Republicans want to classify pizza and french fries as vegetables

[cybrsage]

I'll assume you aren't aware of the implication of what really happens to a potato once fried..... Adding the oils and fats. Not to mention that potatoes aren't exactly the healthiest of vegetables to begin with.

Irrelevant. It does not turn into a fruit, or a meat, etc. It stays a vegetable. Claiming a french fry is not a vegetable is akin to saying Moon is not a natural satellite orbitting the Earth.

 

[thepd7]

OP's title is what's wrong with America.

First off, the house and senate are fighting to keep things the same as they are not, not change anything as the title implies.

Secondly, these bills are being introduced by the Senate. What's the current party standings of the Senate?

 

[BurnItDwn]

Dumb, de, dumb... yet again the inexusably bad example of aspects of the US educational system rears its ugly head again. It must be that common factor for this gross repetition throughout the USA for this grave and common error.

A republic only denotes the lack of a monarch as head of state and has another representative. In your case, ELECTED, via a DEMOCRATIC election.

No, dude, the USA is a democracy. Like every other democracy in this world, it is a representative democracy. Specifically the USA is a constitionally representative democracy.Canada, the UK, Netherlands, etc, are constitionally represenative monarchiess, where the representive legislating and governing governments, like yours, are also formed with democratic elections.

The common fallacy I find among you lot is a piss poor knowledge and belief that democracy may only be pure votes for all decisions. Not a single state exists nor ever has existed in such a manner. No, the health and extent of a democracy is to what level of the population may vote for plebicides and/or representation. No state has an absolute democracy where all vote for every decision. Limitations upon who may vote have or remain based upon age, sex, race, citizenship, land title, geographic residence, political party membership, incarceration, etc... No state has ever employed pure and unfettered democracy for its people, thereby blackangst1, you look rather piss poor in declaring the USA not to be a democratic state.

Absoluely dividing and conflating with a comparison/contrast between democracy to repulicanism only adds to the shame upon ya...

Every month or so I seem to be giving the same lecture to correct the same glaring ignorance of fundamental politics.

An example of tomato paste and french fries being lacklustre developmental cuisine?

Actually, I think the USA is technically a plutocracy ...

 

[etrigan420]

Actually, I think the USA is technically a plutocracy ...

Idiocracy.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Idiocracy.

If we have already reached Idiocracy, it came quicker then expected...

 

[fskimospy]

OP's title is what's wrong with America.

First off, the house and senate are fighting to keep things the same as they are not, not change anything as the title implies.

Secondly, these bills are being introduced by the Senate. What's the current party standings of the Senate?

Who cares?

I fail to see how it's relevant whether or not pizza is currently classified as a vegetable or not. Obama would like to change this, Republicans want to continue classifying it as a vegetable. The title is perfectly reasonable.

Secondly, these bills are not being introduced by the Senate. They are part of an appropriations bill, which by law must be introduced by the House.

 

[JSt0rm]

Misleading title.

actually under current regulation tomato paste is a vegetable, only you would need 1/2 cup of tomato paster per slice to make it have enough. You would know this if you did your due diligence as a informed person.

 

[JSt0rm]

OP's title is what's wrong with America.

First off, the house and senate are fighting to keep things the same as they are not, not change anything as the title implies.

they are trying to remove the new standard for children's lunches that are healthier. They are doing this for corporate profit.

 

[chowderhead]

When these kids grow up from eating all these healthy vegetables, they can all get jobs in the manufacturing industry
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/20/politics/main601336.shtml

 

[PeshakJang]

they are trying to remove the new standard for children's lunches that are healthier. They are doing this for corporate profit.

Please explain how corporate profits will be affected if the law were to pass.

Please explain exactly what will change, how much it will cost whom, and what schools as well as service providers will do in response to this.

Also please cite some figures showing the dollar amount we are talking about changing, where funds will flow, and how the maket will change as a result.

In detail, please. No more of this liberal hand-waving math that's been the defacto standard for all claims relating to economics.

 

[fskimospy]

Please explain how corporate profits will be affected if the law were to pass.

Please explain exactly what will change, how much it will cost whom, and what schools as well as service providers will do in response to this.

Also please cite some figures showing the dollar amount we are talking about changing, where funds will flow, and how the maket will change as a result.

In detail, please. No more of this liberal hand-waving math that's been the defacto standard for all claims relating to economics.

Is this really that hard to figure out? If these regulations are put into effect, the ability of schools to use pizza/etc to fulfill federal nutrition requirements will be removed. That almost certainly means schools will serve pizza less often, leading to lower profits for the pizza makers.

I know you're trying to do a thing here, but asking people to predict the exact way this would play out is absurd. The idea that it will negatively impact pizza makers in that way is not even disputed in any way that I'm aware of.

 

[PeshakJang]

Is this really that hard to figure out? If these regulations are put into effect, the ability of schools to use pizza/etc to fulfill federal nutrition requirements will be removed. That almost certainly means schools will serve pizza less often, leading to lower profits for the pizza makers.

I know you're trying to do a thing here, but asking people to predict the exact way this would play out is absurd. The idea that it will negatively impact pizza makers in that way is not even disputed in any way that I'm aware of.

Ok, so now the argument is that the Republicans are blocking this bill to the detriment of our children for the sole benefit of the profits of the shitty-square-institutional pizza industry?

Keep going...

 

[cybrsage]

It also fails to take into account that the company providing the pizza also provides all the other food the school uses.

 

[PeshakJang]

On a side note, I only wish Democrats were this enthusiastic about attaching strings to other hand-outs.

Isn't this the same as giving people unemployment checks and telling them they can't go buy beer and cigarettes? It's a poor decision to do so, so why shouldn't the government make it for them?

 

[fskimospy]

Ok, so now the argument is that the Republicans are blocking this bill to the detriment of our children for the sole benefit of the profits of the shitty-square-institutional pizza industry?

Keep going...

Of course not. Are you capable of making an argument that doesn't have some incredibly obvious flaw in it?

 

[cybrsage]

So are we all in agreement that frying a vegetable does not magically make the vegetable turn into meat...or fruit...or something other than a vegetable?

 

[PeshakJang]

Of course not. Are you capable of making an argument that doesn't have some incredibly obvious flaw in it?

The 'argument' was made that Republicans are doing this to protect corporate profits (as is always the argument). I asked for details and specific references upon which this claim was based. The reply was that it was obviously the pizza manufacturers and that it's so obvious that I'd be a fool to question it (again, as is always the argument)

I'm just restating exactly what you are telling me. Feel free to elaborate on your claim if you feel I am misrepresenting it.

 

[fskimospy]

The 'argument' was made that Republicans are doing this to protect corporate profits (as is always the argument). I asked for details and specific references upon which this claim was based. The reply was that it was obviously the pizza manufacturers and that it's so obvious that I'd be a fool to question it (again, as is always the argument)

I'm just restating exactly what you are telling me. Feel free to elaborate on your claim if you feel I am misrepresenting it.

Just because that would be one motivation would not mean that it was their SOLE motivation as you stated. As usual, you need to create a straw man to knock down because you're otherwise so shitty at this.

 

[cybrsage]

I also want some details into this conspiracy that was mentioned. If the following is true:

If these regulations are put into effect, the ability of schools to use pizza/etc to fulfill federal nutrition requirements will be removed. That almost certainly means schools will serve pizza less often, leading to lower profits for the pizza makers.

Then there has to be some data to back up that the school lunch pizza consortium is powerful enough to control Congress.

A few reputable links will suffice. Please do not use any that also include the terms "super thermite" or "Thetan".

 

[JSt0rm]

The 'argument' was made that Republicans are doing this to protect corporate profits (as is always the argument). I asked for details and specific references upon which this claim was based. The reply was that it was obviously the pizza manufacturers and that it's so obvious that I'd be a fool to question it (again, as is always the argument)

I'm just restating exactly what you are telling me. Feel free to elaborate on your claim if you feel I am misrepresenting it.

Would you shut the fuck up. I dont have time to prove you wrong. There is lobbying being done to roll back the new nutritional requirements for school lunches because it costs more. Thats reality. Whatever num nut shit you have going on inside your fucked up brain has nothing to do with that reality.

 

[JSt0rm]

I also want some details into this conspiracy that was mentioned. If the following is true:



Then there has to be some data to back up that the school lunch pizza consortium is powerful enough to control Congress.

A few reputable links will suffice. Please do not use any that also include the terms "super thermite" or "Thetan".

I swear this is the dumbest group on the internet.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=142332405

From the link

"Nutritionists say the whole effort is reminiscent of the Reagan administration's much-ridiculed attempt 30 years ago to classify ketchup as a vegetable to cut costs. This time around, food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt industry and potato growers requested the changes and lobbied Congress."

 

[JSt0rm]

do you see that they lobbied now?

Eat a dick.

 

[poncherelli2]

Tomato is a fruit (except in the eyes of the Supreme Court)

 

[JSt0rm]

Tomato is a fruit (except in the eyes of the Supreme Court)

Yeah I always thought this was funny

 

[ElFenix]

pea are starchy?

The feds probably give states money to help feed kids. If the states want the money, they have to live up to certain standards.

Nothing is being dictated.

i think there's something wrong with the feds taking money that should have stayed with the states and then making the states dance to get the money back.

it's like some side road construction going on here in harris county. there's federal money all over the place. it's not an interstate. it's not a US highway. it's a side street. why the fuck are the feds involved?

if the feds weren't involved then lobbyist assholes like the pizza company wouldn't be bribing congress.