Return 6800 GT or x800 XT PE???

[Ackmed]

Um, he has a GT and XT/PE on the way. Not a Ultra, or Ultra extreme. The GT and XT/PE are the only cards in question, and the XT/PE is faster almost all of the time. So the only choice he has to make is, is it worth the extra $60 over the GT? Thats his decision, and your blabbering isnt helping him at all.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, he has a GT and XT/PE on the way. Not a Ultra, or Ultra extreme. The GT and XT/PE are the only cards in question, and the XT/PE is faster almost all of the time. So the only choice he has to make is, is it worth the extra $60 over the GT? Thats his decision, and your blabbering isnt helping him at all.

:thumbsup:

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Lol thats because they have a history of being pro ATI/ I mean look at the DIII tests, somethings a bit screwed up dont ya think. We went from the XT about on par if not a little better than the 6800NU at AT, now here it is almost on par with an Ultra. This cannot happen as the radeon IIRC cannot perform z-stencil operations (ie32x0). Also every single review they did there seems to heavily favor ATI . I mean they are getting like double performance in nearly everything.

I dunno, nice benchmark suite and interesting and all but definately biased.

-Kevin

Biased? Their results come in line with Anand's tests:

http://www.anandtech.com/video...oc.aspx?i=2146&p=3

Granted they are using different systems and different benchmarks, but they still show about the same peformace differential.

As for z-stencil operations, the x800 does do 32x0, but only when AA is on. However, with AA is were the cards get fill rate limted anyway, which is why the x800 keeps up as well as it does.

Also, here is another point to back my comments that my xt-pe keeps up with my gt at ultra speeds:

http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQ0LDc=

Note that on a Barton@2.2ghz the game is cpu limited to where there isn't much difference between a ultra oc and an xt-pe.

So Gamingphreek, are you willing to acccept the validity of my experiences with the two cards yet?

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Agreed.
The greedy part of me would exploit some people's apparent lust for a PE in this case though.

You would be too late though, they are already showing up in stock and damn near down to retail price on pricewatch. So much for your $400 profit.

 

[gururu]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Well just out of curiosity... i only want OINE RESPONSE AND NO FLAMING, was the card used in those benches an UE and a PE or an U and a PE. Im not saying anycard is worse but the UE will be a little faster.

-Kevin

Neither

"Gigabyte clocks their GV-N68U256D graphics core at 425MHz by default. This is an improvement of 25MHz, improving fill rate from 6.4Gigatexels/second to 6.8Gigatexels/second. Memory frequency remains at 550MHz (1.1GHz effective), the same speed as a stock GeForce 6800 Ultra."

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, he has a GT and XT/PE on the way. Not a Ultra, or Ultra extreme. The GT and XT/PE are the only cards in question, and the XT/PE is faster almost all of the time. So the only choice he has to make is, is it worth the extra $60 over the GT? Thats his decision, and your blabbering isnt helping him at all.

BIte me.... i mean jesus christ ackmed can you not read. I said just out of curiosity which one was it? That didn't entail flaming the sh!t out of me. Ok so unless you have something usefull to post and not some smart a** comment why dont you be quiet.

I never heard of the X800Pro doing 32x0. Especially since it is a 12x1 architecture (same as 6800NU). Im not very proficient with the z-stencil and all that stuff but last time i heard Nvidia was the only one able to run in 32x0 mode.

Ok they are about the same results in DIII, i might have just corresponded the wrong bar with another bar, SRY. However the GT is noticably better in DIII, ye the XTPE takes the lead in 95% of all other games. But by no means is it the difference between unplayable and playable.

Thankyou gururu... thats all i wanted to know.

-Kevin

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
I never heard of the X800Pro doing 32x0. Especially since it is a 12x1 architecture (same as 6800NU).

I meant the 16 pipe version, the pro would obviously be doing 24x0.

And yes, the gt is noticably beter than the xt-pe in doom3 if you have a fast enough processor to let the gt shine. but otherwise, such as my case, they come out about the same.

 

[Creig]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yet another immature, pointless attack by Creig. :roll:

Last I checked, no one had voted you God, so why don't you stick to telling us how to mod old hardware and let other board members exercise their right to free speech?

So...... I'm guessing your answer is "No, I can't post without resorting to insults."




Sad.

 

[lordtyranus]

So if you throw out the vaporware, and TRAOD all you have left to recommend the X800 XT PE is Far Cry.

Oh, come on Rollo. Thousands of people are already playing CS Source.

What are you going to say when the game comes out? That HL2 has poor graphics and is a bad game?

Anyway, I cannot think of a single reason to buy a 6800 Ultra. Get the cheaper GT, or the XTPE which is faster in HL2, Farcry, UT2k4 and offers 6xAA in many other games.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Creig

Originally posted by: Rollo
Yet another immature, pointless attack by Creig. :roll:

Last I checked, no one had voted you God, so why don't you stick to telling us how to mod old hardware and let other board members exercise their right to free speech?

So...... I'm guessing your answer is "No, I can't post without resorting to insults."




Sad.

Creig -
Every time I post, you hop in with some pointless slander, flaming me for no reason whatsoever.

What are you doing in this thread anyway? Giving us the perspective of the man with the 9500? Uh huh.

Say what you want about me- but I belong in this post more than you. Why?

A. I own one of the two cards in question, so I at least have some clue about the performance I'm posting about.
B. This is a choice I actually made. I can easily afford either or both of these cards. I took the 6800GT (although I did try to order an Ultra at the time as well) for the reasons I've already mentioned. If I would have had the added incentive of huge profits on the PE in hand, I would have made the same choice.

What are you here to tell us? What you'd do if you actually ever bought some high end parts?

The post you pointlessly flamed me for was flaming no one- only a sarcastic style of writing. If you don't like it, maybe you should stick to writing essays on how to softmod low end parts. I can guarantee you I'll never be troubling you in those, because I wouldn't bother.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, he has a GT and XT/PE on the way. Not a Ultra, or Ultra extreme. The GT and XT/PE are the only cards in question, and the XT/PE is faster almost all of the time. So the only choice he has to make is, is it worth the extra $60 over the GT? Thats his decision, and your blabbering isnt helping him at all.

Only if you're as dense as Ackmed.

Like I said, 2 of the last 3 XT PEs sold on Ebay went for over $800.. He can put a reserve of $600 on it if he wants at least $150 profit.

So if he chooses to keep the PE that does indeed cost $60 more to him, he loses potential profits of over $340..

The XT PE is indeed faster than a GT most of the time (as you've so shrewdly divined) but as many others in the thread have noticed (which seems to have eluded you) the question is really "Is the level of greater performance the XT PE provides worth hundreds of dollars lost profit"

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

So if you throw out the vaporware, and TRAOD all you have left to recommend the X800 XT PE is Far Cry.

Oh, come on Rollo. Thousands of people are already playing CS Source.

What are you going to say when the game comes out? That HL2 has poor graphics and is a bad game?

Anyway, I cannot think of a single reason to buy a 6800 Ultra. Get the cheaper GT, or the XTPE which is faster in HL2, Farcry, UT2k4 and offers 6xAA in many other games.

Point me at a link to buy HL2 and I'll stop saying it's vaporware. Till then it is and I will. I heard "it'll be out soon a year ago too. When it's out, it's a factor, till then it's not.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Point me at a link to buy HL2 and I'll stop saying it's vaporware. Till then it is and I will. I heard "it'll be out soon a year ago too. When it's out, it's a factor, till then it's not.

Rollo liket the rest of us, you are a total hypocrit. Could you please at least make an effort to hide this in your nvidia sales postings. One day it is sm 3.0 is great will be used in many games. Don't forget sli will be a useful feature. The new Nvidia drivers will fix this. If you want a card that will insure good gaming in the future buy nvidia, and on and on and on. Now a game that is being actively reviewed and is close to release is vapourware. Is this because your feelings were hurt by shader day?

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo
Point me at a link to buy HL2 and I'll stop saying it's vaporware. Till then it is and I will. I heard "it'll be out soon a year ago too. When it's out, it's a factor, till then it's not.

Rollo liket the rest of us, you are a total hypocrit. Could you please at least make an effort to hide this in your nvidia sales postings. One day it is sm 3.0 is great will be used in many games. Don't forget sli will be a useful feature. The new Nvidia drivers will fix this. If you want a card that will insure good gaming in the future buy nvidia, and on and on and on. Now a game that is being actively reviewed and is close to release is vapourware. Is this because your feelings were hurt by shader day?

There are reviews of HL2??
Links please?

I work for a software firm, not nVidia.

 

[Ackmed]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, he has a GT and XT/PE on the way. Not a Ultra, or Ultra extreme. The GT and XT/PE are the only cards in question, and the XT/PE is faster almost all of the time. So the only choice he has to make is, is it worth the extra $60 over the GT? Thats his decision, and your blabbering isnt helping him at all.

BIte me.... i mean jesus christ ackmed can you not read. I said just out of curiosity which one was it? That didn't entail flaming the sh!t out of me. Ok so unless you have something usefull to post and not some smart a** comment why dont you be quiet.

I never heard of the X800Pro doing 32x0. Especially since it is a 12x1 architecture (same as 6800NU). Im not very proficient with the z-stencil and all that stuff but last time i heard Nvidia was the only one able to run in 32x0 mode.

Ok they are about the same results in DIII, i might have just corresponded the wrong bar with another bar, SRY. However the GT is noticably better in DIII, ye the XTPE takes the lead in 95% of all other games. But by no means is it the difference between unplayable and playable.

Thankyou gururu... thats all i wanted to know.

-Kevin

I didnt flame anyone. Its funny how you always try to tell other people how to post, about not flaming. Yet your first words are, "bite me". Good job being a hypocrite.

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, he has a GT and XT/PE on the way. Not a Ultra, or Ultra extreme. The GT and XT/PE are the only cards in question, and the XT/PE is faster almost all of the time. So the only choice he has to make is, is it worth the extra $60 over the GT? Thats his decision, and your blabbering isnt helping him at all.

Only if you're as dense as Ackmed.

Like I said, 2 of the last 3 XT PEs sold on Ebay went for over $800.. He can put a reserve of $600 on it if he wants at least $150 profit.

So if he chooses to keep the PE that does indeed cost $60 more to him, he loses potential profits of over $340..

The XT PE is indeed faster than a GT most of the time (as you've so shrewdly divined) but as many others in the thread have noticed (which seems to have eluded you) the question is really "Is the level of greater performance the XT PE provides worth hundreds of dollars lost profit"

Maybe he doesnt ebay? Maybe he just wanted to know which is faster? My answer is BY FAR better than your "answer". But hey, good job trying to insult me.

 

[nRollo]

Maybe he doesnt ebay? Maybe he just wanted to know which is faster? My answer is BY FAR better than your "answer". But hey, good job trying to insult me

I was in a bad mood from Creig's flames. If your "useless blabbering" wasn't directed at me, my apologies for the mistake.

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: Rollo

I work for a software firm, not nVidia.

That still does not explain your non-stop nvidia sales speak and the personal insults you dole out to support these diatribes.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Well Ackmed actually you did flame someone. Stop your blabbering doesn't exactly have anything to do with this thread last time i checked. Yes i said bite me... im not a little kid, did you want me to just soak it in and cry my heart out?? Heck no! Ackmed i just asked a question... i specifically said in the post no flames just wanted to know... yet what do you do post crap like that!!

Now can we please get this thread back on topic and stop everyone flaming everyone.

-Kevin

 

[Mr. Lennon]

You guys sound like a bunch of women.

 

[zpapasmurf]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

So if you throw out the vaporware, and TRAOD all you have left to recommend the X800 XT PE is Far Cry.

Oh, come on Rollo. Thousands of people are already playing CS Source.

What are you going to say when the game comes out? That HL2 has poor graphics and is a bad game?

Anyway, I cannot think of a single reason to buy a 6800 Ultra. Get the cheaper GT, or the XTPE which is faster in HL2, Farcry, UT2k4 and offers 6xAA in many other games.

Whos playing it and where can I get it cause i want it really bad! Lol im serious, how are people playing it?

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: Ackmed
Um, he has a GT and XT/PE on the way. Not a Ultra, or Ultra extreme. The GT and XT/PE are the only cards in question, and the XT/PE is faster almost all of the time. So the only choice he has to make is, is it worth the extra $60 over the GT? Thats his decision, and your blabbering isnt helping him at all.

Only if you're as dense as Ackmed.

Like I said, 2 of the last 3 XT PEs sold on Ebay went for over $800.. He can put a reserve of $600 on it if he wants at least $150 profit.

So if he chooses to keep the PE that does indeed cost $60 more to him, he loses potential profits of over $340..

The XT PE is indeed faster than a GT most of the time (as you've so shrewdly divined) but as many others in the thread have noticed (which seems to have eluded you) the question is really "Is the level of greater performance the XT PE provides worth hundreds of dollars lost profit"

:roll:
So the one day you preach honesty and integrity to little children that RMAing their cards and the next you actually advice him to sell his card at Ebay to an unsuspected child(this IS a possibility except the arrogant little pricks that pay so much to get them now) so that he can profit from it?
:laugh:

 

[kylebisme]

You get in on the CS:S beta with a hl2 voucher or CS:CZ steam account.

 

[Pete]

You can get in on the beta if you own either an ATi HL2 voucher, or CS:CZ.

I haven't read most of this thread, but I'd probably return the GT, sell the XTPE for a large profit, and look for a $350 BFG 6800OC @ Outpost, or preorder a $333 XFX 6800GT at Buy.com. If you want a card now, though, I'd have to say stick with the GT if you can sell the XTPE and reap the huge profits others seem to be enjoying. If you don't care about making a quick, capitalist buck, then I'd take an XTPE for $65 more than a GT. I'll take the hit in Doom 3 if it means better framerates in most other cases. VIVO is a nice bonus, too.

Edit: I see you paid tax on the GT, which makes the XTPE only like $30 more, no? That changes my suggestions slightly:

1. Remains the same.
2. In addition to eBaying the XTPE for huge bucks, I'd also just return the GT and buy one from NewEgg to save ~$30 on tax, or get in line at Buy.com and save $100 overall (~$430 -> $333).
3. $30 more for a XTPE is about as close to a no-brainer as possible.

jim, firstly, I don't think a child will Paypal him teh $600!!1 for a video card on eBay. Secondly, no one who's shopping for $600+ video cards on eBay is hurting for cash, be he child or adult. As for charging as much as ppl are willing to pay, I'm probably with Hank Reardon [sic? it's been a while since I ploughed through Atlas Flinched] on this. He wouldn't be lying to anyone, like with an OC'ing RMA. He's just offering the card for $600+ for whoever wants it.

 

[nRollo]

Jim:

So the one day you preach honesty and integrity to little children that RMAing their cards and the next you actually advice him to sell his card at Ebay to an unsuspected child(this IS a possibility except the arrogant little pricks that pay so much to get them now) so that he can profit from it?

I didn't advise him to sell his card to an "unsuspected child"? What are you talking about?!

How many kids have $800 or $900 to spend on a video card? There's nothing dishonest or unethical about selling something that's in limited supply for a high price on Ebay.

If someone is dumb enough to pay it, when they know full well what MSRP is, they pretty much deserve to get it for that price.

Beyond that, you are imposing a middle class value system on the buyer that may not apply. If $900 is pocket change to you, why not pay it to have the video card you want? If you don't think you're getting a bad deal, who's to say you are?

The only way it would be unethical is if he misrepresented it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: ronnn

Originally posted by: Rollo

I work for a software firm, not nVidia.

That still does not explain your non-stop nvidia sales speak and the personal insults you dole out to support these diatribes.

"non-stop nVidia sales-speak"?

How about all the times I've recommended the 9600Pro and 9800 Pro in the last few months? How am I selling nVidia there?

Examples Given:
http://forums.anandtech.com/me...ey=y&keyword1=9600

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...03&highlight_key=y

I can find a lot more if I take some time? Don't mistake my preference for the $300> 6800s over the X800s for me owning a bunch of nVidia stock Ronnn.
I loved my 9700P/9800P, and will own ATI cards again if they ever make a core other than the R300. Odds are I've owned and used a lot more ATI cards than you.