Religion of Peace

[Victorian Gray]

Nice try....that is in Canada!
Still does not negate the facts as Smuckley presented them...

"Facts"?!

You keep forgetting to put your glasses on.

Either that or you're testing out your new 'stand-up' act.

 

[Blue_Max]

Ahhh.... V.G. doing the usual schtick? Why reply with actual facts/info when you can show a nifty picture which say.... nothing, really... maybe a vague insult to the poster she wants to pull down...? [shrug]

 

[Blue_Max]

Most Muslims are decent people because they are decent people, NOT because they are Muslim. Same for Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

That's a good point and I agree with it.

There's a problem that exists with it though... what do you do when your doctrine commands something awful? A good, decent person who just wants to "love they neighbour as thyself" can choose to ignore that command as long as possible, but it's still in there.

What does that person do when their religious leader then calls upon all followers to ACT on that command? Especially if not doing so means the rest of your fellow followers will turn on you like hungry wolves?

That's the heart of the argument. (And the part apologists want to keep ignoring or deflecting.)

Other religions have a few, like stoning adulterers (which big-J himself even addressed and said not to!) and slavery. Pretty much every religion on Earth has decided they don't want what few cruel commands exist from hundreds or thousands of years ago, and will not act upon them if called to - and will usually turn on the leader who tries to get them to.
(I say usually because we've all seen that there's a few miscreants that are easily riled up and led into stupid actions... I think of some of the "ethnic cleansing" in Africa not so long ago...)

You cannot ignore the fact that the muslim faith has a lot, A LOT, of those kind of commands to hurt others. The vast majority of the koran is dedicated to how one should treat kafirs (non-believers)... it makes one's blood run cold to read the book (and yes, I have.)

We've seen time, and time again, what happens when the clerics get to the front of an audience and tell their flock what to do...

So... can muslims ever get to where other religions are? 1400 years of "we reject change" paint a pretty bleak picture... but there's hope since here in North America, we offer services to help people leave islam safely and protect them from the death penalty that sharia law commands for it.

 

[Blanky]

Ahhh.... V.G. doing the usual schtick? Why reply with actual facts/info when you can show a nifty picture which say.... nothing, really... maybe a vague insult to the poster she wants to pull down...? [shrug]

This. "There can't be anything wrong with Group X at all because look I have a few people who are in Group X patting a puppy, ergo all members of Group X are puppy-patters."

 

[Blue_Max]

This. "There can't be anything wrong with Group X at all because look I have a few people who are in Group X patting a puppy, ergo all members of Group X are puppy-patters."

...except muslims have a thing about not liking dogs.

Better make it a kitty.

 

[schmuckley]

..and here's what's really happening:
Here's an example of what happens when Muslims outnumber non-Muslims in an area.
http://piggylimpiggy.blogspot.com/2013/09/atrocious-affairs-in-malaysia-malaysian.html

and here's something going on in France..
..and just about every country most likely.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/j...e-from-islamic-state-and-making-more-recruits

 

[Vic]

This. "There can't be anything wrong with Group X at all because look I have a few people who are in Group X patting a puppy, ergo all members of Group X are puppy-patters."

You realize that your argument throughout this thread has been exactly the inverse, yes?

 

[nickqt]

..and here's what's really happening:
Here's an example of what happens when Muslims outnumber non-Muslims in an area.
http://piggylimpiggy.blogspot.com/2013/09/atrocious-affairs-in-malaysia-malaysian.html

and here's something going on in France..
..and just about every country most likely.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/02/j...e-from-islamic-state-and-making-more-recruits

Spread that fear and hatred.

Someday you'll have enough adherents that you can propose a solution to this religious problem!

 

[Victorian Gray]

Ahhh.... V.G. doing the usual schtick? Why reply with actual facts/info when you can show a nifty picture which say.... nothing, really... maybe a vague insult to the poster she wants to pull down...? [shrug]

She?

Muslims! Boo!

 

[Victorian Gray]

...except muslims have a thing about not liking dogs.

Better make it a kitty.

Don't like dogs? Really? Once more you show us all how little you know about what you're talking about

 

[Omar F1]

They're killing lots of people in lots of places.
I'm assuming you have 0 empathy for those people..and support that.
People like that need to be rooted out and destroyed.
Perhaps you cannot understand that.
I can.This is a real problem.

How many Muslims are living in US, Canada and Europe?
Have you ever heard that there are 110,000 Saudi students actively studying in the US? this isn't a small number, in case you'd think we're all supposed to behead infidels you guys probably would run in trouble each and every day.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/number-of-saudi-students-in-us-soars-since-9-11-547225.html

 

[Omar F1]

It seems you are actively cheering them on.
The Quran supports the doctrine that ISIS follows..
It really does.
Mohammed was a pedophile war-mongering piece of work..and they follow him.
He was not a prophet of God..

As usual and unfortunately, this proves that you guys really and honestly have no idea who Mohamed was, and what he had endured during his limited life after the prophecy.
The problem is I can point you to some books to read about his biography but they're all in Arabic, I'm not aware of any reputable English translations.

Continuous reading of conspiracy articles without reading from the other side won't make you any progress, it would only keep building up more unnecessary hatred.

 

[Omar F1]

Most Muslims are decent people because they are decent people, NOT because they are Muslim. Same for Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc.

Some people seem to think that morality is impossible without religion. I disagree.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...-secular-parenting-20150115-story.html#page=1

I don't agree with you, please read the old history about the Arabs situation before the prophecy and Islam, it did really change them for good (or bad as you guys assume).

 

[blastingcap]

I don't agree with you, please read the old history about the Arabs situation before the prophecy and Islam, it did really change them for good (or bad as you guys assume).

As usual and unfortunately, this proves that you guys really and honestly have no idea who Mohamed was, and what he had endured during his limited life after the prophecy.
The problem is I can point you to some books to read about his biography but they're all in Arabic, I'm not aware of any reputable English translations.

Continuous reading of conspiracy articles without reading from the other side won't make you any progress, it would only keep building up more unnecessary hatred.

The problem with Islam is that it may have been quite good in its day as Islam version 1.0, but it doesn't allow for evolution as well as alternatives. It's a problem with the fundamental tenets of saying a particular book was the word of God and has not been modified.

So you wind up with a religion that may have been good for its time which was 1400 years ago, as version 1.0. But that version 1.0 is incapable of coping with the modern world, and attempts to modernize the religion into v1.1 and beyond are met with resistance and accusations of infidelity to the Original v1.0.

This was one of the reasons why the closest atheist Ataturk basically tried to get rid of Islam in Turkey. He viewed it as backwards-looking, with too much emphasis on memorization and not enough on creativity.

Basically Islam is like Palm's WebOS. Good for its time, but the rest of the world moved on to iOS, Android, etc.

 

[nickqt]

The problem with Islam is that it may have been quite good in its day as Islam version 1.0, but it doesn't allow for evolution as well as alternatives. It's a problem with the fundamental tenets of saying a particular book was the word of God and has not been modified.

So you wind up with a religion that may have been good for its time which was 1400 years ago, as version 1.0. But that version 1.0 is incapable of coping with the modern world, and attempts to modernize the religion into v1.1 and beyond are met with resistance and accusations of infidelity to the Original v1.0.

This was one of the reasons why the closest atheist Ataturk basically tried to get rid of Islam in Turkey. He viewed it as backwards-looking, with too much emphasis on memorization and not enough on creativity.

Basically Islam is like Palm's WebOS. Good for its time, but the rest of the world moved on to iOS, Android, etc.

Except that plenty of Muslims do just fine in modern society, whereas Muslims from "countries" in the most unstable part of the world use Islam as a rallying cry.

 

[blastingcap]

Except that plenty of Muslims do just fine in modern society, whereas Muslims from "countries" in the most unstable part of the world use Islam as a rallying cry.

The farther you move away from v1.0 sure, so if you have a watered-down Islam that won't be as stultifying. Like Catholics who shrug off the Pope's admonitions about birth control. There are Muslim equivalents of Christian "twicesters," those alleged Christians who only show up for Easter and Christmas mass. Those aren't the Muslims to worry about, obviously... but the kind of Islam practiced in places like KSA are barely more advanced than v1.0. Even somewhat more forward-minded Iran has clerics who say whoppers like "immoral" behavior causing earthquakes. You can factcheck the quotes below by the way. Not all of them are verbatim, but they are uncomfortably close to the truth.

 

[nickqt]

The farther you move away from v1.0 sure, so if you have a watered-down Islam that won't be as stultifying. Like Catholics who shrug off the Pope's admonitions about birth control. There are Muslim equivalents of Christian "twicesters," those alleged Christians who only show up for Easter and Christmas mass. Those aren't the Muslims to worry about, obviously... but the kind of Islam practiced in places like KSA are barely more advanced than v1.0. Even somewhat more forward-minded Iran has clerics who say whoppers like "immoral" behavior causing earthquakes. You can factcheck the quotes below by the way. Not all of them are verbatim, but they are uncomfortably close to the truth.

Sure, there are trashbags over there. I could probably find Christian leaders here in the US who have said similar things to the graphic you've posted. Religion isn't inherently bad, but it can be used to defend terrible things and ways of thinking. I am all for religion moving on from their total devotion to a sky wizard and embracing the helping people part of their religion.

 

[Blue_Max]

Don't like dogs? Really? Once more you show us all how little you know about what you're talking about

Gosh, no, nothing at all... *snerk*

Article Quote: "Also in London, police launched an investigation into the origins of a sign telling dog owners to stay out of a park because it is "an Islamic area now" and "Muslims don't like dogs."

The reason why Muslims do not like dogs stems from the theological teaching that "angels are afraid of dogs" according to the hadith (sayings of Muhammad).
Specifically, black dogs are considered by Muslims to be "demonic" and are to be killed. Additionally, if a Muslim wishes to own a dog as a pet their rewards in the Islamic "paradise" are deducted each day the pet is kept. Here are the specific teachings related to why Muslims do not like dogs:

"Angels" are afraid of dogs and so dogs should be killed, according to Islamic theology:

"A'isha reported that Gabriel (peace be upon him) made a promise with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: 'A'isha, when did this dog enter here? She said: By Allah, I don't know He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: You promised me and I waited for you but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture."
Sahih Muslim, Book 024, Number 5246)

And:

"Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens)."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 024, Number 5248)

And;

"Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody keeps a dog, he loses one Qirat (of the reward) of his good deeds everyday, except if he keeps it for the purpose of agriculture or for the protection of livestock. "
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 541)

And;

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Mughaffal:The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one. (Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 16, Number 2839)

----Those are the reasons why Muslims do not like dogs and are forbidden to own one as a pet.

 

[blastingcap]

Gosh, no, nothing at all... *snerk*

Article Quote: "Also in London, police launched an investigation into the origins of a sign telling dog owners to stay out of a park because it is "an Islamic area now" and "Muslims don't like dogs."

The reason why Muslims do not like dogs stems from the theological teaching that "angels are afraid of dogs" according to the hadith (sayings of Muhammad).
Specifically, black dogs are considered by Muslims to be "demonic" and are to be killed. Additionally, if a Muslim wishes to own a dog as a pet their rewards in the Islamic "paradise" are deducted each day the pet is kept. Here are the specific teachings related to why Muslims do not like dogs:

"Angels" are afraid of dogs and so dogs should be killed, according to Islamic theology:

"A'isha reported that Gabriel (peace be upon him) made a promise with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: 'A'isha, when did this dog enter here? She said: By Allah, I don't know He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: You promised me and I waited for you but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture."
Sahih Muslim, Book 024, Number 5246)

And:

"Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens)."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 024, Number 5248)

And;

"Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody keeps a dog, he loses one Qirat (of the reward) of his good deeds everyday, except if he keeps it for the purpose of agriculture or for the protection of livestock. "
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 541)

And;

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Mughaffal:The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one. (Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 16, Number 2839)

----Those are the reasons why Muslims do not like dogs and are forbidden to own one as a pet.

More recently...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/w...t-underlines-malaysias-culture-wars.html?_r=0

 

[Victorian Gray]

Gosh, no, nothing at all... *snerk*

Article Quote: "Also in London, police launched an investigation into the origins of a sign telling dog owners to stay out of a park because it is "an Islamic area now" and "Muslims don't like dogs."

The reason why Muslims do not like dogs stems from the theological teaching that "angels are afraid of dogs" according to the hadith (sayings of Muhammad).
Specifically, black dogs are considered by Muslims to be "demonic" and are to be killed. Additionally, if a Muslim wishes to own a dog as a pet their rewards in the Islamic "paradise" are deducted each day the pet is kept. Here are the specific teachings related to why Muslims do not like dogs:

"Angels" are afraid of dogs and so dogs should be killed, according to Islamic theology:

"A'isha reported that Gabriel (peace be upon him) made a promise with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to come at a definite hour; that hour came but he did not visit him. And there was in his hand (in the hand of Allah's Apostle) a staff. He threw it from his hand and said: Never has Allah or His messengers (angels) ever broken their promise. Then he cast a glance (and by chance) found a puppy under his cot and said: 'A'isha, when did this dog enter here? She said: By Allah, I don't know He then commanded and it was turned out. Then Gabriel came and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to him: You promised me and I waited for you but you did not come, whereupon he said: It was the dog in your house which prevented me (to come), for we (angels) do not enter a house in which there is a dog or a picture."
Sahih Muslim, Book 024, Number 5246)

And:

"Then on that very morning he commanded the killing of the dogs until he announced that the dog kept for the orchards should also be killed, but he spared the dog meant for the protection of extensive fields (or big gardens)."
(Sahih Muslim, Book 024, Number 5248)

And;

"Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody keeps a dog, he loses one Qirat (of the reward) of his good deeds everyday, except if he keeps it for the purpose of agriculture or for the protection of livestock. "
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Number 541)

And;

Narrated Abdullah Ibn Mughaffal:The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Were dogs not a species of creature I should command that they all be killed; but kill every pure black one. (Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 16, Number 2839)

----Those are the reasons why Muslims do not like dogs and are forbidden to own one as a pet.

Which anti-Muslim site did you dredge your 'knowledge' up from.

Once again I would ask you to please stop pretending that you know anything about Islam or Muslims other than the propaganda you eat up so avidly.

I can't imagine how bigots like you manage to live with all your angers and fears. Your stomach must be in constant turmoil what with all the Muslims and feminists threatening to chop off one body part or another.

 

[Blue_Max]

Once again I would ask you to please stop pretending that you know anything about Islam or Muslims other than the propaganda you eat up so avidly

Your denial is nothing short of astounding, but at least you're consistent about it. Deny then insult.

For once, do a little digging for yourself beyond pretty pictures. You'll find the dog thing easily and quickly. My quotes were straight from the "holy scriptures" they take so seriously. It's downright depressing to watch their leaders on TV screaming about how one is a dog, then the other is a dog, their military hero is a dog, and on and on...

 

[Black Octagon]

https://m.facebook.com/goodmuslimslovedogs?_rdr

 

[Black Octagon]

http://www.arabamericannews.com/new...debate:-Muslim-dog-owners-debunk-stigmas.html

 

[Black Octagon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NLRlwsVyllE

 

[Londo_Jowo]

...except muslims have a thing about not liking dogs.

Better make it a kitty.

You know what they say about a St Bernard in the Philippines...........It will feed a family of 4 for a week.

http://liveinthephilippines.com/content/dog-the-other-white-meat/

In some countries neither dogs or cats are safe and can become a stew.

http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414