Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[dank69]

Again, my original points / questions:
Knowingly submitting corrupt and/or false evidence to FISA is probably a criminal act? No?
The Republican complaint is to accuse those at the FBI and DOJ who signed off on it.

Can you please quote the part of your WSJ source that claims the dossier was Russian propaganda?

Oh never mind that, I see now that the WSJ link you provided was an opinion piece, too. Do you have any actual sources that provide evidence that the dossier is Russian propaganda? Is this going to be like the satellite data boondoggle?

 

[Glaring_Mistake]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Not that many here will have failed to realize that these are just copy pasted talking points to try to shift the focus but here are some other examples of the same text being posted on other sites:

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinio...bama-dnc-and-government-hold-overs/483633001/

https://twitter.com/MAGAChronicle/status/959495457671188480

http://defendingthetruth.com/curren...ng-has-never-happened-american-history-3.html

http://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t29190-russian-collusion-for-dummies-errrrr-democrats

https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.co...-really-happened-in-the-2016-election.112658/

https://www.facebook.com/JudgeJeanineFans/posts/477363095942549


It's funny that the posters tend to make it seem as if they had come up with it themselves rather than it being, well, copy pasted talking points.
Or possibly there is one very active poster.

 

[JSt0rm]

lol. outhouse echo chamber tard.

 

[ivwshane]

Not that many here will have failed to realize that these are just copy pasted talking points to try to shift the focus but here are some other examples of the same text being posted on other sites:

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinio...bama-dnc-and-government-hold-overs/483633001/

https://twitter.com/MAGAChronicle/status/959495457671188480

http://defendingthetruth.com/curren...ng-has-never-happened-american-history-3.html

http://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t29190-russian-collusion-for-dummies-errrrr-democrats

https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.co...-really-happened-in-the-2016-election.112658/

https://www.facebook.com/JudgeJeanineFans/posts/477363095942549


It's funny that the posters tend to make it seem as if they had come up with it themselves rather than it being, well, copy pasted talking points.
Or possibly there is one very active poster.

Disgusting.

 

[fskimospy]

I think my favorite part about this is that conservatives are arguing that Carter Page was a nobody who had no role in the campaign AND that the FBI was wiretapping him as part of a devious plot to undermine Trump’s campaign.

 

[Amused]

You bet? How so? So Manafort what...bribed the IRS? LMAO

Money laundering exists to fool the IRS. At this point you're just being obtuse.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Wonder why Trump only wants to fire Rosenstein? He has another appointee that signed one of the renewals Bointe(sp?). I wonder why he just wants Rosenstein...if there was only some simple answer.

If Trump fires Rosenstein he can replace him with someone loyal to him to help stymie the investigation. No, Mr Mueller, you can't interview him, no Mr. Mueller, there will be no more funding. Comes out and states this investigation is going nowhere from time to time. Or at worst his new appointee fires Mueller and shuts down the investigation.

If Trump fired Rosenstein and replaces him with a lackey that willingly fires Mueller and shuts down the investigation? What happens?

IMO..As it stands now, in this political climate, he gets away with it. The House of Representatives will do nothing; Paul Ryan will probably say he finds it concerning, He is just new at this presidentin thing, but the odds he'll take the only action he possibly could - impeachment - are zero. The Senate will do nothing. There is no one in the Executive Branch who will do anything. The only brake on the President is Congress, and they'll do nothing. The GOP has successfully smeared the FBI and Department of Justice enough that the Trump base will totally, unequivocally support the firings. The Gowdys and McCains in the GOP are outnumbered twenty to one. Trump base are not a majority of the US populace, but they are enough to prevent Republicans in Congress from acting.

So once Mueller is fired, it's likely over. There will be no investigation, and there is no legal means to stop him that anyone will take, because only Paul Ryan can do that. And I'm assuming he won't. It's amazing the guy can even stand, missing that backbone of his. Come November, even if the Democratic Party wins the House. They cannot get the 67 seats in the Senate necessary to convict, and the investigation will have long since stopped, so people will be accepting the new normal.

 

[Amused]

Not that many here will have failed to realize that these are just copy pasted talking points to try to shift the focus but here are some other examples of the same text being posted on other sites:

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinio...bama-dnc-and-government-hold-overs/483633001/

https://twitter.com/MAGAChronicle/status/959495457671188480

http://defendingthetruth.com/curren...ng-has-never-happened-american-history-3.html

http://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t29190-russian-collusion-for-dummies-errrrr-democrats

https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.co...-really-happened-in-the-2016-election.112658/

https://www.facebook.com/JudgeJeanineFans/posts/477363095942549


It's funny that the posters tend to make it seem as if they had come up with it themselves rather than it being, well, copy pasted talking points.
Or possibly there is one very active poster.

It was obvious. It's hilarious how they have nothing to contribute in these threads until their media posts something, and then they repeat it almost word for word.

I've often mentioned the cult like mentality of the right-wing echo chamber.

 

[Puffnstuff]

So once Mueller is fired, it's likely over. There will be no investigation, and there is no legal means to stop him that anyone will take, because only Paul Ryan can do that. And I'm assuming he won't. It's amazing the guy can even stand, missing that backbone of his. Come November, even if the Democratic Party wins the House. They cannot get the 67 seats in the Senate necessary to convict, and the investigation will have long since stopped, so people will be accepting the new normal.

Republicans equal the new immoral majority.

 

[cytg111]

If Trump fires Rosenstein he can replace him with someone loyal to him to help stymie the investigation. No, Mr Mueller, you can't interview him, no Mr. Mueller, there will be no more funding. Comes out and states this investigation is going nowhere from time to time. Or at worst his new appointee fires Mueller and shuts down the investigation.

If Trump fired Rosenstein and replaces him with a lackey that willingly fires Mueller and shuts down the investigation? What happens?

IMO..As it stands now, in this political climate, he gets away with it. The House of Representatives will do nothing; Paul Ryan will probably say he finds it concerning, He is just new at this presidentin thing, but the odds he'll take the only action he possibly could - impeachment - are zero. The Senate will do nothing. There is no one in the Executive Branch who will do anything. The only brake on the President is Congress, and they'll do nothing. The GOP has successfully smeared the FBI and Department of Justice enough that the Trump base will totally, unequivocally support the firings. The Gowdys and McCains in the GOP are outnumbered twenty to one. Trump base are not a majority of the US populace, but they are enough to prevent Republicans in Congress from acting.

So once Mueller is fired, it's likely over. There will be no investigation, and there is no legal means to stop him that anyone will take, because only Paul Ryan can do that. And I'm assuming he won't. It's amazing the guy can even stand, missing that backbone of his. Come November, even if the Democratic Party wins the House. They cannot get the 67 seats in the Senate necessary to convict, and the investigation will have long since stopped, so people will be accepting the new normal.

I am guessing that at some point Mueller and team will reach critical mass, that is suppose that everything they have right now, not just what they can proove in a court room but ALL their findings, were leaked in one big scoop. I guess the question is if they have that mass or not.

 

[kage69]

So add 'vindicate' to the long list of English words that Dump does not comprehend. That's on top of this concept called 'point of order.'

Yeah, calendars are hard to operate.

 

[Starbuck1975]

It's a timeline issue. His position is that Steele, the author of the dossier, wasn't hired by Fusion until after the DNC took on the payments. So anything he was involved in would be solely funded by the DNC.

Thanks for clarifying. I thought it was a Republican donor who set in motion the opposition research under Fusion, and that the Clinton campaign essentially tapped into that source once Trump won the nomination?

Regardless, unless Nunes can conclusively demonstrate bias in the signing off of the FISA warrants, there isn't much to discuss. One would think FISA warrants would have a higher threshold for approval, but I've been reading that this is fairly standard procedure.

 

[UNCjigga]

Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation today:

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier… the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

Isn't it refreshing how some GOP lawmakers can grow a spine when they're no longer worried about what their base thinks?

He came to the defense of Wray, Rosenstein and Muller, and had this to say about Andy McCabe: "I found him to be a professional witness even though I disagree with some of the decisions he made. And I think we've got to get to some point in life where you can disagree with the decision-making process that someone engaged in, without believing that they are corrupt or somehow part of the 'deep state', whatever that means."

 

[Puffnstuff]

Word on the street is that regular folks at the FBI are somewhat incensed by all of this.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation today:

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier… the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

Isn't it refreshing how some GOP lawmakers can grow a spine when they're no longer worried about what their base thinks?

He came to the defense of Wray, Rosenstein and Muller, and had this to say about Andy McCabe: "I found him to be a professional witness even though I disagree with some of the decisions he made. And I think we've got to get to some point in life where you can disagree with the decision-making process that someone engaged in, without believing that they are corrupt or somehow part of the 'deep state', whatever that means."

I'm really surprised that Mr. Bengazi could pull enough integrity together to put this out. These Republicans are in abject fear of the Trumplican dominated primaries. They could have collectively shown as spine in the beginning, but it's too late now.

 

[HomerJS]

Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation today:

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier… the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

Isn't it refreshing how some GOP lawmakers can grow a spine when they're no longer worried about what their base thinks?

He came to the defense of Wray, Rosenstein and Muller, and had this to say about Andy McCabe: "I found him to be a professional witness even though I disagree with some of the decisions he made. And I think we've got to get to some point in life where you can disagree with the decision-making process that someone engaged in, without believing that they are corrupt or somehow part of the 'deep state', whatever that means."

Do you defenders of Nunes still have questions?? Remember Gowdy is one of the few that has seen all of the evidence including the FISA warrants

 

[HomerJS]

I'm really surprised that Mr. Bengazi could pull enough integrity together to put this out. These Republicans are in abject fear of the Trumplican dominated primaries. They could have collectively shown as spine in the beginning, but it's too late now.

Remember he is leaving Congress

 

[Pens1566]

Yeah, this one is going to leave a mark :

http://time.com/5132126/carter-page-russia-2013-letter/?xid=homepage

 

[Jhhnn]

Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation today:

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier… the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

Isn't it refreshing how some GOP lawmakers can grow a spine when they're no longer worried about what their base thinks?

He came to the defense of Wray, Rosenstein and Muller, and had this to say about Andy McCabe: "I found him to be a professional witness even though I disagree with some of the decisions he made. And I think we've got to get to some point in life where you can disagree with the decision-making process that someone engaged in, without believing that they are corrupt or somehow part of the 'deep state', whatever that means."

I thank Mr Gowdy for his candor & honesty. America needs more of it.

 

[cytg111]

I thank Mr Gowdy for his candor & honesty. America needs more of it.

GOP sure sounds more like a cult or a sect than a political organization.

 

[interchange]

I thank Mr Gowdy for his candor & honesty. America needs more of it.

Absolutely. America needs all the allies it can get right now, especially those from the Republican end of the aisle.

 

[Jhhnn]

Not that many here will have failed to realize that these are just copy pasted talking points to try to shift the focus but here are some other examples of the same text being posted on other sites:

https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinio...bama-dnc-and-government-hold-overs/483633001/

https://twitter.com/MAGAChronicle/status/959495457671188480

http://defendingthetruth.com/curren...ng-has-never-happened-american-history-3.html

http://pensacoladiscussion.forumotion.com/t29190-russian-collusion-for-dummies-errrrr-democrats

https://pittsburgh.forums.rivals.co...-really-happened-in-the-2016-election.112658/

https://www.facebook.com/JudgeJeanineFans/posts/477363095942549


It's funny that the posters tend to make it seem as if they had come up with it themselves rather than it being, well, copy pasted talking points.
Or possibly there is one very active poster.

Or an army of organized trolls. Whose trolls are they, anyway?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation today:

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier… the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

Isn't it refreshing how some GOP lawmakers can grow a spine when they're no longer worried about what their base thinks?

He came to the defense of Wray, Rosenstein and Muller, and had this to say about Andy McCabe: "I found him to be a professional witness even though I disagree with some of the decisions he made. And I think we've got to get to some point in life where you can disagree with the decision-making process that someone engaged in, without believing that they are corrupt or somehow part of the 'deep state', whatever that means."

Howdy said that? Even without re-election I’m kind of surprised. Kind of a holy shit moment really.

 

[cytg111]

Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation today:
"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier… the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

To me it is the bolded part that stands out cause to my knowledge Mueller have not officially stated that he is going for obstruction charges against anyone.
Signing : Gowdy knows something we dont.

 

[UNCjigga]

Howdy said that? Even without re-election I’m kind of surprised. Kind of a holy shit moment really.

Pay close attention to the bullet points he specified--Papadopolous, Trump Tower, Cambridge Analytica, obstruction--and understand that not only has he read the FISA warrants, he's seen the underlying intelligence. There is a shit storm coming and Mr. Gowdy wants no part of it.