Religulous

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: TehMac
Bill Maher is a talking mouth that's real function corresponds with the anus on most humans.

You can disagree with the guy's politics all you want, but you can't say he isn't very well versed on the issues, and surprisingly intellectual.

so he's a ..... smart ass?

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Slick5150

Originally posted by: TehMac
Bill Maher is a talking mouth that's real function corresponds with the anus on most humans.

You can disagree with the guy's politics all you want, but you can't say he isn't very well versed on the issues, and surprisingly intellectual.

so he's a ..... smart ass?

He's pretty damn funny at times, simply because he breaks boundaries that other people may not want to cross, and since he labels himself as a comedian, doesn't get as much flak for it as someone else would.

 

[ShotgunSteven]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Maher is funny, I'll watch it.

It would require divine intervention for Maher to be funny. Ironic, isn't it?

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

An Atheist at the core is just a non-theist. Lacking religion. You are labeling a huge group of people by a small subset - the strong atheist, the one that not only lacks religion/belief but also is sure gods don't exist.

Remember, "most agnostics qualify as weak atheists".

Yes, and athiests do the same to thiests, labelling a huge group because of a small subset. In my opinion, both sides argue about something that they no proof in.

This is often cited and always wrong as it implies belief and non-belief are equal.

I can't prove leprechauns exist, and you can't prove they don't. But if I model my entire life around their nonprovable existence and fill my life with rituals, contest scientifically established facts, and modify my behavior in an effort to please these darned elusive green dudes the existence of which I have no evidence, while you just carry on your life as normal, I'd submit I'm the idiot in that case.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

An Atheist at the core is just a non-theist. Lacking religion. You are labeling a huge group of people by a small subset - the strong atheist, the one that not only lacks religion/belief but also is sure gods don't exist.

Remember, "most agnostics qualify as weak atheists".

Yes, and athiests do the same to thiests, labelling a huge group because of a small subset. In my opinion, both sides argue about something that they no proof in.

This is often cited and always wrong as it implies belief and non-belief are equal.

I can't prove leprechauns exist, and you can't prove they don't. But if I model my entire life around their nonprovable existence and fill my life with rituals, contest scientifically established facts, and modify my behavior in an effort to please these darned elusive green dudes the existence of which I have no evidence, while you just carry on your life as normal, I'd submit I'm the idiot in that case.

The funny part about what you say is that some theists would regard that as completely irrational, yet go on to worship the invisible man in the clouds watching everything you do and everything you say, and if you don't follow the rules of ten things then he'll send you to hell where you'll burn, choke and cry until the end of time - but he loves you. (Paraphrasing George Carlin).

That is why the church of FSM is genius. It holds as much credibility as any other religion; it's just not as old.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

An Atheist at the core is just a non-theist. Lacking religion. You are labeling a huge group of people by a small subset - the strong atheist, the one that not only lacks religion/belief but also is sure gods don't exist.

Remember, "most agnostics qualify as weak atheists".

Yes, and athiests do the same to thiests, labelling a huge group because of a small subset. In my opinion, both sides argue about something that they no proof in.

Well, your opinion is incorrect.. Atheists don't argue for something that has no proof, they just realize the idea of "gods" is a man made idea, and that there has never been any proof for theistic belief. There was never a case for "god", in the first place. Do you not deny the existence of Santa? There's no proof of him, and you would never give a special name for someone who didn't believe in him, right?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: manowar821

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: skace

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

An Atheist at the core is just a non-theist. Lacking religion. You are labeling a huge group of people by a small subset - the strong atheist, the one that not only lacks religion/belief but also is sure gods don't exist.

Remember, "most agnostics qualify as weak atheists".

Yes, and athiests do the same to thiests, labelling a huge group because of a small subset. In my opinion, both sides argue about something that they no proof in.

Well, your opinion is incorrect.. Atheists don't argue for something that has no proof, they just realize the idea of "gods" is a man made idea, and that there has never been any proof for theistic belief. There was never a case for "god", in the first place. Do you not deny the existence of Santa? There's no proof of him, and you would never give a special name for someone who didn't believe in him, right?

I think its time you back out of this thread now, you facking heathen Santa-Denier!

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Juddog
Well I personally have had several visits, people coming to my house to "save" me, by using their special book. I have never had an atheist show up one day on a bicycle trying to push a book about atheism on me.

did they call you stupid for not believing? Maybe an idiot? Just curious, because that's what I see a lot on the forums going the other way. I mean, it's happened a few times in this thread already.

 

[Dumac]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Juddog
Well I personally have had several visits, people coming to my house to "save" me, by using their special book. I have never had an atheist show up one day on a bicycle trying to push a book about atheism on me.

did they call you stupid for not believing? Maybe an idiot? Just curious, because that's what I see a lot on the forums going the other way. I mean, it's happened a few times in this thread already.

It's all about population. The population of this forum commands that there at least be a few pushy atheists, while the populations of most physical communities do not.

 

[grrl]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: Slick5150
surprisingly intellectual.

pseudo intellectual tbh.

It amazes me how much he is able to say concerning society and no one calls him out. He's useless bigot.


That's all I'm going to say about it.

So you really have no arguments to back up your statement.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

1. graphicartist2k5 Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 11:42
...snip...

Holy shit! :laugh:

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Juddog
ROFL this movie is already stirring people up, like this message on the review site:

1. graphicartist2k5 Says:
September 29th, 2008 at 11:42

gee, so bill maher has "bar charts" explaining who is not "religious". wow, i'm so proud of little billy maher. he finally figured out how to be more of a jackass than he already was. seriously, though, what in the blue hell does this guy think he's going to accomplish by coming out with a movie/documentary about atheists are teh best, and everyone should be an atheist? newsflash: there is NO such thing as an atheist. just the simple statement that atheists believe there is no God proves they do believe there IS a God, and that He does exist. let me explain. in order for ANY person to believe something doesn't exist, they must FIRST know that whatever it is they believe doesn't exist ALREADY existed. this is why atheists are so freaking mad all the time, whether or not they want to say it, because deep down in their deceived hearts, they KNOW God is there. by the way, how in the world is it possible for "humanity" to judge the "idea" of God, when God is the One who created ALL of humanity? who, exactly, do you think you are, garyb, that you can judge God, because by saying what you've said, that's what you obviously think. i bet you ANYTHING that when you're on your death bed, you're not going to be so gung-ho about judging God, or the idea of God, i should say. you won't even be THINKING about ways you can disprove God's existence, because you will be crying out to Him to save your soul. have you EVER heard the phrase, "there are no atheists in foxholes"? it's the truth.

:laugh:

lol that guy is on the jesus juice.

p.s. does he talk about hindus in this movie? i hope he calls all the major religions out.

 

[gar3555]

I don't mind his stance, it's his smugness that annoys me.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: gar3555
I don't mind his stance, it's his smugness that annoys me.

Isn't that a standard trait for comedians?

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Juddog
Well I personally have had several visits, people coming to my house to "save" me, by using their special book. I have never had an atheist show up one day on a bicycle trying to push a book about atheism on me.

did they call you stupid for not believing? Maybe an idiot? Just curious, because that's what I see a lot on the forums going the other way. I mean, it's happened a few times in this thread already.

Last time this happened, I was listening to death metal in my apartment just by myself, blasting it loudly. I hear the doorbell ring, and go to answer the door wearing a White Zombie T-shirt (the back says "die fvcker die"), when I see who it is, it was two guys on bicycle going door to door with their jesus juice trying to convince me to join up with their church. I opened the door and debated with them about the futility of their actions for about 20 minutes until they left.

Of course it probably didn't help that I had Norwegian black metal playing in the background at loud volume.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Juddog
Well I personally have had several visits, people coming to my house to "save" me, by using their special book. I have never had an atheist show up one day on a bicycle trying to push a book about atheism on me.

did they call you stupid for not believing? Maybe an idiot? Just curious, because that's what I see a lot on the forums going the other way. I mean, it's happened a few times in this thread already.

It's all about population. The population of this forum commands that there at least be a few pushy atheists, while the populations of most physical communities do not.

There is also the failure to properly interpret what exactly is being called idiotic. It's not so much someone's mere belief in god that gets attacked, though some few extreme athiests may go this far. Since god can't be proven one way or the other, criticizing someone for simply taking one side or the other on the question should not, and generally is not, the focal point of attack.

It's what I posted previously, namely that when one doesn't simply believe in god, but creates or participates in a ritualized lifestyle replete with dietary restrictions, allowances on which persons one is permitted to have sex with, and the forming and stubborn defense of nonsensical conclusions about reality which are contrary to established scientific consensus, all BECAUSE of the belief. That is what I find idiotic. Not the belief in god, but the strict adherence to religious principles that are based on such belief.

And that is what the movie looks like it is about.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: Dumac

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: Juddog
Well I personally have had several visits, people coming to my house to "save" me, by using their special book. I have never had an atheist show up one day on a bicycle trying to push a book about atheism on me.

did they call you stupid for not believing? Maybe an idiot? Just curious, because that's what I see a lot on the forums going the other way. I mean, it's happened a few times in this thread already.

It's all about population. The population of this forum commands that there at least be a few pushy atheists, while the populations of most physical communities do not.

There is also the failure to properly interpret what exactly is being called idiotic. It's not so much someone's mere belief in god that gets attacked, though some few extreme athiests may go this far. Since god can't be proven one way or the other, criticizing someone for simply taking one side or the other on the question should not, and generally is not, the focal point of attack.

It's what I posted previously, namely that when one doesn't simply believe in god, but creates or participates in a ritualized lifestyle replete with dietary restrictions, allowances on which persons one is permitted to have sex with, and the forming and stubborn defense of nonsensical conclusions about reality which are contrary to established scientific consensus, all BECAUSE of the belief. That is what I find idiotic. Not the belief in god, but the strict adherence to religious principles that are based on such belief.

And that is what the movie looks like it is about.

:thumbsup:Summed up pretty good.

The vast vast majority of Atheists and agnostics could give two sh!ts what someone believed, as long as it doesn't impact their lives. It's the theists that go around trying to change the educational code to push non-science into a science classroom (e.g. intelligent design), or the ones that try to change laws (e.g. trying to overturn Roe v Wade) that make atheists aggravated. One only has to travel to the middle east to see what a society run by religion is like, and it's not somewhere I would want to live.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: jonks
It's what I posted previously, namely that when one doesn't simply believe in god, but creates or participates in a ritualized lifestyle replete with dietary restrictions, allowances on which persons one is permitted to have sex with, and the forming and stubborn defense of nonsensical conclusions about reality which are contrary to established scientific consensus, all BECAUSE of the belief. That is what I find idiotic. Not the belief in god, but the strict adherence to religious principles that are based on such belief.

If it is rewarding for them and helps them to lead a good/fulfilling life, then who cares? I think there are plenty of atheists and agnostics (myself included) who have a certain set of beliefs that aren't necessarily founded on rational thinking that tell them what to eat and not eat and what people with whom they should copulate. I won't eat fried bugs because I irrationally assume they would taste disgusting and I have an irrational fear of eating a bug. People are stupid and do stupid things. Even us non-believers. End of story.

 

[torpid]

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: jonks
There is also the failure to properly interpret what exactly is being called idiotic. It's not so much someone's mere belief in god that gets attacked, though some few extreme athiests may go this far. Since god can't be proven one way or the other, criticizing someone for simply taking one side or the other on the question should not, and generally is not, the focal point of attack.

It's what I posted previously, namely that when one doesn't simply believe in god, but creates or participates in a ritualized lifestyle replete with dietary restrictions, allowances on which persons one is permitted to have sex with, and the forming and stubborn defense of nonsensical conclusions about reality which are contrary to established scientific consensus, all BECAUSE of the belief. That is what I find idiotic. Not the belief in god, but the strict adherence to religious principles that are based on such belief.

And that is what the movie looks like it is about.

:thumbsup:Summed up pretty good.

The vast vast majority of Atheists and agnostics could give two sh!ts what someone believed, as long as it doesn't impact their lives. It's the theists that go around trying to change the educational code to push non-science into a science classroom (e.g. intelligent design), or the ones that try to change laws (e.g. trying to overturn Roe v Wade) that make atheists aggravated. One only has to travel to the middle east to see what a society run by religion is like, and it's not somewhere I would want to live.

So he summed it up pretty good yet you posted a paragraph that had nothing to do with what he wrote?

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: torpid

Originally posted by: Juddog

Originally posted by: jonks
There is also the failure to properly interpret what exactly is being called idiotic. It's not so much someone's mere belief in god that gets attacked, though some few extreme athiests may go this far. Since god can't be proven one way or the other, criticizing someone for simply taking one side or the other on the question should not, and generally is not, the focal point of attack.

It's what I posted previously, namely that when one doesn't simply believe in god, but creates or participates in a ritualized lifestyle replete with dietary restrictions, allowances on which persons one is permitted to have sex with, and the forming and stubborn defense of nonsensical conclusions about reality which are contrary to established scientific consensus, all BECAUSE of the belief. That is what I find idiotic. Not the belief in god, but the strict adherence to religious principles that are based on such belief.

And that is what the movie looks like it is about.

:thumbsup:Summed up pretty good.

The vast vast majority of Atheists and agnostics could give two sh!ts what someone believed, as long as it doesn't impact their lives. It's the theists that go around trying to change the educational code to push non-science into a science classroom (e.g. intelligent design), or the ones that try to change laws (e.g. trying to overturn Roe v Wade) that make atheists aggravated. One only has to travel to the middle east to see what a society run by religion is like, and it's not somewhere I would want to live.

So he summed it up pretty good yet you posted a paragraph that had nothing to do with what he wrote?

I added something else to what he wrote. I didn't need to repeat what he wrote, thus I wrote "summed up pretty good."

 

[rudeguy]

I don't plan on seeing this movie

 

[Arcadio]

Oh... I just found this thread. Sorry to all for the repost... Sorry everyone. I will now proceed to read some of your posts in this thread. Thanks to the mod who locked the other thread.

 

[Crono]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
Oh... I just found this thread. Sorry to all for the repost... Sorry everyone. I will now proceed to read some of your posts in this thread. Thanks to the mod who locked the other thread.

I wrote a response to your thread, but it was locked before it could be posted. So here it is:

Because atheism inspires some to extremism - just like it does for some religious people. The core reason for this is, regardless of the belief (or disbelief, if you wish, though atheism really is a belief not the absence of), is that extremists are arrogant but also insecure and fearful. All people confident and secure in their beliefs are willing to educate others, but don't attack with mockery and/or violence. From subtle sarcasm and dripping disdain to threats and persecution, extremism is an avenue by which the darkness of the human heart is displayed.

 

[JDub02]

I give it 2 weeks before a Palestinian kid explodes on the set of Maher's show. Christians are taught to turn the other cheek. Muslims, on the other hand, have bad tempers that tend to blow up.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Arcadio
Oh... I just found this thread. Sorry to all for the repost... Sorry everyone. I will now proceed to read some of your posts in this thread. Thanks to the mod who locked the other thread.

To address your post in that thread, being a religious Christian, you have no idea of how much Christianity is shoved in everybody's face on a regular basis. People here like to complain about atheists, but their output isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what non-Christians endure.