Republicans want to classify pizza and french fries as vegetables

[OutHouse]

Here, all children can have breakfast free before school in the morning too.

in my school district this has been extended free lunches at the school during the summer break.

 

[HumblePie]

First off, to those asking, "What right does the Federal government have in dictating what our children eat at school?"

The answer: Every right for those foods the Federal government is paying for. If you want to give your kids a sack lunch of pizza and fried chicken go for it. If you provide your kid with the money to buy what they want. Go for it. If you can not afford to feed your own child and instead use government money to feed your child, well the government has a say in how that money is spent. This DOES NOT AFFECT the majority of children and school lunches. This only affects those that use government money to purchase school lunches.

Why the argument the Republicans are trying to make this for corporate profits? Well When Regan was in office there was an appropriation bill similar to this. Many corporations spent much money lobbying over things like counting Ketchup as a vegetable. This is because the Federal government dictates that those children using government money to eat school food have to have certain dietary needs met. Which include servings of vegetables, fruits, whole grains, and dairy along with protein. They are trying to provide a balance diet for children that need it. But corporations won then as they are trying to win again. This time removal of tomato paste and fried potato products from being counted as a vegetable serving is being brought up again. Pizza and french fries and fried chicken being served every day aren't part of a balanced or healthy diet for a child. Yet they are on the menu damn near every day because they are cheap and because they are counted as "vegetables and grains and protein" servings by the powers that be currently.

 

[Whiskey16]

Guys, a warning, this is clearly the same "cybrsage" who has been notorious upon other political forums of tech sites. For his debating amusement, he will continue into ad nauseum of only picking with miniscule semantics ("french fries are vegetables").

With high rates of posting he enjoys messing up a thread with argumentative sidelines rather than recognising the crux of an issue -- in this case the full nutritional balance of school meals and those lobbyists who will lose profit in legislative moves to more complex meal programs that can't be satisfied with a mass produced frozen packages and a microwave.

 

[feralkid]

Irrelevant. It does not turn into a fruit, or a meat, etc. It stays a vegetable. Claiming a french fry is not a vegetable is akin to saying Moon is not a natural satellite orbitting the Earth.

Exactly, and a glass of wine counts as a serving of fruit.

My Samsung phone's case is made from corn, bon appetit!

 

[CitizenKain]

Why should tax dollars be used to feed kids? Parents should be paying for their kids food and monitoring what they eat.

What about the people who are struggling to make ends meet and this helps make sure their children are fed?

 

[Jaskalas]

First off, to those asking, "What right does the Federal government have in dictating what our children eat at school?"

The answer: Every right for those foods the Federal government is paying for.

This is the heart of the problem. That money should never have been pilfered to allow these dictations in the first place. The centralized planning must be stopped.

 

[Throckmorton]

Again I ask, are we all in agreement that frying a vegetable does not magically make it no longer a vegetable?

Hey dumbass, the extreme heat destroys a lot of vitamins.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

This is because lobbyists from frozen pizza companies and potato farmers asked them. Again action by congress in the interest of Corps not WE THE PEOPLE.

 

[OutHouse]

I'll assume you aren't aware of the implication of what really happens to a potato once fried..... Adding the oils and fats. Not to mention that potatoes aren't exactly the healthiest of vegetables to begin with.

Hey dumbass, the extreme heat destroys a lot of vitamins.

ok so its now a unhealthy fried vegetable.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

It was a vegetable, until he fried it...at which point it magically turned into meat.

Its actually a tuber, a root of a flowering plant.

 

[HumblePie]

This is the heart of the problem. That money should never have been pilfered to allow these dictations in the first place. The centralized planning must be stopped.

And that is a perfectly valid opinion to have. If you think children should starve because their parents can't afford to feed them that onus is on you. I don't have that same opinion but I would personally like to see every child that attending school have the means to be fed without having the government step in to do it. That would be an ideal utopia. But alas, we live in the real world where some people are poor.

 

[Throckmorton]

ok so its now a unhealthy fried vegetable.

Which is why the federal government is limiting how much can be served to kids using our tax dollars.

 

[Throckmorton]

So what's next, classifying rice as a vegetable because "it comes from a plant"?

 

[OutHouse]

Which is why the federal government is limiting how much can be served to kids using our tax dollars.

the food at my kids school is so nasty that they refuse to eat it. we have made sack lunches for them every day. yesterday was a perfect example. we had a lot going on and forgot to make lunches so i gave them money to buy lunch. guess what they bought from the lunch line. only a can of v8 juice. good for them because i can STAND V8 juice.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

So what's next, classifying rice as a vegetable because "it comes from a plant"?

I was thinking classifying rubber or cotton as a vegetable.

 

[fskimospy]

Tomato Paste has only 1% Saturated Fat in a 1/2 cup service size. If you reduce that by a factor of 4, it becomes 0% (due to the rounding rules).

I used the nutritional info placed on a can of tomato paste. I even provided a link to it. I used the one with salt added, since that is the most likely to be used and also the most popular type purchased.

However, going to your ketsup example, a service size is about 1 cup...not the 9 grams found in a katsup package.

If we use the amount in a ketsup package, we get this:

4% Sodium, 1 % Dietary Fiber, 2% Vitamin A, and everything else is 0%
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/foods-from-hardees/8715/2

But if we use the actual service size (who would, though) we get this:

1% Fat, 111% Sodium, 3% Dietary Fiber, 45% Vitamin A, 60% Vitamin C, 7% Iron
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/3005/2


As a comparison to both tomato paste and ketsup, a raw red tomato (medium sized, 2.5 inches in diameter) provides:

0% Fat, 0% Sodium, 6% Dietary Fiber, 20% Vitamin A, 26% Vitamin C, 2% Iron
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2682/2


Instead of being stupid on purpose, do just a little research. Tomato Paste is not that much different from a raw tomato, with the exception of the added salt.

Nobody is arguing that tomato paste is bad for you, you ridiculous idiot. The argument is how much of it would be required to fulfill federal dietary requirements for vegetables.

 

[Throckmorton]

Republicans don't seem to understand... the reason pizza isn't accepted as a vegetable is because it doesn't contain enough tomato sauce

 

[sandorski]

So what's next, classifying rice as a vegetable because "it comes from a plant"?

Marijuana, Cocaine, and Heroin come from plants. Vegetables?

 

[JSt0rm]

Tomato Paste has only 1% Saturated Fat in a 1/2 cup service size. If you reduce that by a factor of 4, it becomes 0% (due to the rounding rules).

I used the nutritional info placed on a can of tomato paste. I even provided a link to it. I used the one with salt added, since that is the most likely to be used and also the most popular type purchased.

However, going to your ketsup example, a service size is about 1 cup...not the 9 grams found in a katsup package.

If we use the amount in a ketsup package, we get this:

4% Sodium, 1 % Dietary Fiber, 2% Vitamin A, and everything else is 0%
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/foods-from-hardees/8715/2

But if we use the actual service size (who would, though) we get this:

1% Fat, 111% Sodium, 3% Dietary Fiber, 45% Vitamin A, 60% Vitamin C, 7% Iron
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/3005/2


As a comparison to both tomato paste and ketsup, a raw red tomato (medium sized, 2.5 inches in diameter) provides:

0% Fat, 0% Sodium, 6% Dietary Fiber, 20% Vitamin A, 26% Vitamin C, 2% Iron
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2682/2


Instead of being stupid on purpose, do just a little research. Tomato Paste is not that much different from a raw tomato, with the exception of the added salt.

I already stated earlier in the thread that 1/2 cup of tomato paste is considered a serving of veggies. As for the rest of your jibber I don't have time to read it.

 

[OutHouse]

I was thinking classifying rubber or cotton as a vegetable.

rubber comes from a tree so it is now a fruit.

 

[1prophet]

Nope.

You get riots where things get damaged, people hurt and a general "reduction in property value".

When people are irritated, they complain.

When people are suffering, they fight.

And usually in their own neighborhoods destroying the few things of value that's why many people don't care.

Remember the LA riots, it wasn't Simi valley or Beverley hills that was being torched.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

Many of the disturbances were concentrated in South Central Los Angeles, which was primarily composed of African American and Hispanic residents. Half of all riot arrestees and more than a third of those killed during the violence were Hispanic.[25][26]

 

[Ninjahedge]

And usually in their own neighborhoods destroying the few things of value that's why many people don't care.

Remember the LA riots, it wasn't Simi valley or Beverley hills that was being torched.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1992_Los_Angeles_riots

I never said rioters were SMART.

The thing is, when things get too far out of hand, stuff spreads.

 

[cybrsage]

Guys, a warning, this is clearly the same "cybrsage" who has been notorious upon other political forums of tech sites. For his debating amusement, he will continue into ad nauseum of only picking with miniscule semantics ("french fries are vegetables").

I am not the one who claimed french fries are NOT vegetables. I simply refuted the statement.

If you have a problem with me debunking the false claim, take it up with the guy who made the false claim.

 

[cybrsage]

Hey dumbass, the extreme heat destroys a lot of vitamins.

Irrelevant. It does not magically make it no longer a vegetable. It stays a vegetable, just turns into an unhealthy one.

I can take a carrot - which we all know is a healthy vegetable, and coat it in lard, deep fry it, then cover it in smashed oreo cookies, and deep fry it again. Does the carrot magically stop being a vegetable? No. Does it stop being healthy? Yes.

Before you denigrate others, you need to seriously think about how much of a dumbass you will appear to be with your statement.

 

[JSt0rm]

Irrelevant. It does not magically make it no longer a vegetable. It stays a vegetable, just turns into an unhealthy one.

I can take a carrot - which we all know is a healthy vegetable, and coat it in lard, deep fry it, then cover it in smashed oreo cookies, and deep fry it again. Does the carrot magically stop being a vegetable? No. Does it stop being healthy? Yes.

Before you denigrate others, you need to seriously think about how much of a dumbass you will appear to be with your statement.

Ok for fucks sake. Nobody is arguing that a French fry isn't made from potatoes. Nobody is arguing this point. Don't be stupid.