]

Agreed.
The greedy part of me would exploit some people's apparent lust for a PE in this case though.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well just out of curiosity... i only want OINE RESPONSE AND NO FLAMING, was the card used in those benches an UE and a PE or an U and a PE. Im not saying anycard is worse but the UE will be a little faster.

-Kevin