Rep. Alan Grayson

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Elias824
You know if we just killed anyone who needed care, we wouldnt be in this healthcare mess. The cure would be as cheap as a 9mm round

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[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

And yet the democrats did not bring up healthcare for the past 8 years. People are DYING every 12 minutes because of the lack of healthcare and they don't EVEN TRY to bring up a bill? Even when they controlled both houses of congress?!

The democrat plan won't even take effect for a few years.. WHY ARE THE DEMOCRATS KILLING AMERICANS?!?!

Democrat plan: Die slowly so we can continue to vote democratic and we'll just keep extending the issue out for decades without passing anything.

Good if it keeps you mother fucking America haters out of power.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Bush vetoes child health insurance plan
Die quickly children.

Most states already offer a child health insurance program. Why put implement a redundant costly program at the federal level?

and if you are in a state that doesn't?

Die children die quickly certainly applies by Republican standards.

Thank you for admitting it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Good for Rep. Alan Grayson. We need more Congressmen like him.

We need someone who will continuously call the Republicans and their supporters morons and traitors for wanting to keep the current health care system and for opposing European-style national health care.

Now Republicans are TRAITORS for opposing government run health care?

/facepalm

Yes. The U.S. is spending about 17% of its GDP on health care while leaving tens of millions of people uninsured or under-insured with the rest living in mortal terror of losing their health insurance and jobs. The U.S. also suffers a great many medical bankruptcies and our current system acts as a load on businesses which spend a significant amount of time and money worrying about health care benefits.

In contrast, other nations are spending a far, far smaller percentage of their GDP on health care while having 100% coverage, a more content populace, zero medical bankrupticies, and their businesses aren't burdened with insurance concerns.

The Republicans who moonlight as free market dogmatists are standing in the way of Americans adopting a tried-and-proven form of socialized medicine. They are serving the interests of often wealthy stakeholders in the health care industry, such as insurance and pharmaceutical executives, and not the interests of the American people. Furthermore, by supporting the current status quo they are supporting the existence of Death Panels at private insurance companies. Therefore, the Republican and their supporters are traitors.

Note also that the Republicans favor foreign outsourcing, the displacement of Americans from college-education-requiring knowledge-based jobs by foreigners on work visas such as the H-1B and L-1, and mass immigration, both legal and illegal. (Bush and McCain support illegal alien amnesty.)

 

[BoberFett]

So should living in our society come with any responsibility? Or does just being born here guarantee you shelter, food, a welfare check and now health care for life?

Keep chipping away at the reasons for a person to work and eventually they won't.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Yes, because health care makes being poor awesome.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So should living in our society come with any responsibility? Or does just being born here guarantee you shelter, food, a welfare check and now health care for life?

Keep chipping away at the reasons for a person to work and eventually they won't.

Just keep chipping away at the American standard of living by farming out jobs and letting illegals in to undercut the pay/benefits on the jobs that can't be farmed out.

You reap what you sow.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yes, because health care makes being poor awesome.

Define poor. If you get all of your necessities given to you, are you really poor?

Hell, we have a generation coming in who could live quite happily if the only thing life consisted of was posting on Facebook and MySpace 24/7, living in their subsidized housing and eating food they bought with food stamps.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So should living in our society come with any responsibility? Or does just being born here guarantee you shelter, food, a welfare check and now health care for life?

Keep chipping away at the reasons for a person to work and eventually they won't.

Just keep chipping away at the American standard of living by farming out jobs and letting illegals in to undercut the pay/benefits on the jobs that can't be farmed out.

You reap what you sow.

Complaining about illegal immigrants? Careful, you're going to get kicked out of the Democrat club.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So should living in our society come with any responsibility? Or does just being born here guarantee you shelter, food, a welfare check and now health care for life?

Keep chipping away at the reasons for a person to work and eventually they won't.

The problem is that a great many people cannot meet their responsibilities and be self-reliant because both political parties and the wealthy have conspired to destroy the economy and to destroy the ladders of upward mobility. Foreign outsourcing, foreign work visas, and mass immigration are examples of this.

To hear you guys tell it, the unemployed and underemployed don't want to work in the fields they trained and prepared to work in and jobs are abundant and falling off the trees.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: BoberFettComplaining about illegal immigrants? Careful, you're going to get kicked out of the Democrat club.

Perhaps he's just an independent who despises both parties? It's not like the Republicans aren't in favor of mass immigration, foreign work visas, and foreign outsourcing themselves. Remember, both Bush and McCain support illegal alien amnesty.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yes, because health care makes being poor awesome.

Define poor. If you get all of your necessities given to you, are you really poor?

Hell, we have a generation coming in who could live quite happily if the only thing life consisted of was posting on Facebook and MySpace 24/7, living in their subsidized housing and eating food they bought with food stamps.

How about you go live in subsidized housing and live on food stamps and you tell me if you feel poor or not.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: BoberFett
So should living in our society come with any responsibility? Or does just being born here guarantee you shelter, food, a welfare check and now health care for life?

Keep chipping away at the reasons for a person to work and eventually they won't.

Just keep chipping away at the American standard of living by farming out jobs and letting illegals in to undercut the pay/benefits on the jobs that can't be farmed out.

You reap what you sow.

Complaining about illegal immigrants? Careful, you're going to get kicked out of the Democrat club.

I call them the way I see them.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yes, because health care makes being poor awesome.

Define poor. If you get all of your necessities given to you, are you really poor?

Hell, we have a generation coming in who could live quite happily if the only thing life consisted of was posting on Facebook and MySpace 24/7, living in their subsidized housing and eating food they bought with food stamps.

How about you go live in subsidized housing and live on food stamps and you tell me if you feel poor or not.

How about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: BoberFettHow about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

It's only a matter of time until America has its own large pockets of third world poverty. This sort of thing can happen to you when you allow the principles of free market dogmatism to outsource your industry and knowledge-based jobs to other countries and import foreigners to do jobs on your own soil. Anyone with a little common sense can do the math and figure out that merging the U.S. economy and labor market with those of billions of people in the third world will result in a lower quality of life for Americans.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: BoberFettHow about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

It's only a matter of time until America has its own large pockets of third world poverty. This sort of thing can happen to you when you allow the principles of free market dogmatism to outsource your industry and knowledge-based jobs to other countries and import foreigners to do jobs on your own soil. Anyone with a little common sense can do the math and figure out that merging the U.S. economy and labor market with those of billions of people in the third world will result in a lower quality of life for Americans.

Don't waste your breathe.

Neither he or any Republicans would admit to their America killing ideology.

Too busy making profits over people.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: BoberFettHow about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

It's only a matter of time until America has its own large pockets of third world poverty. This sort of thing can happen to you when you allow the principles of free market dogmatism to outsource your industry and knowledge-based jobs to other countries and import foreigners to do jobs on your own soil. Anyone with a little common sense can do the math and figure out that merging the U.S. economy and labor market with those of billions of people in the third world will result in a lower quality of life for Americans.

And what will UHC do to stem the tide of jobs leaving the US?

Yeah, that's right. Nothing.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: BoberFettHow about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

It's only a matter of time until America has its own large pockets of third world poverty. This sort of thing can happen to you when you allow the principles of free market dogmatism to outsource your industry and knowledge-based jobs to other countries and import foreigners to do jobs on your own soil. Anyone with a little common sense can do the math and figure out that merging the U.S. economy and labor market with those of billions of people in the third world will result in a lower quality of life for Americans.

Don't waste your breathe.

Neither he or any Republicans would admit to their America killing ideology.

Too busy making profits over people.

Dave, you voted for Bush. I didn't. Go jump off a cliff, traitor.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Dave, you voted for Bush. I didn't. Go jump off a cliff, traitor.

BULLSHIT

I admit to the first time but I learned from that mistake unlike you.

We have no way of knowing you didn't vote for the asshat both elections.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: BoberFettHow about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

It's only a matter of time until America has its own large pockets of third world poverty. This sort of thing can happen to you when you allow the principles of free market dogmatism to outsource your industry and knowledge-based jobs to other countries and import foreigners to do jobs on your own soil. Anyone with a little common sense can do the math and figure out that merging the U.S. economy and labor market with those of billions of people in the third world will result in a lower quality of life for Americans.

And what will UHC do to stem the tide of jobs leaving the US?

Yeah, that's right. Nothing.

My guess is it will make matters worse. There is a thing called medical tourism that is popping up as of late. people are going on vacation and getting procedures done at the fraction of the cost it would require here.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: charrison

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Originally posted by: BoberFettHow about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

It's only a matter of time until America has its own large pockets of third world poverty. This sort of thing can happen to you when you allow the principles of free market dogmatism to outsource your industry and knowledge-based jobs to other countries and import foreigners to do jobs on your own soil. Anyone with a little common sense can do the math and figure out that merging the U.S. economy and labor market with those of billions of people in the third world will result in a lower quality of life for Americans.

And what will UHC do to stem the tide of jobs leaving the US?

Yeah, that's right. Nothing.

My guess is it will make matters worse. There is a thing called medical tourism that is popping up as of late. people are going on vacation and getting procedures done at the fraction of the cost it would require here.

Good, hopefully that will start hitting the greedy mother fuckers in the pockets here.

One way or another they will go down as they should.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: BoberFettAnd what will UHC do to stem the tide of jobs leaving the US?

Yeah, that's right. Nothing.

Aside from the benefits it would have for American citizens, by enacting real socialized medicine and national health care, we could reduce the percentage of GDP that we spend on health care from 17% to something closer to what first world European and Asian nations spend while also removing the burden of health care concerns from businesses which would make them more competitive internationally.

Obviously that won't go too far to fix our nation's problem with global labor arbitrage, but then again, health care is health care and not really international trade economic policy. What exactly do you expect a good health care policy to do in that regard?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Dave, you voted for Bush. I didn't. Go jump off a cliff, traitor.

BULLSHIT

I admit to the first time but I learned from that mistake unlike you.

We have no way of knowing you didn't vote for the asshat both elections.

I'm not a liar, unlike you. I voted for Harry Browne in 2000 and chose not to vote for president in 2004 because all candidates stunk. I also voted for Keith Ellison (a black Muslim Democrat) last fall.

You on the other hand voted for Bush.

You. Cliff. Now. Do the world a favor.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yes, because health care makes being poor awesome.

Define poor. If you get all of your necessities given to you, are you really poor?

Hell, we have a generation coming in who could live quite happily if the only thing life consisted of was posting on Facebook and MySpace 24/7, living in their subsidized housing and eating food they bought with food stamps.

How about you go live in subsidized housing and live on food stamps and you tell me if you feel poor or not.

How about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

You're not making a distinction between relative and absolute poverty.

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian
Yes, because health care makes being poor awesome.

Define poor. If you get all of your necessities given to you, are you really poor?

Hell, we have a generation coming in who could live quite happily if the only thing life consisted of was posting on Facebook and MySpace 24/7, living in their subsidized housing and eating food they bought with food stamps.

How about you go live in subsidized housing and live on food stamps and you tell me if you feel poor or not.

How about you move to Zimbabwe and tell me if Americans are poor or not.

You're not making a distinction between relative and absolute poverty.

Gonad-licker took it there, I simply carried it to it's conclusion. If the definition of poverty is defined by whether or not somebody with more money would feel poor if they had less, then we can always find somebody more destitute.