Researchers Prove Bible Grossly Mistranslated

[JEDIYoda]

Muhammad did write many of the passages in the Koran. He also decreed that they could not be changed as they were the direct word of god.

Yet another ignorant statement -- NO!! Muhammad did NOT write any of the Koran!

Thank you for asking about Islam and the Quran . All seekers of truth are invited to offer their questions about Islam, the world's fastest growing religion, and all that it teaches. It is based on the teachings of the Holy Quran and as such it is our distinguished pleasure to offer the following information about the heart and soul of Islam - The Holy Quran .

We have observed in your line of reasoning within your question, a number of misconceptions and mistakes. Therefore, we would like to start with clarification of a few items:

First of all, even though the prophet, peace be upon him, did not read or write. Therefore, it would be impossible for him to write the Quran. Second, the word actually has the meaning of reciting something. Therefore, it doesn't make sense to say, "Who 'wrote' it". It should be, "Who 'recited' it?"


The Quran 's recitation was heard by Muhammad, peace be upon him, from Allah's Angel, Jibril (Gabriel), who recited it to Muhammad, peace be upon him, and he in turn, recited it to his companions and they recited it to the next generation and that generation recited it to the next and so on, until this very day.


The writtings we have were wriiten down by companions who had memorized the Quran from the recitation they had memorized. This was called "mushaf" (meaning - written scriptures and is pronounced moos-haf), and was recorded and written down during the prophet's life. He asked a dozen or so of those who memorized Quran from him, to write it down on various mediums, including animal skins (leather), large rocks, bark and palm leaves. He then rehearsed it with them over and over even up until his passing away. Three of the actual Qurans printed in the time of the companions of Muhammad, peace be upon him, exist today and these are exactly as we recite from Quran today.

http://islamnewsroom.com/answers/112-qa-book-wherein-there-is-no-doubtq-2-verse-2

 

[amish]

i'm surprised that people are debating if letters are full words or if they are just letters. does nobody remember that the bible wasn't written down for a few hundred years? let's play the telephone game for just 50 years and see what story we get out of it.

 

[amish]

The writtings we have were wriiten down by companions who had memorized the Quran from the recitation they had memorized. This was called "mushaf" (meaning - written scriptures and is pronounced moos-haf), and was recorded and written down during the prophet's life. He asked a dozen or so of those who memorized Quran from him, to write it down on various mediums, including animal skins (leather), large rocks, bark and palm leaves. He then rehearsed it with them over and over even up until his passing away. Three of the actual Qurans printed in the time of the companions of Muhammad, peace be upon him, exist today and these are exactly as we recite from Quran today.

aren't the quran verses poems and songs used to increase the memorization and continuity between people? i thought i heard this somewhere...

 

[WHAMPOM]

The Quran is only one from author and still 100% original Arabic unchanged.

Unchanged from when it was edited and ALL the original transcripts destroyed. Gotta get out more and learn some history.

 

[JEDIYoda]

aren't the quran verses poems and songs used to increase the memorization and continuity between people? i thought i heard this somewhere...

This has to do with.....

 

[HumblePie]

i'm surprised that people are debating if letters are full words or if they are just letters. does nobody remember that the bible wasn't written down for a few hundred years? let's play the telephone game for just 50 years and see what story we get out of it.

No, that's the new testament. We know anything from the new testament was written long after the original people who are being written about were supposedly long dead.

Old testament is different at least in that way. We have no idea of when the supposed events were written about. I mean, the guy who originally came up with the fairytale may have been the one to write it down, or it could have been his 12 generation removed grandkid. Who knows? Who cares?

 

[Fern]

-snip-

Interesting stuff. Thanks and welcome to the forums.

Fern

 

[Ausm]

Right.

Link us up to some text where hieroglyphics are used as letters etc.

Fern

http://homepage.mac.com/glenbledsoe/winners/EgyptWeb/pages/hieroChart.html

http://www.virtual-egypt.com/newhtml/hieroglyphics/sample/alphabet.htm

http://www.eyelid.co.uk/hieroglyphic-typewriter.html

Translation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosetta_Stone

 

[Ausm]

Why?

Why wouldn't it be?

 

[jackstar7]

This has to do with.....

Some people are just curious about things...

 

[woolfe9999]

What a bunch of horseshit! Who are these people? Then I read the Bios....lulz. But hey...Danielle is kinda hot imo.

You know, as it happens, all four of those women are at least fairly attractive, and in their photos they look like models, with low cut tops. That is a research site? What is going on there?

 

[hal2kilo]

You know, as it happens, all four of those women are at least fairly attractive, and in their photos they look like models, with low cut tops. That is a research site? What is going on there?

Alright. You made me look. Nice lungs on 3 of them.

 

[Kadarin]

I've known that and if it were translated properly, there wouldn't be so many atheists. A lot of atheists use mistranslations to try to prove that God doesn't exist.

Which of course would be idiotic if true. If you assert that God exists, provide evidence for that assertion; otherwise I'll think you're an idiot not worthy of serious attention.

 

[sandorski]

Of course the old testament has always listed other gods in it. Even in the many translations. Old Jews were polytheistic, with the old testament in reverence to the "supreme" god of them all.

For those that don't believe me here look this up.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments

Just in the 10 commandments there are a few mentions of "other gods" such as not making any images of other gods in heaven. Or not bowing down to the other gods either.

Christianity is not really monotheistic either. Yeshua is revered as a God along with god. As well as other god like beings.

No matter how you want to spin a fairytale it is still one though.

Indeed. Reading these new replies suddenly has brought up the thought in me that the word "God" is misused these days compared to how it was used in ancient times. Back then "God" was a type of Being, whereas these days it is used a a name for a particular Being. It would be somewhat akin to if in a thousand years all Mammals were simply called Mammal and had lost their distinctive names such as Human, Cow, Dog, etc.

If one gives this any thought and considers the existence of other Gods as legit, this could very well mean that those who Worship/Follow/Obey God could inadvertently be actually following Zeus, Thor, or any of the myriads of Gods that have been claimed to exist. Much in the same way as a person living 1000 years from now who simply calls all Mammals "Mammal" could be BBQing a Cow, Dog, Cat, or even their Neighbour for the 4th of July.

 

[amish]

This has to do with.....

is this a question or a psuedo answer??? i'm not seeing the question marks at the end. my post was just a general question and you seem to have knowledge of the quran.

 

[ZaneNBK]

How can such a large a text be mistranslated from words to letters and still have grammatical and semantic coherence?

Exactly the point I was going to make. If they were mistranslating it so badly it would make no sense whatsoever and their translation rules would not hold up from page to page, let alone over that large an amount of text.

 

[Darwin333]

"Supreme ones" sounds rather iffy as "God".

Yes, note the plural. And I briefly skimmed the english translations and it refers to other gods (but one ruler of those gods) throughout everything I skimmed.

I dunno, there are many people who have spent their entire lives translating and studying bible translations. For this to be completely missed is a little tough for me to swallow, OTOH, it might have been considered blasphemy for much of history....

 

[Darwin333]

Exactly the point I was going to make. If they were mistranslating it so badly it would make no sense whatsoever and their translation rules would not hold up from page to page, let alone over that large an amount of text.

They say their method of translation is rather simple, shouldn't it be easy to verify?

That kind of works both ways, shouldn't it have been rather hard for them to translate it as they did and it still make any sense whatsoever?

 

[JSt0rm]

a comment from the link

Those researchers are lying and are Government agents preparing the masses through the mainstream media to receive aliens and believe that these fallen beings (angels) have created us (are Gods). This is an attempt to steal people's faith in the GOD of the Holy Bible and set them up for the New World Order. Those "researchers" are lying satanists who not so subliminally give away who they are, they are lying about the Hebrew manuscripts and language in an attempt to attack the deity of Christ. Cont. for to attack and "disprove" the Old Testament as we know it is to attack Jesus the Messiah for the Old Testament pointed to Christ,prophesied of the coming Savior who is the Son of YAHWEH.The events that are described in the Old Testament have accurately come to pass and can scientifically be proven, and prophecies came to pass with such accuracy that it's silly to say the Old Testament was massively mistranslated.If it's mistranslated it wouldn't be accurate.Don't believe this propaganda.

 

[werepossum]

I would like to first thank you for the opportunity to post in this forum and on this thread. I hope that those of you who are sincere about Truth and are serious students of linguistics, and Hebrew in particular will appreciate what I am about to share. I invite all the criticism you can muster on this topic, it has been a passion of mine ever since the "pictographiles" began to muster upon the World Wide Web. I apologize in advance if any toes are stepped upon; it is only my desire to separate Truth from False, and thereby help unsuspecting persons from being misled because of personal gain, and to attain true Biblical Insights.

SNIP

In Egyptian Hieroglyphic there is no pictograph for a “dove” even though "dove" is mentioned earliest among the Hieroglyphs. The word for “dove” is PAT, which is written as a Reed Mat, Arm, Loaf. What then does a reed mat, arm and loaf have to do with a dove? Nothing at all; the glyphs only represented the phonetic signs to pronounce the word PAT.

Excellent post, thanks.

 

[cybrsage]

The Torah lists the other gods as false gods. It simply uses the word ascribed to the beings worshipped by others. It does not mean there are actually more real gods, though.

For example, I saw the Statue of Libery in the Susquehanna River near Harrisburg, PA. It is on an island there. It is not the real one, which is still by NYC. It is a fake statue of liberty...a false statue. The only difference is that no one thinks the false statue is real, whereas some people thought the false gods were real. God was simply saying "don't worship false gods".

 

[werepossum]

WRT the Chronicle Project, I want to know why the American guy didn't get his two "escorts" like the Canadian guys. Was it to avoid offending the trannie?

I guess life really is like a movie. Instead of the top Hebrew scholars being old guys in sweaters, they are actually hot, busty young babes. Who'd thunk it? Evidently, stupid people.

 

[cybrsage]

let's play the telephone game for just 50 years and see what story we get out of it.

How many songs can you sing verbatum? Now, think about that fact that no one even taught you these songs and that they are all but meaningless in the scope of your life.

The Torah is sung. It is vitally important (to those who believe in it), and it was taught from master to student with that importance in mind. The teach is doubly cursed if he does not teach properly. If the teacher believes in what he is teaching, he will ensure the student learns it perfectly.

Songs are amazingly powerful things, they trigger our minds to remember what otherwise would be forgotten.

 

[cybrsage]

Yes, note the plural. And I briefly skimmed the english translations and it refers to other gods (but one ruler of those gods) throughout everything I skimmed.

I dunno, there are many people who have spent their entire lives translating and studying bible translations. For this to be completely missed is a little tough for me to swallow, OTOH, it might have been considered blasphemy for much of history....

The use of plural when God is referring to Himself is one of the things Christians use to support the Trinity. God is referring to all three of portions of Himself (which can each exist seperately from the others, yet comprise one being).

"Let Us make man in Our image"

 

[William Gaatjes]

It really IS amazing that a group of non-expert laypersons achieved such an astounding finding after millenia of study by tens of thousands of scholars, including those fluent in ancient Hebrew. Or, you can accept that experts who spend their lives learning ancient Hebrew and writing entire dissertations on a single line (or, more often, a single word) in the Old Testament. This is equivalent to some nutjob claiming that Plato's works have been mistranslated all along, then trying to ascribe some completely new meaning to what he wrote.

The important feature of science is that every experiment can be repeated and that the same outcome will arise. This just needs verification.
When one has a certain bias, then one will search in that direction and ignore or fail to explain all other findings.
Just wait how this unfolds, if the research is not correct, it is not correct.
If there is some interesting fact discovered, it will be the basis of more research.

I vaguely remember an experiment with droplets. The original experimenter was an established and intelligent man. Yet his results were wrong. But since he was an established and celebrated scientist, nobody doubted his results.
When the experiments were repeated by other unknown scientists, they were biased towards the original results even changing the experimental setup to achieve the same result. Only later it turned out that the unknown scientists indeed performed the experiment correctly and that the established scientist had made an error. I have to do some digging which experiment it was exactly. But i just find this story to have a fitting analogy with everyday research. Unknown scientists fighting to receive more research resources.
If they are wrong, it is wrong. If they are on to something, interesting times may yet appear...