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Repeat after me: "I don't live in a police state" (UK)

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HAL9000 said:
You shouldn't be able to defend yourself with weapons against the police.
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Please hold still while they pummel you about the head and body
 
25 threads: "But, there are cameras everywhere! Don't you Brits hate this invasion of your privacy?"

Hal: "You're in public, you have no expectation of privacy."

25 other threads: "You don't have freedom of speech. Newspapers are even legally stopped from publishing information such as a football player dating someone and cheating on his wife. They had pictures of the two together, pictures of him arriving at the hotel she was staying at, etc. Lots of pictures of them together in public places."

Hal: "We value the right to privacy, more than the right of free speech."


Seems to me you don't have either right; you're merely deluding yourself.

Back on the topic of this thread - I've been on a school bus with a group of students who were showing each other their knives that they were carrying. Some of those knives would probably be illegal in England. This amuses me. (I chaperone a lot of camping/hiking trips; we take our students hiking 10-15 miles to camp in relatively wilderness areas; many miles from the nearest road - knives are a necessity on such a trip.)
 
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Brigandier said:
I've always wondered...If you oppose individual firearm ownership, how can you grant that power to the collective? One moron cannot own a gun, but a lot of fucking morons can decide when guns are needed?

Humans don't get smarter as we congregate...
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Well you see that's where I disagree, while one moron making decisions is a very bad idea, when people get together they think more rationally and based on a less biased way of viewing things, they think about what happens when this law is applied to them, as well as what happens when it is applied to everyone. Rather than just thinking about what is best for them they evaluate what is best for the collective. Resulting in a far more rational less emotional line of though.

MovingTarget said:
Offensive speech/hate speech....two sides of the same coin. Again, who decides? The elected representatives in your House of Commons? Do the Monarchy or House of Lords have any input? Why should any other human at all, elected or not, be able to make that decision?

Also, it isn't immaturity, but experience that has taught us that governments must be held accountable to their citizens - first by the ballot box, and then by the muzzle of a weapon if the first fails. YOU taught us that. We have seen that scenario played out all over the world ever since. Only the nations and governments involved have changed.
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It's absurd to think that if my vote doesn't make a change in government I should pick up a gun and force a change, the majority rule as in any democracy, given that the country is run by the people we would be arming ourselves against ourselves. Absurd.

Brigandier said:
Not at all, troll not found. I like Hal, he provides a good counter-point to North American thought. he actually makes me examine and re-evaluate my beliefs, and I bet he does it to you too, but you call him a troll for that.
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Thank you kindly sir, I believe every word that I write, some people disagree with me, which is fine, but I'm not here to get anyone emotionally riled up, i'm here for debate.
 
DrPizza said:
25 threads: "But, there are cameras everywhere! Don't you Brits hate this invasion of your privacy?"

Hal: "You're in public, you have no expectation of privacy."

25 other threads: "You don't have freedom of speech. Newspapers are even legally stopped from publishing information such as a football player dating someone and cheating on his wife. They had pictures of the two together, pictures of him arriving at the hotel she was staying at, etc. Lots of pictures of them together in public places."

Hal: "We value the right to privacy, more than the right of free speech."


Seems to me you don't have either right; you're merely deluding yourself.

Back on the topic of this thread - I've been on a school bus with a group of students who were showing each other their knives that they were carrying. Some of those knives would probably be illegal in England. This amuses me. (I chaperone a lot of camping/hiking trips; we take our students hiking 10-15 miles to camp in relatively wilderness areas; many miles from the nearest rode - knives are a necessity on such a trip.)
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I love that you still have students that can carry knives and not come into conflict with some kind of zero tolerance policy.
 
DrPizza said:
25 threads: "But, there are cameras everywhere! Don't you Brits hate this invasion of your privacy?"

Hal: "You're in public, you have no expectation of privacy."

25 other threads: "You don't have freedom of speech. Newspapers are even legally stopped from publishing information such as a football player dating someone and cheating on his wife. They had pictures of the two together, pictures of him arriving at the hotel she was staying at, etc. Lots of pictures of them together in public places."

Hal: "We value the right to privacy, more than the right of free speech."

Seems to me you don't have either right; you're merely deluding yourself.
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We have both, the right to privacy is important, but not in a public place, that is why it's called a public place and not a private place.

Back on the topic of this thread - I've been on a school bus with a group of students who were showing each other their knives that they were carrying. Some of those knives would probably be illegal in England. This amuses me. (I chaperone a lot of camping/hiking trips; we take our students hiking 10-15 miles to camp in relatively wilderness areas; many miles from the nearest rode - knives are a necessity on such a trip.)
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I was a scout, we carried knives, small pocket knives we carried them legally because they were small and because we had a valid reason to carry them, that hasn't changed.

There isn't anywhere you could go hiking in the UK where you would need a massive knife.
 
ConstipatedVigilante said:
Carrying a weapon for self-defense makes pretty damn good sense to me. The fact that you have become reliant on your government for basic self-preservation is pretty pathetic.
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We are reliant on each other, we are part of a society, not some chaotic country where everyone is out for themselves, backed into a corner and armed to the teeth.

There is no need to carry a weapon for self defence, let alone a firearm.

ConstipatedVigilante said:
Wow. Now that's the definition of brainwashing in a police state.
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I disagree, if you need to defend yourself against the police you're a criminal.

guyver01 said:
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Please hold still while they pummel you about the head and body
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Oh you're right that situation would have been a lot better if the crowd were properly armed 🙄
 
HAL9000 said:
Oh you're right that situation would have been a lot better if the crowd were properly armed 🙄
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Yes.. it would have been... the police wouldn't have been so brazen to assault and beat protesters who woulda fought back..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...truck-G20-protestor-faces-assault-charge.html

http://theduckshoot.com/blog/police-brutality-london-g20-assault-officer-charged/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2366491.ece

The helmeted officer, seemingly unprovoked, appears to strike Mr Tomlinson on the leg with a baton.
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guyver01 said:
Yes.. it would have been... the police wouldn't have been so brazen to assault and beat protesters who woulda fought back..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...truck-G20-protestor-faces-assault-charge.html

http://theduckshoot.com/blog/police-brutality-london-g20-assault-officer-charged/

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2366491.ece
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Ok so you're saying because one police officer assaulted someone during a protest, who was photographed doing it and it found it's way into news paper causing outrage everyone should be armed at a protest? 🙄

Because in America there's obviously no police brutality ever...
 
HAL9000 said:
Ok so you're saying because one police officer assaulted someone during a protest, who was photographed doing it and it found it's way into news paper causing outrage everyone should be armed at a protest? 🙄

Because in America there's obviously no police brutality ever...
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Police Brutality occurrs because the people are not armed to defend themselves.

The one cowardly bobby would have thought twice about assaulting a protester, if he knew the protester would stab him if he tried to strike.
 
guyver01 said:
Police Brutality occurrs because the people are not armed to defend themselves.

The one cowardly bobby would have thought twice about assaulting a protester, if he knew the protester would stab him if he tried to strike.
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So Police Brutality doesn't happen in America?

It happens everywhere no matter what, arming citizens just means that police are then better armed, which means that when there is police brutality someone dies. It's a pointless escalation.

Howard said:
You know, I'm really glad you can't vote on this side of the world.
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OK.
 
HAL9000 said:
We are reliant on each other, we are part of a society, not some chaotic country where everyone is out for themselves, backed into a corner and armed to the teeth.

There is no need to carry a weapon for self defence, let alone a firearm.



I disagree, if you need to defend yourself against the police you're a criminal.



Oh you're right that situation would have been a lot better if the crowd were properly armed 🙄
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I'm usually a pro police person but this has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever seen written on these forums 🙂
 
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