Remember that shutdown Trump WILL have?

[JEDI]

If the Senate passes the clean spending measure tomorrow it means McConnell won't be providing any more cover for the shutdown. Hell- he signaled that by letting it come to a vote.

ahh.. is that why Trump caved in on Pelosi instead of picking another venue?
he knows the shutdown will end and he'll give his speech on the date as he intended?

 

[K1052]

Trump says he’ll give State of Union after shutdown ends:
https://wtop.com/government/2019/01/trump-wants-to-deliver-state-of-union-next-week-as-planned/

Following a high-stakes game of dare and double-dare, the president conceded that “no venue that can compete with the history, tradition and importance of the House Chamber” and that he was not looking for an alternate option after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi served notice earlier Wednesday that he won’t be allowed to deliver the address to a joint session of Congress next week.


wow.. never thought his ego would let him back down like this.
and to a woman!

I got a bad feeling Trump is about to do something even MORE stupid!!!
Gulp...

I'm not really surprised. He's hated the addresses he's done from the WH and they don't move the needle at all, he had to be coaxed into them. The alternatives are FAR less prestigious and even he understands that. He wants the big show for the cameras.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm not really surprised. He's hated the addresses he's done from the WH and they don't move the needle at all, he had to be coaxed into them. The alternatives are FAR less prestigious and even he understands that. He wants the big show for the cameras.

Anyone want to take bets he at least brought up the idea to his aides about barging in there and doing it anyway?

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not really surprised. He's hated the addresses he's done from the WH and they don't move the needle at all, he had to be coaxed into them. The alternatives are FAR less prestigious and even he understands that. He wants the big show for the cameras.

He feeds off of a live audience.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Dems agree to the 5.7 billion but “no wall”. Lol. At this point Nancy and Trump are fighting over semantics. Accept whatever deal is there, get over yourselves, and let’s reopen the damned government.

 

[Brainonska511]

Dems agree to the 5.7 billion but “no wall”. Lol. At this point Nancy and Trump are fighting over semantics. Accept whatever deal is there, get over yourselves, and let’s reopen the damned government.

It's only semantics if you're an idiot. In one case, you have money allocated to solutions that work and one case you have money allocated to something useless.

Plus, Trump's position is insane: I'm going to hurt all these people until I get money for something useless. And he'll do it again if the House caves to his insanity.

 

[Jhhnn]

Dems agree to the 5.7 billion but “no wall”. Lol. At this point Nancy and Trump are fighting over semantics. Accept whatever deal is there, get over yourselves, and let’s reopen the damned government.

It never was about money. And, uhh, physical walls aren't about semantics, either.

I get a sense that the hero of the burn it down crowd will fold rather shortly but declare victory anyway.

 

[zinfamous]

Dems agree to the 5.7 billion but “no wall”. Lol. At this point Nancy and Trump are fighting over semantics. Accept whatever deal is there, get over yourselves, and let’s reopen the damned government.

Fuck no and fuck no x100. There is no deal to be made with this child, because he is only offering "Deals" that aren't his to make.

Dems are in no position to "get over themselves," because this isn't what is happening.

Do you support the notion that American lives can be held hostage because a single individual doesn't get the one thing he wants, under complete refusal to negotiate? Yes or No.

 

[K1052]

Anyone want to take bets he at least brought up the idea to his aides about barging in there and doing it anyway?

I'm sure it came up.

 

[thilanliyan]

He feeds off of a live audience.

When its friendly.

 

[K1052]

Fuck no and fuck no x100. There is no deal to be made with this child, because he is only offering "Deals" that aren't his to make.

Dems are in no position to "get over themselves," because this isn't what is happening.

Do you support the notion that American lives can be held hostage because a single individual doesn't get the one thing he wants, under complete refusal to negotiate? Yes or No.

Trump needs to get over that the Democrats fucking walloped his party in the House.

From a practical standpoint giving in to Trump now would be an enormous strategic error that I don't think the Dem leadership is about to make. Until Trump presents major immigration concessions (with no Miller poison pills) the Democrats should withhold their votes

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088432465478369282

*Italian chef kisses fingers*

Having the living embodiment of Mr. Burns not understand people running out of food and money is just perfect.

 

[fskimospy]

Dems agree to the 5.7 billion but “no wall”. Lol. At this point Nancy and Trump are fighting over semantics. Accept whatever deal is there, get over yourselves, and let’s reopen the damned government.

Democrats have always been of the position that they were willing to spend more money on border security, it was Trump that demanded the wall. We can’t lose sight that this is an entirely manufactured crisis by Trump where he has deliberately hurt the country to avoid embarrassment.

What this does look like is what I predicted from the beginning, a way for Trump to surrender without looking like he’s surrendering.

 

[Jhhnn]

When its friendly.

The GOP members of the HOR are obviously a friendly audience. The GOP will do their best to pack the gallery, as well. None of which matters when Pelosi has denied him the venue.

The Trump team will try to spin it as "You're the real hostage takers!" I'm sure.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Democrats have always been of the position that they were willing to spend more money on border security, it was Trump that demanded the wall. We can’t lose sight that this is an entirely manufactured crisis by Trump where he has deliberately hurt the country to avoid embarrassment.

What this does look like is what I predicted from the beginning, a way for Trump to surrender without looking like he’s surrendering.

And then we waded into “it’s a barrier, not a wall” territory which is pointless semantics. As I said from the get go it’s jsut about symbolism. I doubt the people missing two checks care about symbolism one way or the other though.

 

[K1052]

to avoid embarrassment.

Given the polling available it would seem that the embarrassment is ongoing outside anybody who does not have a virtually religious faith in him. Those same people would buy pretty much any lie he would provide if he caved though so this seems increasingly pointless.

 

[fskimospy]

And then we waded into “it’s a barrier, not a wall” territory which is pointless semantics. As I said from the get go it’s jsut about symbolism. I doubt the people missing two checks care about symbolism one way or the other though.

Remember, from the get go this has been very, very wrong. It’s absolutely vital for the Democrats to concede nothing they didn’t already support. I’m not sure why you insist cutting out the most important calculus for the Democrats every time you talk about this. For conservatives I agree it’s all about symbolism. For Democrats it is all about not giving in to hostage takers.

If you don’t understand that then you will never actually understand why the government is shut down.

 

[Stokely]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1088432465478369282

*Italian chef kisses fingers*

Having the living embodiment of Mr. Burns not understand people running out of food and money is just perfect.

God that's hilarious. Ross is worth, what, 700 million or something silly?

"Can't these people sell an extra car for food? How much does food cost, anyway? More than a car? Well, sell another one then!"

 

[K1052]

God that's hilarious. Ross is worth, what, 700 million or something silly?

"Can't these people sell an extra car for food? How much does food cost, anyway? More than a car? Well, sell another one then!"

Ross is worth $2-3B IIRC.

edit: His disclosures say 700M but he's claimed 2-3B in the past. Given he apparently "forgot" to disclose many things I'd guess the true figure is somewhere in between.

People with this kind of wealth literally can't conceive of running out of things/money. This segment of our country is becoming a walking talking advertisement for major tax increases on the incomes of the wealthy.

 

[fskimospy]

Ross is worth $2-3B IIRC.

People with this kind of wealth literally can't conceive of running out of things/money. This segment of our country is becoming a walking talking advertisement for major tax increases on the incomes of the wealthy.

Nope, it appears he lied about his net worth, haha. According to his financial disclosures he’s worth about $700 million.

Still an immeasurably vast sum compared to the average person but it’s funny he felt the need to lie.

 

[K1052]

Nope, it appears he lied about his net worth, haha. According to his financial disclosures he’s worth about $700 million.

Still an immeasurably vast sum compared to the average person but it’s funny he felt the need to lie.

I edited above. In light of the fact that he failed to disclose many things the figure could well be higher though it appears he's engaged in some inflation of it when asked previously (as high as $3.7B).

The wealthy are often insecure about their level of wealth in relation to others of similar status. So they end up lying about it a lot.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Remember, from the get go this has been very, very wrong. It’s absolutely vital for the Democrats to concede nothing they didn’t already support. I’m not sure why you insist cutting out the most important calculus for the Democrats every time you talk about this. For conservatives I agree it’s all about symbolism. For Democrats it is all about not giving in to hostage takers.

If you don’t understand that then you will never actually understand why the government is shut down.

I agree with that logic, I despise the idea of having to continue to vote to pay the bills on what we’ve already spent and how it’s been used to take the country hostage etc. That hasn’t really been the arguement though, not the dominant one in any case (or they’re doing a bad job selling it). Most are looking at this as a for a wall / against a wall lens. And given the basically pennies it costs towards the total gov spending many are scratching their heads on why in the first place (this arguement existed long before the government shutdown). It still is about symbolism.

 

[Stryke1983]

And then we waded into “it’s a barrier, not a wall” territory which is pointless semantics. As I said from the get go it’s jsut about symbolism. I doubt the people missing two checks care about symbolism one way or the other though.

Trump wants a $5.7 billion downpayment for a giant monument for himself that could eventually cost tens of billions of dollars. Democrats (and most other people) would rather spend that money on other things that are more useful, improved border security being a potential, although not the only, option.

So you keep saying it's semantics when it's actually just trying to avoid paying for a giant boondoggle. In addition to that, which is enough of a reason on it's own, there is also the issue of trying to keep an incompetent, dictatorial fool in check.

 

[cytg111]

God that's hilarious. Ross is worth, what, 700 million or something silly?

"Can't these people sell an extra car for food? How much does food cost, anyway? More than a car? Well, sell another one then!"

Can we get AOC on that with a 90% tax-fine please? Thats half a wall right there...

 

[UglyCasanova]

Trump wants a $5.7 billion downpayment for a giant monument for himself that could eventually cost tens of billions of dollars. Democrats (and most other people) would rather spend that money on other things that are more useful, improved border security being a potential, although not the only, option.

So you keep saying it's semantics when it's actually just trying to avoid paying for a giant boondoggle. In addition to that, which is enough of a reason on it's own, there is also the issue of trying to keep an incompetent, dictatorial fool in check.

Doesn’t have to be anything past it at this point. He’s not guaranteed more than 5.7 billion. Dems said they would be ok with a barrier but not a wall. To most that seems like semantics.