Rep. Alan Grayson

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Easy to have a "Big heart" with other people's money - no?

How much has our play date in Iraq cost again?

Would you mind showing me what the GOP cut from the Federal budget to pay for our play date in Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

Possibly you could show me how Bush and the GOP paid for the Big Pharma Part D giveaway? Or how they paid for the 2001 & 2003 tax cuts?

I look forward to seeing your answer.

Nice try at another duhversion but this has exactly ZERO to do with Bush or Iraq. You libs really need to get another topic to duhvert to.

Its only indirectly a diversion. You see, tax cuts simply are not in line with the Democrats gameplan and vision. They want to shift as much wealth as possible out of private middle class and upper class hands and into the hands of what amounts to the boat anchor of America.
Which unsuprisingly is also a Democrats constituents.
Couple that to any spending which isnt directing money into the hands of those who stand in lines and you get the basis for his post.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Easy to have a "Big heart" with other people's money - no?

How much has our play date in Iraq cost again?

Would you mind showing me what the GOP cut from the Federal budget to pay for our play date in Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

Possibly you could show me how Bush and the GOP paid for the Big Pharma Part D giveaway? Or how they paid for the 2001 & 2003 tax cuts?

I look forward to seeing your answer.

Nice try at another duhversion but this has exactly ZERO to do with Bush or Iraq. You libs really need to get another topic to duhvert to.

No shit, the 08 elections should tell you that the republican play book is obsolete

Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Easy to have a "Big heart" with other people's money - no?

How much has our play date in Iraq cost again?

Would you mind showing me what the GOP cut from the Federal budget to pay for our play date in Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

Possibly you could show me how Bush and the GOP paid for the Big Pharma Part D giveaway? Or how they paid for the 2001 & 2003 tax cuts?

I look forward to seeing your answer.

Nice try at another duhversion but this has exactly ZERO to do with Bush or Iraq. You libs really need to get another topic to duhvert to.

No shit, the 08 elections should tell you that the republican play book is obsolete

Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

Even if that were true you think Americans are stupid enough to go with the asshole Republicans? They might not be happy with Obama but they sure as hell aren't going to let you Mofos get back into power after the major fuck in the ass you guys did to the country the previous 8 years. Dude everybody acknowledges your whaked.

Your kind of crazy is not popular.

Edit: I was home schooled by a Fundie Christian Mother

 

[Generator]

The party of no ideas.
The party of no.
The party of die in the street like a dog.

Don't fret about being civil with these knuckle draggers. While it is odd the south always put an emphasis on manners, even when blended with their atrocities. Its fair to say there are no more gentlemen left in the republican party and they just don't give a fuck.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007


Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

Even if that were true you think Americans are stupid enough to go with the asshole Republicans? They might not be happy with Obama but they sure as hell aren't going to let you Mofos get back into power after the major fuck in the ass you guys did to the country the previous 8 years. Dude everybody acknowledges your whaked.

Your kind of crazy is not propular.

I really did not expect the Repub's to win in 08. I would have been quite suprised if they had. Voting for the lesser of 2 evils doesnt give you a saint though.

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

November 4 2008 Presidential election results: Barack Obama - 53%

Gallup 3 day tracking poll as of October 1st, 2009: Barack Obama - 54%

So wait... what?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

November 4 2008 Presidential election results: Barack Obama - 53%

Gallup 3 day tracking poll as of October 1st, 2009: Barack Obama - 54%

So wait... what?

Well to be honest it's not that Obama is so good, it's that the Republicans are so tired and negative.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

November 4 2008 Presidential election results: Barack Obama - 53%

Gallup 3 day tracking poll as of October 1st, 2009: Barack Obama - 54%

So wait... what?

Well to be honest it's not that Obama is so good, it's that the Republicans are so tired and negative.

I just love how 'buyer's remorse' is equivalent to 'the same level of support that he had when he was elected'.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

November 4 2008 Presidential election results: Barack Obama - 53%

Gallup 3 day tracking poll as of October 1st, 2009: Barack Obama - 54%

So wait... what?

What indeed.

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An analysis by Pollster.com partner Charles Franklin ?found that despite identically sized three-day samples, the Rasmussen daily tracking poll is less variable than Gallup (showing standard deviations of 1.8 and 2.4, respectively).? During Election 2008, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll was the least volatile of all those tracking the race. That stability is one reason that Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com said that the Rasmussen tracking poll ?would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island."

A Fordham University professor rated the national pollsters on their record in Election 2008. We also have provided a summary of our results for your review. In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and our final poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%. While we were pleased with the final result, Rasmussen Reports was especially pleased that our data was the least volatile of all the tracking polls. Our daily tracking showed Obama with a stable and solid lead with more than 50% of the vote every single day for the last six weeks of the campaign.

In 2004 George W. Bush received 50.7% of the vote while John Kerry earned 48.3%. Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project both candidates? totals within half a percentage point by projecting that Bush would win 50.2% to 48.5%. (see our 2004 results).

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

I disagree. Obviously time will tell, but with the majority of people not wanting socialized healthcare and the government essentially saying "We dont care what you want" I think its going to show up in the votes.....

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

I disagree. Obviously time will tell, but with the majority of people not wanting socialized healthcare and the government essentially saying "We dont care what you want" I think its going to show up in the votes.....

Yeah but you guys have nothing. You have no solutions, you are in the pockets of the HMO lobbyists

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

I disagree. Obviously time will tell, but with the majority of people not wanting socialized healthcare and the government essentially saying "We dont care what you want" I think its going to show up in the votes.....

Yeah but you guys have nothing. You have no solutions, you are in the pockets of the HMO lobbyists

You know that old quote about the only thing for evil to win is good men doing nothing?
Sometimes, the only thing someone needs to do is get voted in is let the other guy fuck up. I mean hell, how do you think we got our Black Bush?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
[ how do you think we got our Black Bush?

Craislist personals:shocked:

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007
[ how do you think we got our Black Bush?

Craislist personals:shocked:

:laugh:

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

I disagree. Obviously time will tell, but with the majority of people not wanting socialized healthcare and the government essentially saying "We dont care what you want" I think its going to show up in the votes.....

Yeah but you guys have nothing. You have no solutions, you are in the pockets of the HMO lobbyists

You know that old quote about the only thing for evil to win is good men doing nothing?
Sometimes, the only thing someone needs to do is get voted in is let the other guy fuck up. I mean hell, how do you think we got our Black Bush?

Good thing the Democrats aren't proposing socialized health care then, huh?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Every poll I've seen seems to be pointing at some Buyers Remorse there with Dear Leader. Maybe you're looking at the charts upside down though.

November 4 2008 Presidential election results: Barack Obama - 53%

Gallup 3 day tracking poll as of October 1st, 2009: Barack Obama - 54%

So wait... what?

What indeed.

Click

Click

Click

An analysis by Pollster.com partner Charles Franklin ?found that despite identically sized three-day samples, the Rasmussen daily tracking poll is less variable than Gallup (showing standard deviations of 1.8 and 2.4, respectively).? During Election 2008, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll was the least volatile of all those tracking the race. That stability is one reason that Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com said that the Rasmussen tracking poll ?would probably be the one I'd want with me on a desert island."

A Fordham University professor rated the national pollsters on their record in Election 2008. We also have provided a summary of our results for your review. In 2008, Obama won 53%-46% and our final poll showed Obama winning 52% to 46%. While we were pleased with the final result, Rasmussen Reports was especially pleased that our data was the least volatile of all the tracking polls. Our daily tracking showed Obama with a stable and solid lead with more than 50% of the vote every single day for the last six weeks of the campaign.

In 2004 George W. Bush received 50.7% of the vote while John Kerry earned 48.3%. Rasmussen Reports was the only firm to project both candidates? totals within half a percentage point by projecting that Bush would win 50.2% to 48.5%. (see our 2004 results).

Good job at linking old polls. Thanks for bringing up Rasmussen, you're only proving my point further. Their October 1st, 2009 poll shows Obama at 50% approval with a margin of error of 3 percentage points. Ie: His electoral result is still within the margin of error for the poll you just mentioned.

So I ask again, buyer's remorse what?

 

[Sclamoz]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

I disagree. Obviously time will tell, but with the majority of people not wanting socialized healthcare and the government essentially saying "We dont care what you want" I think its going to show up in the votes.....

Yeah but you guys have nothing. You have no solutions, you are in the pockets of the HMO lobbyists

You know that old quote about the only thing for evil to win is good men doing nothing?
Sometimes, the only thing someone needs to do is get voted in is let the other guy fuck up. I mean hell, how do you think we got our Black Bush?

That majority of people voted for "Black Bush" and he clearly made it a point in his campaign that he wanted universal health care, so why is it something to be outraged over now? The majority of voters in this country were for it then, or at least didn't have a problem with it. It's going to cost us less than the Iraq war, and actually be beneficial to American citizens.

link

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Easy to have a "Big heart" with other people's money - no?

How much has our play date in Iraq cost again?

Would you mind showing me what the GOP cut from the Federal budget to pay for our play date in Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

Possibly you could show me how Bush and the GOP paid for the Big Pharma Part D giveaway? Or how they paid for the 2001 & 2003 tax cuts?

I look forward to seeing your answer.

Nice try at another duhversion but this has exactly ZERO to do with Bush or Iraq. You libs really need to get another topic to duhvert to.

Not much of a big thinker are yah, CAD?

I'll answer the question for you: Bush and the GOP didn't offset or pay for a god damn thing and we are paying the price for it now and the next decade.

It didn't take a 'Big Heart' from Bush and the GOP to pull that off --- just a bunch of really Big Assholes.

 

[Specop 007]

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

I disagree. Obviously time will tell, but with the majority of people not wanting socialized healthcare and the government essentially saying "We dont care what you want" I think its going to show up in the votes.....

Yeah but you guys have nothing. You have no solutions, you are in the pockets of the HMO lobbyists

You know that old quote about the only thing for evil to win is good men doing nothing?
Sometimes, the only thing someone needs to do is get voted in is let the other guy fuck up. I mean hell, how do you think we got our Black Bush?

That majority of people voted for "Black Bush" and he clearly made it a point in his campaign that he wanted universal health care, so why is it something to be outraged over now? The majority of voters in this country were for it then, or at least didn't have a problem with it. It's going to cost us less than the Iraq war, and actually be beneficial to American citizens.

link

Sweet Christ. Please tell me you didnt stoop so low as to use a NEWS poll as an accurate representation of the healthcare debate.

I'll even use the questionably accurate Gallup and it STILL shows your poll to be pure shit.

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PRINCETON, NJ -- In a recent Gallup survey, 89% of Republicans, 64% of independents, and 61% of Americans overall say Americans themselves -- rather than the government -- have the primary responsibility for ensuring that they have health insurance. Six in 10 Democrats say the government should be primarily responsible.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: ayabe
People are dying right now, every 12 minutes someone dies from a lack of insurance, Republicans do not want reform, they want to kill every single proposal, that is standing up for the status quo, the status quo is KILLING PEOPLE RIGHT NOW.

You simply cannot grasp what is occurring.

Every 12 minutes?

There are supposedly 47 million uninsured people in the U.S.

The average lifespan of someone in the U.S. is ~74 for male, ~80 for female, so let's just say 77 years.

77 years equals ~40 million minutes.

If those 47 million people were evenly aged out, one should be dying about every minute. With the distribution of people more slanted towards the younger generations, one uninsured person dying every 12 minutes sounds, well, normal.

Even if he may not grasp what is occurring, you certainly cannot grasp statistics.

This is a Holocaust! WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU! People are dying in the streets, they are dropping dead at work, they are dropping dead at never before seen rates. All because the Republicans want them to die quickly!

I bet you would change your narrow mind if you lost your job(That's if you even have one) and your health insurance.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Easy to have a "Big heart" with other people's money - no?

How much has our play date in Iraq cost again?

Would you mind showing me what the GOP cut from the Federal budget to pay for our play date in Iraq? Or Afghanistan?

Possibly you could show me how Bush and the GOP paid for the Big Pharma Part D giveaway? Or how they paid for the 2001 & 2003 tax cuts?

I look forward to seeing your answer.

Nice try at another duhversion but this has exactly ZERO to do with Bush or Iraq. You libs really need to get another topic to duhvert to.

Not much of a big thinker are yah, CAD?

I'll answer the question for you: Bush and the GOP didn't offset or pay for a god damn thing and we are paying the price for it now and the next decade.

It didn't take a 'Big Heart' from Bush and the GOP to pull that off --- just a bunch of really Big Assholes.

Ronnie Raygun did the same thing in the 80's and it a decade to fix that clusterfuck.

 

[Sclamoz]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Sclamoz

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Specop 007

I think the next round of elections might be a different story though. The only thing the Democrats have to do is not act like a pack of rabid Socialists, which they are doing a very poor job of.

Well if the economy has rebounded by then you guys will lose miserably as you are seen as the party of bitter old tired no new ideas reactionaries. You think anybody in their right mind would agree with the likes of you if they want to progress into the next century?The sad thing is for as your as you are you are a dinosaur.

I disagree. Obviously time will tell, but with the majority of people not wanting socialized healthcare and the government essentially saying "We dont care what you want" I think its going to show up in the votes.....

Yeah but you guys have nothing. You have no solutions, you are in the pockets of the HMO lobbyists

You know that old quote about the only thing for evil to win is good men doing nothing?
Sometimes, the only thing someone needs to do is get voted in is let the other guy fuck up. I mean hell, how do you think we got our Black Bush?

That majority of people voted for "Black Bush" and he clearly made it a point in his campaign that he wanted universal health care, so why is it something to be outraged over now? The majority of voters in this country were for it then, or at least didn't have a problem with it. It's going to cost us less than the Iraq war, and actually be beneficial to American citizens.

link

Sweet Christ. Please tell me you didnt stoop so low as to use a NEWS poll as an accurate representation of the healthcare debate.

I'll even use the questionably accurate Gallup and it STILL shows your poll to be pure shit.

Click

PRINCETON, NJ -- In a recent Gallup survey, 89% of Republicans, 64% of independents, and 61% of Americans overall say Americans themselves -- rather than the government -- have the primary responsibility for ensuring that they have health insurance. Six in 10 Democrats say the government should be primarily responsible.

Considering the shitty news poll only asked 30 people less than the gallup poll, and they were both done over the phone I don't see what makes the gallup poll any better.

Also, if you actually read what you posted you would see that the question they posed was do you think the government should take primary responsibility for ensuring health coverage instead of individuals? AFAIK no one is suggesting that.

From the very article you posted:

The differing results to questions asking about government responsibility for health insurance may not be contradictory. A reasonable hypothesis could be that Americans generally believe people should take responsibility for their own healthcare coverage, while at the same time believing the government should provide a safety net for those who need it.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Specop 007

Sweet Christ. Please tell me you didnt stoop so low as to use a NEWS poll as an accurate representation of the healthcare debate.

I'll even use the questionably accurate Gallup and it STILL shows your poll to be pure shit.

Click

PRINCETON, NJ -- In a recent Gallup survey, 89% of Republicans, 64% of independents, and 61% of Americans overall say Americans themselves -- rather than the government -- have the primary responsibility for ensuring that they have health insurance. Six in 10 Democrats say the government should be primarily responsible.

They are both scientific polls, they are both valid.

Also, your question of who should have 'responsibility' does not address his poll. The question of who they think should take responsibility and if people want UHC are actually quite different. It also suffers from a pretty significant question bias problem if you're going to relate it that way. That would by why the results of that poll clash so badly with most other polls on UHC.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: cubeless
now i'm embarassed to live in florida...

Good, please leave to a Democrat state so your vote is completely diluted to nothing like your Republican values.