Return 6800 GT or x800 XT PE???

[Gamingphreek]

Ok im not some 8 year old kid, i know how to read, so i dont need to be lectured. So STOP... your trying to start a flamewar by insulting and telling me to go buy a dictionary, that is called flaming, so i say again stop.

I never was convinced that the XT wasn't faster but the basic rules of Journalism are that if you say a subjective statement you have to have objective statements to back it up or therefore you are noticably biased. If you are going to say something like that BACK IT UP!!

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

This wouldn't be a hard choice for me.

1. The value of either card will be halved within 6-8 months
2. Yes, the X800XT PE is faster at some benchmarks by a good deal, but is that worth $150-$200 to say "Waah. My card can play Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X at the same speed your crappy GT plays it at 12X10 4X8X! Waaah!"
http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page15.asp
Not to me- especially when I could retort "Waaah. My GT plays OpenGL games faster, and I saved $150-$200!"

Sell that X800XT PE on Flea Bay, pocket the money, LOL at goons who say, "Well, my benchmark is the only one that matters!"

 

[fsstrike]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ok im not some 8 year old kid, i know how to read, so i dont need to be lectured. So STOP... your trying to start a flamewar by insulting and telling me to go buy a dictionary, that is called flaming, so i say again stop.

I never was convinced that the XT wasn't faster but the basic rules of Journalism are that if you say a subjective statement you have to have objective statements to back it up or therefore you are noticably biased. If you are going to say something like that BACK IT UP!!

-Kevin

Rather than just calling me biased, why dont *YOU* go find some benchmarks of the XTPE losing to the GT? You wont find very many. And you do seem like an 8 year old kid, why fight something for no reason?

No one needs to find proof in the statement that the sky is blue, because everyone know the sky is blue. No one is going to say: "oh meh gawd you biased pig haxor the sky isnt blue its red sometimes oh meh gawd call teh flame police h4x0r, go t4ke s0me pics of teh sky oh meh teh gawd"

Meh I was bored so i decided to get benchies. Rollo already posted some above me. Neways:


HL2
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2182
Far Cry
http://www.anandtech.com/video...oc.aspx?i=2102&p=5
etc... etc...
Im not gonna bother with D3 because nvidia pwns ATI in d3 and thats a given.

 

[JBT]

Don't return the XTPE sell it on ebay to some stupid Shmuck, for big bucks.

 

[Cawchy87]

keep the XTPE and return the GT. don't let these people tell you they proform about the same!

 

[fsstrike]

Originally posted by: Cawchy87
keep the XTPE and return the GT. don't let these people tell you they proform about the same!

Exactly.

 

[Genx87]

Id sell the X800 for profit and keep the GT

 

[edmundoab]

keep the ATI if you intend to make use of its capabilities.

if you are thinking of making money, like GenX87 have said, sell it and get the GT

 

[JBT]

The only reason I would sell the XTPE is because my CPU is limiting the GT as it is I doubt the XTPE would be much faster and you could potentially sell the XTPE aand get ANOTHER whole GT with the profit...

 

[n7]

The XT is a better card no doubt...but i'll echo those who are saying sell it, since you really aren't gonna notice the difference likely, & you can make some money off selling the XT

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

If you want money sell the xtpe. I'd just keep the xtpe though. Once they start being widely available they aren't going to hold their value any better then any other card.

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Rollo
This wouldn't be a hard choice for me.

1. The value of either card will be halved within 6-8 months
2. Yes, the X800XT PE is faster at some benchmarks by a good deal, but is that worth $150-$200 to say "Waah. My card can play Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X at the same speed your crappy GT plays it at 12X10 4X8X! Waaah!"
http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page15.asp
Not to me- especially when I could retort "Waaah. My GT plays OpenGL games faster, and I saved $150-$200!"

Sell that X800XT PE on Flea Bay, pocket the money, LOL at goons who say, "Well, my benchmark is the only one that matters!"

The XT plays 12x10 4x8x in opengl better than your GT plays 16x12 4x8x. Waaaah.

He paid $60 more for an XT. IMO, that's worth it, unless he can resell the XT for at least $520.

Id like some benches where the XT wins everysingle test except 1.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page4.asp

Other than Doom 3, the XT beats the GT in every test at the highest GPU load.

 

[BFG10K]

The XT is the faster card but nVidia has the edge in drivers. It's a tough call but in your position I'd probably go with the X800 XT because of the significant speed gain it offers over the GT. If you had a 6800U I'd tell you to keep that.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

keep the x800 xt.......look after number one u payed for the best so u keep it...sell the gt again somewhere. u'll get more enjoyement out of the radeon.....i have a gt an im already missing the efficiency of ATI's AA and AF.

 

[McArra]

I'd keep that XTPE, that price you paid is just great and it is the fastest card out there with the 6800UE.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: fsstrike

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Ok im not some 8 year old kid, i know how to read, so i dont need to be lectured. So STOP... your trying to start a flamewar by insulting and telling me to go buy a dictionary, that is called flaming, so i say again stop.

I never was convinced that the XT wasn't faster but the basic rules of Journalism are that if you say a subjective statement you have to have objective statements to back it up or therefore you are noticably biased. If you are going to say something like that BACK IT UP!!

-Kevin

Rather than just calling me biased, why dont *YOU* go find some benchmarks of the XTPE losing to the GT? You wont find very many. And you do seem like an 8 year old kid, why fight something for no reason?

No one needs to find proof in the statement that the sky is blue, because everyone know the sky is blue. No one is going to say: "oh meh gawd you biased pig haxor the sky isnt blue its red sometimes oh meh gawd call teh flame police h4x0r, go t4ke s0me pics of teh sky oh meh teh gawd"

Meh I was bored so i decided to get benchies. Rollo already posted some above me. Neways:


HL2
http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2182
Far Cry
http://www.anandtech.com/video...oc.aspx?i=2102&p=5
etc... etc...
Im not gonna bother with D3 because nvidia pwns ATI in d3 and thats a given.

I never said the XT wasn't faster... however winning. .. i personally dont define winning as a couple of frames here and there. Sometimes though somewhat rare, teh XT drops a bit.

You are getting way too worked up over this simple thread. The sky is blue is a fact.... ATI is better or something to that extent is not a fact it is opinion the same goes for saying Nvidias better. Thats why you need objective materials to back it up.

Also i love you the two benchmarks you pick are the two the Nvidia performs most poorly on. HL2 and Far Cry??? How about a benchmark suite, not one that everyone knows are the 2 games that Nvidia cards dont perform as good as ATI.

Now, Cawchy87 who ever said they perform about the same? I never did, however i would keep the GT as #1 The XT is so rare a lot of people will pay upwards of $600 dollars. Youll be that much more towards SLI.
#2 The XT is faster normally by about 20-25 fps. However the GT never comes close to unplayable settings so it doesn't matter.
#3 Personally i just like the feature set... SM3 though downlplayed still has some potential, the Onboard Video Encoder/Decoder has been enabled and works like a champ etc. Yes i also like Temporal AA, but so far no manf has mentioned anything about incorporating 3dc.

No matter what card you choose both are going to be blazing fast, and youll be happy either way.

-Kevin

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Rollo
This wouldn't be a hard choice for me.

1. The value of either card will be halved within 6-8 months
2. Yes, the X800XT PE is faster at some benchmarks by a good deal, but is that worth $150-$200 to say "Waah. My card can play Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X at the same speed your crappy GT plays it at 12X10 4X8X! Waaah!"
http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page15.asp
Not to me- especially when I could retort "Waaah. My GT plays OpenGL games faster, and I saved $150-$200!"

Sell that X800XT PE on Flea Bay, pocket the money, LOL at goons who say, "Well, my benchmark is the only one that matters!"

The XT plays 12x10 4x8x in opengl better than your GT plays 16x12 4x8x. Waaaah.

He paid $60 more for an XT. IMO, that's worth it, unless he can resell the XT for at least $520.

Id like some benches where the XT wins everysingle test except 1.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page4.asp

Other than Doom 3, the XT beats the GT in every test at the highest GPU load.

LT:
1. He can obviously sell the X800 XT PE for more than $520., so I guess you agree with me?

2. While the XT did indeed beat the GT by 10% (89/83) at 20X15X32 on the page you linked, I'd hardly call 6fps when you're over 80fps a reason to do anything? The XT PE lost every other benchmark on that page by 20-30fps. Like I said, the GT is better at Open GL.

EDIT: BTW- I don't consider 144 vs 114 a huge reason to buy a card either, merely proof of my assertion that these cards both perform at such a high level I'd rather have the $150 - $200 profit than performance I wouldn't really notice except posting benchmarks.

 

[zpapasmurf]

I don't understand why people are even trying to compare these cards? They are not meant to be compared with each other. I own a 6800GT and am unbiased. The X800XT is obviously faster. The correct comparisons to make here would be 6800GT-X800Pro (Of the 2, according to firingsquad, the 6800 is faster in most benches.), or the 6800UE-X800XT PE.

This is like comparing an athlon 64 3000+ to a P4 3.6ghz. You just cant do it. For value you would be better off with the 6800, the performance is great and I will even go so far as to say that you would most likely be able to overclock it to ultra speeds with no mods and no extra voltage. "When you absolutely, positively got to kill every motherfu#%er in the room. Accept no substitutes." By that, I mean go with the X800XT PE (that is if you need to do what my excellent quotation says).

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Rollo
This wouldn't be a hard choice for me.

1. The value of either card will be halved within 6-8 months
2. Yes, the X800XT PE is faster at some benchmarks by a good deal, but is that worth $150-$200 to say "Waah. My card can play Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X at the same speed your crappy GT plays it at 12X10 4X8X! Waaah!"
http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page15.asp
Not to me- especially when I could retort "Waaah. My GT plays OpenGL games faster, and I saved $150-$200!"

Sell that X800XT PE on Flea Bay, pocket the money, LOL at goons who say, "Well, my benchmark is the only one that matters!"

The XT plays 12x10 4x8x in opengl better than your GT plays 16x12 4x8x. Waaaah.

He paid $60 more for an XT. IMO, that's worth it, unless he can resell the XT for at least $520.

Id like some benches where the XT wins everysingle test except 1.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page4.asp

Other than Doom 3, the XT beats the GT in every test at the highest GPU load.

LT:
1. He can obviously sell the X800 XT PE for more than $520., so I guess you agree with me?

2. While the XT did indeed beat the GT by 10% (89/83) at 20X15X32 on the page you linked, I'd hardly call 6fps when you're over 80fps a reason to do anything? The XT PE lost every other benchmark on that page by 20-30fps. Like I said, the GT is better at Open GL.

EDIT: BTW- I don't consider 144 vs 114 a huge reason to buy a card either, merely proof of my assertion that these cards both perform at such a high level I'd rather have the $150 - $200 profit than performance I wouldn't really notice except posting benchmarks.

Can he? An XT is $460 at newegg. I agree with most of your assertions, but I don't see this $200 price difference. Unless you are trying to say than an XTPE is worth $150 over an XT. My guess is $350 and $450, respectively, would be reasonable sale points, and at $100 its a tossup IMO.

BTW, I was linking to the entire roundup, not that individual test, incase you didn't realize that.

 

[JBT]

While maybe it is a resonable price YOU would pay for an XTPE but there are idiots who were pay $1000 justa few weeks ago and I am sure there are still some out there that will pay way more than MSRP. No one is going to pay what he payed for a GT, as you can find them for less than that pretty easily. You are right the regular XT is like 460+5 on newegg which is still quite a bit more money IMO then a GT for under 400. I agree 100% that the XTPE is a faster card by quite a bit in most situations but if he can actually make money by selling the XTPE I would obviously do that in a second.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
"Waah. My card can play Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X at the same speed your crappy GT plays it at 12X10 4X8X! Waaah!"

And yet another RIVETING immature post from Rollo.


Can't you just stick to posting opinions/facts WITHOUT resorting to "Waaaaahhhh!!!", "LOL" and your other myriad of childishness?

 

[ronnn]

Why would anyone go throught the hassle and risk of selling a card (at an inflated price) to make 50 or 100 dollars. Don't you guys make that in a couple of hours at work? Keep the xt, unless you really :heart: nvidia.

 

[JBT]

Are you really at risk selling a video card? They pay first I am pretty sure its safe...

 

[KevinH]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Rollo
This wouldn't be a hard choice for me.

1. The value of either card will be halved within 6-8 months
2. Yes, the X800XT PE is faster at some benchmarks by a good deal, but is that worth $150-$200 to say "Waah. My card can play Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X at the same speed your crappy GT plays it at 12X10 4X8X! Waaah!"
http://www.firingsquad.com/har..._6800_ultra/page15.asp
Not to me- especially when I could retort "Waaah. My GT plays OpenGL games faster, and I saved $150-$200!"

Sell that X800XT PE on Flea Bay, pocket the money, LOL at goons who say, "Well, my benchmark is the only one that matters!"

The XT plays 12x10 4x8x in opengl better than your GT plays 16x12 4x8x. Waaaah.

He paid $60 more for an XT. IMO, that's worth it, unless he can resell the XT for at least $520.

Id like some benches where the XT wins everysingle test except 1.

http://www.firingsquad.com/har...e_6800_ultra/page4.asp

Other than Doom 3, the XT beats the GT in every test at the highest GPU load.

I posted earlier that the XT PE are EASILY going for 600 bones. Taht's a HUGE chunk of change.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
"Waah. My card can play Far Cry at 16X12 4X8X at the same speed your crappy GT plays it at 12X10 4X8X! Waaah!"

And yet another RIVETING immature post from Rollo.


Can't you just stick to posting opinions/facts WITHOUT resorting to "Waaaaahhhh!!!", "LOL" and your other myriad of childishness?

Yet another immature, pointless attack by Creig. :roll:

Last I checked, no one had voted you God, so why don't you stick to telling us how to mod old hardware and let other board members exercise their right to free speech?