Religulous

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Arcadio
Oh... I just found this thread. Sorry to all for the repost... Sorry everyone. I will now proceed to read some of your posts in this thread. Thanks to the mod who locked the other thread.

To address your post in that thread, being a religious Christian, you have no idea of how much Christianity is shoved in everybody's face on a regular basis. People here like to complain about atheists, but their output isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what non-Christians endure.

Please, explain. Has anyone ever said you were stupid for not being a Christian?

I am not trying to claim that Christians in the US are persecuted, that term is reserved for people who are beaten, thrown in jail, or die for their faith. But in academia and middle class+ it's very "uncool" to be religious. I have heard many athiests compalin about living in a Christian society but I don't understand how they are affected. Please give me some specific examples of ways this has negatively affected your life or how you have been harmed in any way for being an athiest. I am not being sarcastic rather genuinely trying to understand what you mean.

No, but "you're going to burn in hell!" isn't exactly complimentary.
I didn't say it had specifically affected me negatively, it's just bloody annoying... I don't guess you realize just how pervasive your religion is in our society & country since it appeals to you. ESPECIALLY in December with "reason for the season" and all that jazz.
Also, I'm not an atheist.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: thepd7

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Arcadio
Oh... I just found this thread. Sorry to all for the repost... Sorry everyone. I will now proceed to read some of your posts in this thread. Thanks to the mod who locked the other thread.

To address your post in that thread, being a religious Christian, you have no idea of how much Christianity is shoved in everybody's face on a regular basis. People here like to complain about atheists, but their output isn't even a drop in the bucket compared to what non-Christians endure.

Please, explain. Has anyone ever said you were stupid for not being a Christian?

I am not trying to claim that Christians in the US are persecuted, that term is reserved for people who are beaten, thrown in jail, or die for their faith. But in academia and middle class+ it's very "uncool" to be religious. I have heard many athiests compalin about living in a Christian society but I don't understand how they are affected. Please give me some specific examples of ways this has negatively affected your life or how you have been harmed in any way for being an athiest. I am not being sarcastic rather genuinely trying to understand what you mean.

No, but "you're going to burn in hell!" isn't exactly complimentary.
I didn't say it had specifically affected me negatively, it's just bloody annoying... I don't guess you realize just how pervasive your religion is in our society & country since it appeals to you. ESPECIALLY in December with "reason for the season" and all that jazz.
Also, I'm not an atheist.

Yeah, I can definitely see where that can be very annoying and rude. I guess it never even crosses my mind that religious people would be that rude similar to how most athiests don't go around calling religious people stupid.

 

[Mr. Lennon]

Anyone notice how RT has absolutely NOTHING on their website about this movie?

 

[Juddog]

Looks like Religulous did pretty good at the box office: Oxdown Gazette

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282
Anyone notice how RT has absolutely NOTHING on their website about this movie?

They have it here: Religulous

 

[thirtythree]

While I agree with the message, I don't think anything is going to be accomplished by this movie. It will just offend religious folks and harden them further. Pushing for tolerance seems to make more sense than saying no one should believe in religion... though obviously there's a lot of intolerance built into certain religions. Hmmm.

 

[Homerboy]

Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

 

[FelixDeCat]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

Erik Estrada beat you to the punch. Just play that over and over. It will make you feel good.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

What church do you attend?

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

Erik Estrada beat you to the punch. Just play that over and over. It will make you feel good.

yeah but that wasn't intentional (I dont think). It will have to suffice though.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

What church do you attend?

none. Why do you ask?

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

What church do you attend?

none. Why do you ask?

Sure

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

What church do you attend?

none. Why do you ask?

Sure

I don't attend church. Am I religious? Sure I guess. But I don't subscribe to a "faith" I hated the movie because it was pure shit from start to finish. THe people he "interviews" his smug delivery and reactions. He's a pile of shit.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: Homerboy
Just watched this "movie". What a pile of pure dog shit. I just want to punch Bill Maher in his smug little face.

What church do you attend?

Church of Latter Day Nutjobs :laugh:

 

[GagHalfrunt]

The movie was kind of like stealing candy from a baby. Maher was simply making the same points educated people have been making forever, interviewing the same ignorant people that have made religion a joke forever, exposed the same lack of consistency in the beliefs that has been understood forever, pointed out the glaring contradictions that have been seen forever. What was the point? The way he tackled the subject was akin to pointing out that water is wet. He broke no new ground, did nothing original and wasn't even particularly effective in driving home his point. The religious types get smacked around far more intelligently here than they did in the movie.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Juddog
Why do religious people get so ruffled up around atheists anyway? Oftentimes newscasters and the like look down upon atheists as if it's a disease or something to pity.

And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

I still dont understand what people are talking about when they say that atheists are trying to "push" beliefs on people the same way that religious people do. People who dont believe in a god will debate about it, but they arent knocking on doors to "save" religious people. They arent invading countries because they think thier non-god told them its the right thing to do, after talking to their non-god at night. They arent trying to pass laws to promote thier non-god. Any legislation they want, its to keep god out all together. Thats not pushing a belief, that is trying to keep your beliefs out.

and in that, their beliefs in. i see atheism like i see other religions, without the god at the top and the picnics.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The movie was kind of like stealing candy from a baby. Maher was simply making the same points educated people have been making forever, interviewing the same ignorant people that have made religion a joke forever, exposed the same lack of consistency in the beliefs that has been understood forever, pointed out the glaring contradictions that have been seen forever. What was the point? The way he tackled the subject was akin to pointing out that water is wet. He broke no new ground, did nothing original and wasn't even particularly effective in driving home his point. The religious types get smacked around far more intelligently here than they did in the movie.

Agreed 100%. He attacked the easiest targets and the lowest hanging fruit too. He simply attacked, what many people would tag as the crazies of XYZ religion and had no "deep" interviews with very few people of substance and "rank" in their church (Really Bill? TV Evangelists are frauds that are in it for the money? Thanks for the update). Just questions that mocked the people followed with movie clips further mocking the answer/person (though I must admit the movie clips were a nice touch and the only part that truly entertained me. Some were just genius and perfect for the part).

I did enjoy the fact that he spent literally more than half the movie on Christianity then just blurred a dozen other religions into the last 45mins.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Juddog
Why do religious people get so ruffled up around atheists anyway? Oftentimes newscasters and the like look down upon atheists as if it's a disease or something to pity.

And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

I still dont understand what people are talking about when they say that atheists are trying to "push" beliefs on people the same way that religious people do. People who dont believe in a god will debate about it, but they arent knocking on doors to "save" religious people. They arent invading countries because they think thier non-god told them its the right thing to do, after talking to their non-god at night. They arent trying to pass laws to promote thier non-god. Any legislation they want, its to keep god out all together. Thats not pushing a belief, that is trying to keep your beliefs out.

and in that, their beliefs in. i see atheism like i see other religions, without the god at the top and the picnics.

Everything is a belief, yes. There is a major difference between atheism and religion. And atheism is not an absolute belief that there is no god. Almost all atheists will tell you this.

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Juddog
Why do religious people get so ruffled up around atheists anyway? Oftentimes newscasters and the like look down upon atheists as if it's a disease or something to pity.

And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

I still dont understand what people are talking about when they say that atheists are trying to "push" beliefs on people the same way that religious people do. People who dont believe in a god will debate about it, but they arent knocking on doors to "save" religious people. They arent invading countries because they think thier non-god told them its the right thing to do, after talking to their non-god at night. They arent trying to pass laws to promote thier non-god. Any legislation they want, its to keep god out all together. Thats not pushing a belief, that is trying to keep your beliefs out.

and in that, their beliefs in. i see atheism like i see other religions, without the god at the top and the picnics.

No. If I want to keep the Flying Spaghetti Monster out of school text books, because it is a bad-shit crazy idea, that isnt "pushing beliefs" on people. That is keeping your bat-shit crazy ideas out.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: hanoverphist

Originally posted by: Ocguy31

Originally posted by: iamwiz82

Originally posted by: Juddog
Why do religious people get so ruffled up around atheists anyway? Oftentimes newscasters and the like look down upon atheists as if it's a disease or something to pity.

And athiests do the same. Both sides beat drums and try to force all others to find truth in their beliefs.

<-- Agnostic

I still dont understand what people are talking about when they say that atheists are trying to "push" beliefs on people the same way that religious people do. People who dont believe in a god will debate about it, but they arent knocking on doors to "save" religious people. They arent invading countries because they think thier non-god told them its the right thing to do, after talking to their non-god at night. They arent trying to pass laws to promote thier non-god. Any legislation they want, its to keep god out all together. Thats not pushing a belief, that is trying to keep your beliefs out.

and in that, their beliefs in. i see atheism like i see other religions, without the god at the top and the picnics.

No. If I want to keep the Flying Spaghetti Monster out of school text books, because it is a bad-shit crazy idea, that isnt "pushing beliefs" on people. That is keeping your bat-shit crazy ideas out.

Agreed. I don't think any religion should be taught in any public school. Mentioned and studied sure... but not "taught". However I laugh at those that take issue with "In God... " on their money and such. If that's your biggest worry in life, you got it easy.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The movie was kind of like stealing candy from a baby. Maher was simply making the same points educated people have been making forever, interviewing the same ignorant people that have made religion a joke forever, exposed the same lack of consistency in the beliefs that has been understood forever, pointed out the glaring contradictions that have been seen forever. What was the point? The way he tackled the subject was akin to pointing out that water is wet. He broke no new ground, did nothing original and wasn't even particularly effective in driving home his point. The religious types get smacked around far more intelligently here than they did in the movie.

I haven't seen this yet, but I got the impression that it's akin to MM ambushing the elderly and senile Charleton Heston regarding the NRA. All rather sad and pointless.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
The movie was kind of like stealing candy from a baby. Maher was simply making the same points educated people have been making forever, interviewing the same ignorant people that have made religion a joke forever, exposed the same lack of consistency in the beliefs that has been understood forever, pointed out the glaring contradictions that have been seen forever. What was the point? The way he tackled the subject was akin to pointing out that water is wet. He broke no new ground, did nothing original and wasn't even particularly effective in driving home his point. The religious types get smacked around far more intelligently here than they did in the movie.

I haven't seen this yet, but I got the impression that it's akin to MM ambushing the elderly and senile Charleton Heston regarding the NRA. All rather sad and pointless.

I watched it at ninjavideo, and pretty much. I'm pretty much an atheist but I hate michael moor and bill maher. They're just being obnoxious in pretty much every way. And, as before, their arguments are not new but old rehashed ones that have been used for ages.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Agreed 100%. He attacked the easiest targets and the lowest hanging fruit too. He simply attacked, what many people would tag as the crazies of XYZ religion and had no "deep" interviews with very few people of substance and "rank" in their church (Really Bill? TV Evangelists are frauds that are in it for the money? Thanks for the update). Just questions that mocked the people followed with movie clips further mocking the answer/person (though I must admit the movie clips were a nice touch and the only part that truly entertained me. Some were just genius and perfect for the part).

I did enjoy the fact that he spent literally more than half the movie on Christianity then just blurred a dozen other religions into the last 45mins.

You missed the point then. The mainstream churches are full of "crazies" and frauds as well. No sane and rational person would believe any of that crap. All religion is the same. The fact that god believers mock scientologists is especially ironic because the shit that they follow is just as made up.

Of course he interviewed a bunch of religious hacks, that's the point. He definitely touched upon this with the neurologist when he was talking about moses being crazy.

 

[Homerboy]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Agreed 100%. He attacked the easiest targets and the lowest hanging fruit too. He simply attacked, what many people would tag as the crazies of XYZ religion and had no "deep" interviews with very few people of substance and "rank" in their church (Really Bill? TV Evangelists are frauds that are in it for the money? Thanks for the update). Just questions that mocked the people followed with movie clips further mocking the answer/person (though I must admit the movie clips were a nice touch and the only part that truly entertained me. Some were just genius and perfect for the part).

I did enjoy the fact that he spent literally more than half the movie on Christianity then just blurred a dozen other religions into the last 45mins.

You missed the point then. The mainstream churches are full of "crazies" and frauds as well. No sane and rational person would believe any of that crap. All religion is the same. The fact that god believers mock scientologists is especially ironic because the shit that they follow is just as made up.

Of course he interviewed a bunch of religious hacks, that's the point. He definitely touched upon this with the neurologist when he was talking about moses being crazy.

Wow. Nice generalization and blanket statement.

 

[sandorski]

I enjoyed it, but it doesn't really break any new ground. Dawkins makes a better case, Maher just does it with more humour.