Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

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Fucking Wilbur Ross. Take that low energy, souless sack of shit and air drop him to the ass end of Siberia. These sycophants are beyond tone deaf on the shutdown and impacts on people.

 

[fskimospy]

I agree with that logic, I despise the idea of having to continue to vote to pay the bills on what we’ve already spent and how it’s been used to take the country hostage etc. That hasn’t really been the arguement though, not the dominant one in any case (or they’re doing a bad job selling it). Most are looking at this as a for a wall / against a wall lens. And given the basically pennies it costs towards the total gov spending many are scratching their heads on why in the first place (this arguement existed long before the government shutdown). It still is about symbolism.

There’s no need to scratch your head, it’s because it’s a symbol to conservatives. Trump didn’t even care about the wall until conservative media called him out. It wasn’t even in his budget request.

For rank and file people it might be about the wall but it seems you’ve run into the same problem as Trump where you don’t understand the people Trump is negotiating with. They are entirely aware that if they give in to his demands he will simply hold the government hostage again and again and again so giving him what he wants not only isn’t worth it, it’s actively harmful, regardless of the costs.

This is why it keeps coming out that Trump and the White House are baffled as to why the Democrats won’t give in - conservatives have never bothered to understand what this shutdown is actually about.

 

[fskimospy]

Doesn’t have to be anything past it at this point. He’s not guaranteed more than 5.7 billion. Dems said they would be ok with a barrier but not a wall. To most that seems like semantics.

It’s not semantics, the ‘barrier’ is a way to give Trump an out, the funding they are actually proposing is for more staff, some drug and weapon detecting technology, etc. Stuff they have always supported. It’s explicitly barred from constructing any new structures.

The point is to say ‘sure, we will do this, but we would always have done this’. It’s to give Trump a way to surrender with dignity.

 

[Stryke1983]

Doesn’t have to be anything past it at this point. He’s not guaranteed more than 5.7 billion. Dems said they would be ok with a barrier but not a wall. To most that seems like semantics.

But if the Democrats give him that money for his monument now so he reopens the government what's to stop him from shutting down the government again in 2 weeks or a month or a year and holding the country hostage again to get more money for his monument?

In addition, you keep phrasing it as a barrier vs a wall. But the money is for overall border security, especially around existing ports of entry. We're not talking about arguing over whether we should build a 200 mile wire fence vs a concrete wall here. Trump doesn't even have a coherent plan for his wall. It's just an argument about whether some money gets wasted on a monument or whether it's used to improve border security.

 

[UglyCasanova]

We're not talking about arguing over whether we should build a 200 mile wire fence vs a concrete wall here.

Read back through the thread, some were arguing essentially just that.

 

[fskimospy]

Doesn’t have to be anything past it at this point. He’s not guaranteed more than 5.7 billion. Dems said they would be ok with a barrier but not a wall. To most that seems like semantics.

I mean that was pretty clearly the whole point. Democrats only ‘give’ him things they wanted anyway. If Trump continues to keep the government shut down because he wants a ‘wall’ instead of a ‘barrier’ what’s left of his cratering support evaporates.

The important part here is that Trump surrenders and that he knows he is surrendering. That has to be the #1 policy goal here for all of us, liberal and conservative. Nothing short of total surrender. It’s the only way to save the country from this happening again in a few months with even more dire consequences.

If you remember a few years back this was the same lesson Obama had to teach conservatives about the debt ceiling. Nothing short of surrender was okay because if Obama gave an inch it would cause a future catastrophe.

 

[zinfamous]

I agree with that logic, I despise the idea of having to continue to vote to pay the bills on what we’ve already spent and how it’s been used to take the country hostage etc. That hasn’t really been the arguement though, not the dominant one in any case (or they’re doing a bad job selling it). Most are looking at this as a for a wall / against a wall lens. And given the basically pennies it costs towards the total gov spending many are scratching their heads on why in the first place (this arguement existed long before the government shutdown). It still is about symbolism.

That has been the argument. The messaging is clear. One wonders what it is you are consuming that is not making the clear message so clear to you.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088432465478369282

*Italian chef kisses fingers*

Having the living embodiment of Mr. Burns not understand people running out of food and money is just perfect.

Kudlow to Ross... Hold my beer.

Read the entire thread of tweets. These guys couldn't be any more out of touch. This is why billionaires don't make the best cabinet members. (Although Kudlow is poor in comparison to the rest at a few tens of millions.)

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088481570233692165

 

[UglyCasanova]

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/remember-that-shutdown-trump-will-have.2558863/post-39700987


Shane explaining to us the difference between a barrier (which he’s in favor of) and a wall (no no no).

 

[brycejones]

Fucking Wilbur Ross. Take that low energy, souless sack of shit and air drop him to the ass end of Siberia. These sycophants are beyond tone death on the shutdown and impacts on people.

It basically sounds like a let them eat cake moment. That shit didn't turn out well for French aristocrats.

 

[Jhhnn]

Doesn’t have to be anything past it at this point. He’s not guaranteed more than 5.7 billion. Dems said they would be ok with a barrier but not a wall. To most that seems like semantics.

That's bullshit. You're just spinning the usual "both sides!" routine. Trump's wall is the same sort of symbolism that southern monuments were 100 years ago.

 

[brycejones]

That's bullshit. You're just spinning the usual "both sides!" routine. Trump's wall is the same sort of symbolism that southern monuments were 100 years ago.

If we build the wall crime will go down bigly!!!! We can stop all the bad hombres with one neat trick!

 

[fskimospy]

If we build the wall crime will go down bigly!!!! We can stop all the bad hombres with one neat trick!

I work a few blocks away from where El Chapo is being tried and one of the funny things about that trial is just how totally ineffective our current walls are at stopping the flow of drugs. They are simply a non-factor and more walls would do zero to change that. The cartels will be laughing at us while we spend billions on building new walls while they simply ignore them.

 

[K1052]

Kudlow to Ross... Hold my beer.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088481570233692165

The amount of no fucks given about anybody is getting pretty amazing:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088491445806350337

 

[Jhhnn]

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/remember-that-shutdown-trump-will-have.2558863/post-39700987


Shane explaining to us the difference between a barrier (which he’s in favor of) and a wall (no no no).

Shane doesn't speak for the democratic party.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Ever get the feeling that Trump is destroying the republican party. I think the Dems will ride this out for an entire year.

I honestly think if this is not resolved soon Trump will unexpectedly die of a heart attack or something. Seriously, I think the Republicans at the top are going to have him knocked off. They can't afford to lose out on their post political "speaking engagements" that they worked SO HARD to earn!

I don't know what will happen. Just saying that an assassination would not shock me at all.

 

[soundforbjt]

Trump needs the wall to placate Coulter & Limbaugh and his rabid base. He promised them a wall and since he hasn't got it started Coulter & friend reminded the base that he hasn't made good on his main campaign plank, and here we are now.

This could sink his re-election bid. He will keep trying to get it, because if he doesn't he has failed his base. Maybe we will owe Coulter & Limbaugh a bigly thank you after the 2020 election for taking down Trump for us. But, I'm being optimistic, the talking heads will excuse him for not building the wall and blame it on the evil libruls and life will go on as usual.

 

[IronWing]

Trump didn’t even care about the wall until conservative media called him out. It wasn’t even in his budget request.

This should be shouted until the hills ring.

 

[hal2kilo]

People can be so creative sometimes.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/24/ent...cles-to-gop-senators-to-protest-shutdown.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump needs the wall to placate Coulter & Limbaugh and his rabid base. He promised them a wall and since he hasn't got it started Coulter & friend reminded the base that he hasn't made good on his main campaign plank, and here we are now.

This could sink his re-election bid. He will keep trying to get it, because if he doesn't he has failed his base. Maybe we will owe Coulter & Limbaugh a bigly thank you after the 2020 election for taking down Trump for us. But, I'm being optimistic, the talking heads will excuse him for not building the wall and blame it on the evil libruls and life will go on as usual.

Trump will be lucky to survive long enough to be nominated. He would be, I'm sure, given that he could shoot somebody. The GOP primary voting base already believes that the dirty Democrats are to blame for the shutdown & the general chaos generated by the Trump admin.

I mean, if we just declared him Presidente for life & let him do what he wants, everything would be great. Hail Trump! Hail the Savior! Only he can fix it!

 

[Hans Gruber]

All those workers get paid when the shutdown ends. They are not working for free but without a paycheck until the shutdown ends. How many of those calling in sick are really waiting tables or driving for Uber? They call in sick as a middle finger to the system.

I agree that the shutdown is not productive. But the mainstream media is saying that these government workers are going to food pantries to get food. Also known as food banks.

I think people think they are working for free. They are simply doing their jobs without a paycheck until the government shutdown ends. After the shutdown ends, they get back pay.

 

[soundforbjt]

All those workers get paid when the shutdown ends. They are not working for free but without a paycheck until the shutdown ends. How many of those calling in sick are really waiting tables or driving for Uber? They call in sick as a middle finger to the system.

I agree that the shutdown is not productive. But the mainstream media is saying that these government workers are going to food pantries to get food. Also known as food banks.

I think people think they are working for free. They are simply doing their jobs without a paycheck until the government shutdown ends. After the shutdown ends, they get back pay.

Yeah, shame on them for needing money for rent, mortgage, healthcare for themselves and their children and food. It's just a middle finger to the system.

/s

 

[MomentsofSanity]

All those workers get paid when the shutdown ends. They are not working for free but without a paycheck until the shutdown ends. How many of those calling in sick are really waiting tables or driving for Uber? They call in sick as a middle finger to the system.

I agree that the shutdown is not productive. But the mainstream media is saying that these government workers are going to food pantries to get food. Also known as food banks.

I think people think they are working for free. They are simply doing their jobs without a paycheck until the government shutdown ends. After the shutdown ends, they get back pay.

Or they are calling in sick as they can't afford to cover the costs they need to pay to work. Transportation, childcare etc...

 

[vi edit]

All those workers get paid when the shutdown ends. They are not working for free but without a paycheck until the shutdown ends. How many of those calling in sick are really waiting tables or driving for Uber? They call in sick as a middle finger to the system.

I agree that the shutdown is not productive. But the mainstream media is saying that these government workers are going to food pantries to get food. Also known as food banks.

I think people think they are working for free. They are simply doing their jobs without a paycheck until the government shutdown ends. After the shutdown ends, they get back pay.

My sister is a stay at home mom married to a coast guard worker. Their rent is a direct pay out of his paycheck each month. No paycheck no direct pay. He still has to report to base. She's been part of a big effort in Rhode Island to organize pantries for base workers there. Many coast guard spouses are stay at home parents because it's hard to establish any meaningful career when you are being relocated every 2-4 years. They don't have many "plan b" income choices.

 

[K1052]

All those workers get paid when the shutdown ends. They are not working for free but without a paycheck until the shutdown ends. How many of those calling in sick are really waiting tables or driving for Uber? They call in sick as a middle finger to the system.

I agree that the shutdown is not productive. But the mainstream media is saying that these government workers are going to food pantries to get food. Also known as food banks.

I think people think they are working for free. They are simply doing their jobs without a paycheck until the government shutdown ends. After the shutdown ends, they get back pay.

How enormously disconnected from any sort of reality this is.