Republican Riot Squad

[etech]

ride525, I was in the Navy and have seen the guys in the post office scramble to get the mail bags out when a helo was coming in. Especially on the smaller ships it is not a reguraly scheduled occurance. It is possible in the haste to get the mail out they did not post mark all of the letters. It is not an unusual occurence to get unpostmarked mail from ships in the Navy.

The question is, if the ballots were signed and witsnessed by the proper date, should they be thrown out because of no postmark?

 

[Futuramatic]

Ver-

They are postmarked. Any screw-up with the postmark is the USPS's fault. They were flown in off of carriers and battleships at seas (not all, but a bunch). After that chopper took off, ther was no way for them to control what kind of postmark it got.

And it isnt that ther was a Republican behind that door. It was the fact that the act of shutting that door was illegal. You sound like the British did back in the 18th century (no offense).

ride-

If they were land based ballots, fine, you have a point. What about all the ballots from crewman at sea? No post office on a battleship is there?

Besides, who cares if they say APO? Its the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, whose intent is CLEARLY MARKED. just another example of how Gore wants to manipulate the rules (and even his own words) to benefit HIMSELF ONLY. IF you can count a ballot that is "dimpled" cause it wasnt punched, you sure as hell can count overseas absentee ballots (which are much harder to fill out than a simple punch card) where the only thing that might be missing is a stamp or a date (which is not required anyway... there isnt even a spot for it on the ballot).

[joke]
I know the next standard that Gore will wnat to use: If the voter LOOKED at Gore's name, regardless of waht was punched or dimpled, that is a vote for Gore!
[/joke]

 

[Futuramatic]

Vera-

I agree. All votes where intent is clear should be counted. I do not believe that a ballot where all the holes are punched through EXCEPT the one for President (where it is dimpled) is a clear example of intent.

Now, if several places on the ballot are dimpled, that would show that the person had some difficulty with the ballot. That is fine, I would agree that if you can tell which one was intended to be punched, that it should be counted.

 

[veryape]

Another thing about those military ballots. At the time they left the ship it was known that they would likely be very decisive in who would win the presidency and they still did not postmark them. Now that is just foolish and totally their fault it seems. It just seems someone should be held accountable for the mistake,but not the voter.

 

[Tripleshot]

etech
Who pulled your chain? I don't recall addressing you at all.

The Dems want ALL the ballots counted.

The Reps want all the ballot counting halted.

Tell me,oh wise one---Who is seeking the truth and who is hiding from it?

 

[ride525]

<< If they were land based ballots, fine, you have a point. What about all the ballots from crewman at sea? No post office on a battleship is there? >>



I would guess that mail from servicemen goes through some sort of postmark process.

The postmark is there for a reason. To ensure that the ballot was cast by Election Day, November 7.

If there is some way to count ballots cast by November 7, I'm all for it.
Leiberman has asked for a second look, as has the Democratic Attorney General. Again, I'd like to see as many ballots cast by November 7 counted.

 

[Tiger]

People,

The votes from overseas servicemen and women are legal if they were signed and dated by election day. They require no postmark by federal law. Florida doesn't have it's own mail system no matter what the SoS of Florida has to say.

 

[Futuramatic]

Red, I hope your inflammatory nature is due to this election &quot;process.&quot; I know mine is :|

I still do not understand the Nazi comment. I am not a part of the goverment. I do not know how I could oppress someone without that power. Besides, I always thought it was the citizen's duty to step in when the government got out of control or acted in an illegal manner.

Rabble rouser? I asked you in the past, and you posted ON THIS BOARD that your sole reason for being here is to piss people off. You hardly ever offer anything to a conversation but insults. What are your views? What do you think should happen here? Post on that for once. You sit ther are spout your crap, but never offer anything constructive. My posts are LEGIBLE, however, yours leave something to be desired.

I am up for debate. I live for it. You want debate something, shoot away.

 

[Futuramatic]

People keep posting that Republicans are Facists... How?

Democrats ARE socialists though. Redistribution of wealth and government control of society are two of the biggest characterisics.

ride-

Geez, I said it three times already. They ARE postmarked! They just dont have the APO mark on them.

Ver-

-Okay, lets set up a scenario: A chopper is going to go get the ballots, but due to mechanical problems, they are unable to get them in time for the votes to count.

-Soldiers/sailors are unable to get to a post office in time due to a change in their ordes, and where they are going now has no post office, so their votes don't count.

So far you are thinking &quot;tough crap,&quot; arent ya?

-A voter cannot decipher a simple ballot that was circulated prior to the election and approved by the Democratic election lady (dunno her title), so voter's vote doesn't count

-A voter is unable to punch the hole in the card for whatever reason (faulty machine, not enuf strength, jsut didnt realize it didnt punch) and that person's vote doesn't count.

Still saying &quot;tough crap?&quot;

Point: There are circumstances beyond the control of the voter (and some that are not) that nullify votes. This is not unusual, but what makes that voter at the polling location any more special than the one overseas defending the weak and/or abused?

 

[Tripleshot]

fas·cist (plural fas·cists) or Fas·cist supporter of fascism: somebody who supports or advocates a system of government characterized by dictatorship, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism



Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

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so·cial·ism [ssh l&igrave;zm ] noun 1. political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles

 

[Tiger]

so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm) n.


A social system in which the means of producing and distributing goods are owned collectively and political power is exercised by the whole community.

The theory or practice of those who support such a social system.

The building of the material base for communism under the dictatorship of the proletariat in Marxist-Leninist theory.

From Dictionary.com, emphasis added to the part Tripleshot left out.

 

[Futuramatic]

Red-

The democrats are squeaky clean here? They have done nothing wrong? Why is it you target the Republicans? They are not corrupting the process. They are not resorting to underhand tactics (I gotta go to store, or I would list em) to thief the election. They want the process as it was intended to proceed and end. The Democrats want the process rewritten. May I remind you that the Democratic Supreme Court of Florida took it on THEMSELVES to take up the case of certification? Nobody asked them to do it.

The gun thing was supposed to be a poke at my own political affiliation, evidently it was too subtle. I carry my gun everywhere, but I would not storm the courthouse with it drawn. I thought that the storming of the courthouse looked mob-ish, but I also feel it was necessary to get the process back out into the open.

I don't listen to the Republican talk shows or such right now because they CAN be slanted. I try to decipher facts from a variety of media source, which are typcailly liberal, and form my own opinion.

 

[Format C:]

You guys are missing the point on the postmarks. Katherine Harris, following STATE law, stated essentially no postmark-no vote and that was the right thing to do because state law specifically says such. The FEDERAL statutes regarding overseas ballots however, states postmarked OR signed and dated. The Florida Supreme Court even listed this very statute in their ruling with the notation that federal law always subordinates state law. If that is indeed the case then why such a furor over following the law? Is it not clear to everyone that even though the no postmark-no vote ruling was legal and proper under state law that on that particular issue Federal law should have been followed instead?

I have the utmost respect and appreciation for the military, but MORE for the rule of law. Even though it would be a shame that military votes were cast out because of a technicality, if that technicality just happened to be LAW, then so be it. You cannot make exceptions to the law for ANY group regardless of your feelings about them or their status. The law must be applied equally to everyone with no exceptions or we have no law. As I see it the matter is perfectly clear. Federal law supercedes state law when the two are in conflict and that was the position taken by the State Supreme Court, therefore those ballots should be looked at again and the determination made as to their validity based on State AND Federal law. If there are other reasons, under either law, why they should be cast out then cast them out with no exceptions to the law being made for anyone, INCLUDING the military. If the ONLY reason they were invalidated was because they bore no foreign/APO/FPO postmark then they should be counted as mandated by Federal law with no politics of either side entering into the decision. Simple enough?

 

[Futuramatic]

3shot-

Yep, that is the definition of facism. Dunno why you posted it, I knew what it was, I jsut don't see how it applies to the Republicans.

Tiger-

Yep, that is how they work. &quot;Editted (sp?) or your brainwashing.&quot;

 

[Tripleshot]

Tiger

You need a fascist dictator to produce the communism you elude to.

I refer to Bush as acting like a fascist in allowing,not protesting,the repression in Miami/Dade. Sending in busloads of rioters, bribing them with trinkets such as infalmmatory T-shirts to wear as they protest,suppling them with the placards to wave at the entrances of these vote counting places,and, as being introduced for the public record and for the attorney generals review is the evidedence that this is paid for by republican party funds and advocated,if not directed form on high,by GW.

It would be his responsibility to tone down the level of rhetoric and allow the counting of these ballots to continue. You do not see that happening ,do you?

 

[SJ]

Uh hello IDIOTS. Gore has done the same thing. Gore intimidated Broward and Dade into doing had recounts.

Not to mention the Gore supporters were doing the same damn crap the first two weeks. Bunch of HYPOCRITS is all I can say. Dade did a very smart thing, they have a very bad history with fraud, almost every election in the '90s. The protest in the hallway was started by republican observers kicked out when Dade decided to count only the undervote. See for years, the democrats had all the thugs, now the republicans stole the democrat hand book, and got themselves some thugs too.

Bush dropped the case, in Leon county because, the proper way to do that is go by county, and file suits in each county.

Tripleshot, when will you get this through your THICK SKULL. The dems have done the same stuff. Oh wait, its ok if your people do it, but oh no the republicans can't thats illegal. BS.

 

[ride525]

Gore has NOT done the same thing. From CNN:

<< The letter described the actions cited in the reports as &quot;chilling,&quot; and said they included: &quot;punching and kicking individuals, pounding on doors, screaming threats and other intimidating acts. In addition, published reports suggest strongly that these actions were orchestrated by the Bush campaign. If these actions actually occurred, they could amount to voter intimidation in violation of federal law.&quot; >>



How far will the Republican Party go.

 

[MrPALCO]

<< The Dems want ALL the ballots counted.

The Reps want all the ballot counting halted.

Tell me,oh wise one---Who is seeking the truth and who is hiding from it? >>



The votes have been counted twice.

Now the Democrat &quot;Leadership&quot; want them counted again, out of sight of observers........hmmm.

Wasn't it Stalin who said, &quot;I don't need the votes, just the people who count them&quot;.

Democrats... your time of unrestricted access to the minds of the innocent has ended, we have decided to take back what is ours.

Join us.... or fall into the abyss...

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<< Are you a constitutional Lawyer? If not then what you are saying is not to be even coinsidered. >>



Hmmm....this way of &quot;thinking?&quot; is a good example of the mindset of the Democrat, worshiping Law that only a &quot;lawyer&quot; can explain to them. Men of Honor can read the law for themselves...

 

[Tripleshot]

SJ

You advocate mob rule to acheive your goals? And you would call those who think that is foolish and counterproductive, idiots?

Lock and load.You and and Futermatic will save us from ourselves.

Thank You

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opps,add Mr palco to your group. Sorry to have excluded you. They may need your leadership.

 

[Michael]

ride525 - The Republicans have written letters and taken sworn statements that the ballots are being mishandled during the manual counts. I tell you what, let's accept both letters. Miami-Dade can recount, but the counts will not really count because the ballots have been tampered with.

Fair enough? <grin>

Michael

 

[ride525]

<< Now the Democrat &quot;Leadership&quot; want them counted again, out of sight of observers........hmmm. >>



Another Republican ummmm....misstatement. There are both Republican and Democratic observers.

 

[SJ]

I do not advocate violence. All Im saying is the dems have has just as chaotic protests. Bottom line is Dade won't do a hand recount now, and I doubt any court will force them too. Gore has lost, hes going to loose the hand recount, and I have a feeling the US Supremes will side with the Bush and the Florida Legislature/Florida SOS.

 

[BoberFett]

Tripleshot

If you could see past the end of your nose, you'd be aware that your beloved fellow Democrats are just as myopic and partisan as the Republicans you so passionately hate. Better go back and see about the prescription on those bifocals old man.

Futuramic

The reason the Republicans are being targeted is because they're stooping down to the same level as the whining Democrats. Like Red said, if the counting is found to be in violation of Florida statutes saying that the vote count must be open to the public, then they'll pay for it. When the results of the recount are invalidated, won't that be sweet victory? Let the Dems cheat, they can't win. Too bad there's a bunch of Neanderthals on the Republican side who can't seem to get it through their early hominid skulls that you don't have to start riots to win the battle.

 

[ride525]

Sigh.....I wish we could do a revote in Florida.

No One is going to trust the results of this one.

 

[Crimson]

Here goes Red, ruining another political thread with his insults.. Come on Red, Nazi's!? Is that the best you could do.. I think Red's antics on this bulletin board has been more disruptive than GUTB or Paulson ever were. I think Red Dawn should be banned. Others have been banned for less than Red Dawn is doing.