Researchers Prove Bible Grossly Mistranslated

[William Gaatjes]

Yet another ignorant statement -- NO!! Muhammad did NOT write any of the Koran!

Thank you for asking about Islam and the Quran . All seekers of truth are invited to offer their questions about Islam, the world's fastest growing religion, and all that it teaches. It is based on the teachings of the Holy Quran and as such it is our distinguished pleasure to offer the following information about the heart and soul of Islam - The Holy Quran .

We have observed in your line of reasoning within your question, a number of misconceptions and mistakes. Therefore, we would like to start with clarification of a few items:

First of all, even though the prophet, peace be upon him, did not read or write. Therefore, it would be impossible for him to write the Quran. Second, the word actually has the meaning of reciting something. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to say, "Who 'wrote' it". It should be, "Who 'recited' it?"


The Quran 's recitation was heard by Muhammad, peace be upon him, from Allah's Angel, Jibril (Gabriel), who recited it to Muhammad, peace be upon him, and he in turn, recited it to his companions and they recited it to the next generation and that generation recited it to the next and so on, until this very day.


The writtings we have were wriiten down by companions who had memorized the Quran from the recitation they had memorized. This was called "mushaf" (meaning - written scriptures and is pronounced moos-haf), and was recorded and written down during the prophet's life. He asked a dozen or so of those who memorized Quran from him, to write it down on various mediums, including animal skins (leather), large rocks, bark and palm leaves. He then rehearsed it with them over and over even up until his passing away. Three of the actual Qurans printed in the time of the companions of Muhammad, peace be upon him, exist today and these are exactly as we recite from Quran today.

http://islamnewsroom.com/answers/112-qa-book-wherein-there-is-no-doubtq-2-verse-2

Indeed.
As with many cultures long ago all over the planet, The oral tradition was very common. This means that history and cultural events, were repeated over and over again and passed on by lyrics in songs or poems from generation to generation. Only later on, these songs and poems were written down. Centuries later, by other humans...

As with other Abrahamic religions as well, it sometimes seems to me that the name is not the real name but more of a title received...

 

[Nemesis 1]

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LOL. Really . You go to your little blackbook. A name is mentioned . The Destroyer. This destroyer is the God of Israel and its messenger. The whole world suffered durring this time. But only the jews rejoiced in it . It is no differant now. Any who rejoice in the coming events are like the jew. The new testiment says any who want these things to occur are not with God , Just as the Jews are not with GOD . They created there own god the god that freed them from Eygpt . that god was the destroyer and it was no god. its wasn't even a living creature . The messenger . Thats a seperate story.

 

[cybrsage]

LOL. Really . You go to your little blackbook. A name is mentioned . The Destroyer. This destroyer is the God of Israel and its messenger. The whole world suffered durring this time. But only the jews rejoiced in it . It is no differant now. Any who rejoice in the coming events are like the jew. The new testiment says any who want these things to occur are not with God , Just as the Jews are not with GOD . They created there own god the god that freed them from Eygpt . that god was the destroyer and it was no god. its wasn't even a living creature . The messenger . Thats a seperate story.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Again,

Any who take the bible, or ANY religious text as a direct "word of God" is disillusioned.

Man has had a NASTY history of putting their own self serving (or deprecating) bits into any rule of law, history, or other narrative. Hell, they even did it with science for the longest time until science kept having that annoying tendency to disprove the unsubstantiated additions (Earth = Center of Universe and such).

I always get a laugh out of people that take a messiah like Jesus, a man who lived his life teaching people things THROUGH METAPHOR, and refuse to accept even the slightest chance that ANYTHING ELSE in the bible could be just that. Metaphor.

Hell, Jesus could be Frodo for all I care. 90% of what he said seems to fit character and make for a really nice guy that we should all try to be a bit more like in our lives. (10% seems to be addons that express some other point of view. Why would a guy that had no problem with Lepers hate Gays? Honestly, in the scale of "OMGWTF, leprosy kind of ranks a bit about Biff Buttbender....).

But for some reason, a civilization that LIVES off of lessons from Hansel and Gretel, that has nursery rimes that warn of the Black Death et all (ring around the rosie), we seem to be completely unwilling to accept the fact that the universe is not a Kosher 6000 years old or that it was not created in 6 days by a white dude that liked Ignorance.

People just feel more comfortable with a known unknown, by associating all the mysteries of the universe to someone else that "knows" than to just admit they do not know themselves and that they probably never will due to their own mental weakness.

 

[cybrsage]

Again,

Any who take the bible, or ANY religious text as a direct "word of God" is disillusioned.

On what do you base this belief? Just curious, really.

Man has had a NASTY history of putting their own self serving (or deprecating) bits into any rule of law, history, or other narrative. Hell, they even did it with science for the longest time until science kept having that annoying tendency to disprove the unsubstantiated additions (Earth = Center of Universe and such).

Ok...so?

I always get a laugh out of people that take a messiah like Jesus, a man who lived his life teaching people things THROUGH METAPHOR, and refuse to accept even the slightest chance that ANYTHING ELSE in the bible could be just that. Metaphor.

I agree, there is metaphor all throughout the Bible.

Hell, Jesus could be Frodo for all I care. 90% of what he said seems to fit character and make for a really nice guy that we should all try to be a bit more like in our lives. (10% seems to be addons that express some other point of view. Why would a guy that had no problem with Lepers hate Gays? Honestly, in the scale of "OMGWTF, leprosy kind of ranks a bit about Biff Buttbender....).

Jesus was against homosexual acts, not the homosexual person. You can choose not to engage in homosexual acts, but you cannot choose to not engage in leprosy...it is a disease.

But for some reason, a civilization that LIVES off of lessons from Hansel and Gretel, that has nursery rimes that warn of the Black Death et all (ring around the rosie), we seem to be completely unwilling to accept the fact that the universe is not a Kosher 6000 years old or that it was not created in 6 days by a white dude that liked Ignorance.

God never liked ignorance. Leaders of nations liked ignorance as a way to maintain power and control. These same leaders pervered their religion to remain in control.

Jews in the days prior to recent diaspora were VERY literate. Both men and women were required to know how to read. Jews were always learning about the world around them...a great way to gain understanding of the Creator is to study that which He created.

The world has been toiling under the control of man for almsot 6000 years. This does not mean it was created 6000 years ago. I do realize some say it was.

People just feel more comfortable with a known unknown, by associating all the mysteries of the universe to someone else that "knows" than to just admit they do not know themselves and that they probably never will due to their own mental weakness.

Everyone admits there are a great swath of things they do not know. I have never met anyone who says they know everthing.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Actually we dont really know if Jesus was against Homosexual acts...only what a third party reported.

Spin baby spin.

 

[cybrsage]

Actually we dont really know if Jesus was against Homosexual acts...only what a third party reported.

Spin baby spin.

Jesus was Torah observant. The Torah is quite clear.

The Pope does not have to say he is against eating land animals on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday...he is the leader of the Catholic Church, the ruling is quite clear.

 

[Ninjahedge]

The ruling is illogical.

It serves no purpose but to determine a human beings willingness to abstain from a common action for no other accent than the ubiquitous "because I (God) said so".

Religious belief is never really a scary thing. Blind faith and fealty is.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Jesus was Torah observant. The Torah is quite clear.

The Pope does not have to say he is against eating land animals on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday...he is the leader of the Catholic Church, the ruling is quite clear.

Which version of the Torah?

Did he interpret it literrally?

Nothing is clear.

 

[OlafSicky]

I went to the website and just by looking at the design I think nutjob

 

[cybrsage]

Which version of the Torah?

The one written in Hebrew...

Can you be more specific about these multiple versions?

Did he interpret it literrally?

He interpreted it in the way Jews have always interpreted it. He based his views on the views of the greats who came before Him and sought guidence from God to understand more deeply. Jews know that our understanding of the Torah will increase over time. Our views change based on new information and understanding provided by God. It is not a static system - except where it is obviously supposed to be static. These places are crystal clear, and often written with YOU WILL NOT or YOU WILL.

Some things are very clear, such as not wearing a wool-cotton combo garment. Men lying with other men as they do with women being forbidden is also very clear.

Nothing is clear.

You can only say this if you are purposefully clouding the issue in your own mind. There is a very specific ruling against Homosexual Acts in the Torah. Obviously, this only applies to the Jews and those Goyim who have placed themselves under The Law. Jesus is a Jew, so The Law applies to Jesus.

Can you state specific items you are not clear about wrt this?