Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[hal2kilo]

To me it is the bolded part that stands out cause to my knowledge Mueller have not officially stated that he is going for obstruction charges against anyone.
Signing : Gowdy knows something we dont.[/QUOTE]
That's what I'm thinking.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Representative Jerry Nadler's rebuttal is a good one

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z...NAL DRAFT -- Dear Colleague on Nunes Memo.pdf

You know that fifth column Andrew Sullivan tried to warn us about after 9/11? Nadler makes the case that it's the Republican Party:

Jerry Nadler:

"House Republicans do not speak up when President Trump attacks the press, smears career investigators by name, or demands loyalty from the leadership of the Department of Justice and the FBI. They have taken no significant steps to understand how the Russian government worked to undermine our last election. They show little interest in protecting our next election from foreign attack — even though President Trump’s hand-picked intelligence chiefs warn us that the threat is very real.

Until now, we could only really accuse House Republicans of ignoring the President’s open attempts to block the Russia investigation.

But with the release of the Nunes memo—a backhanded attempt to cast doubt on the origins of the Special Counsel’s investigation—we can only conclude that House Republicans are complicit in the effort to help the President avoid accountability for his actions and for the actions of his campaign.

In the end, who could possibly benefit from the release of this shoddy work?

Only Donald Trump, who will use these half-truths to further interfere with the Special Counsel, and Vladimir Putin, who now has a clear view of how our intelligence community attempted to interrupt his operations in the United States."

 

[hal2kilo]

Representative Jerry Nadler's rebuttal is a good one

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Creative/inline-headers/FINAL DRAFT -- Dear Colleague on Nunes Memo.pdf

You know that fifth column Andrew Sullivan tried to warn us about after 9/11? Nadler makes the case that it's the Republican Party:

Jerry Nadler:

"House Republicans do not speak up when President Trump attacks the press, smears career investigators by name, or demands loyalty from the leadership of the Department of Justice and the FBI. They have taken no significant steps to understand how the Russian government worked to undermine our last election. They show little interest in protecting our next election from foreign attack — even though President Trump’s hand-picked intelligence chiefs warn us that the threat is very real.

Until now, we could only really accuse House Republicans of ignoring the President’s open attempts to block the Russia investigation.

But with the release of the Nunes memo—a backhanded attempt to cast doubt on the origins of the Special Counsel’s investigation—we can only conclude that House Republicans are complicit in the effort to help the President avoid accountability for his actions and for the actions of his campaign.

In the end, who could possibly benefit from the release of this shoddy work?

Only Donald Trump, who will use these half-truths to further interfere with the Special Counsel, and Vladimir Putin, who now has a clear view of how our intelligence community attempted to interrupt his operations in the United States."

Couldn't have done a better job. Good job old bird! (I noticed he's lost a bit a weight, which he needed to do, hope he's O.K.)

 

[Bitek]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Please post your own words or make the proper attributions.
admin allisolm

Hahahahaha!

When were the child sacrifices at the pizza shop basement again? Before the primaries or after?
Trying to understand your timeline.. It's a bit of a mess.

The John Birchers just tweeted "We knew Hillary floridated the water for the Illuminati, but you guys are fucking nuts. And commie traitors."

 

[Jhhnn]

Vlad threw in for Trump to MAGA. Everybody knows this.

 

[yllus]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Please post your own words or make the proper attributions.
admin allisolm

Despite you copying and pasting this, there's an important thing to realize here that I hope you seriously consider: Democrats are not paragons of virtue, but they are not the corrupt, near-traitorous figures that Republicans are currently proving themselves to be. You are assuming Democrats are as corrupt in their actions as Republicans, and thus find the above plausible. They are not and it is not (plausible). They want power, but not this badly.

 

[dank69]

Word on the street is that regular folks at the FBI are somewhat incensed by all of this.

Fuck them. They hated Hillary so much they forced Comey to torpedo her campaign. I almost want Trump to successfully destroy it all just because they deserve it.

 

[dank69]

Trey Gowdy on Face the Nation today:

"There is a Russia investigation without a dossier… the dossier has nothing to do with the meeting at Trump Tower. The dossier has nothing to do with an email sent by Cambridge Analytica. The dossier really has nothing to do with George Papadopoulos' meeting in Great Britain. It also doesn't have anything to do with obstruction of justice."

Isn't it refreshing how some GOP lawmakers can grow a spine when they're no longer worried about what their base thinks?

He came to the defense of Wray, Rosenstein and Muller, and had this to say about Andy McCabe: "I found him to be a professional witness even though I disagree with some of the decisions he made. And I think we've got to get to some point in life where you can disagree with the decision-making process that someone engaged in, without believing that they are corrupt or somehow part of the 'deep state', whatever that means."

This is nice and all, and it really puts a knife in the back of every conservative trying to defend the GOP, but he is one of the major reasons we are in the position we are in today.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Despite you copying and pasting this, there's an important thing to realize here that I hope you seriously consider: Democrats are not paragons of virtue, but they are not the corrupt, near-traitorous figures that Republicans are currently proving themselves to be. You are assuming Democrats are as corrupt in their actions as Republicans, and thus find the above plausible. They are not and it is not (plausible). They want power, but not this badly.

Well...the damage is already done. Bit by bit, the assumption among the average apolitical, uninformed person in America is that 'they're all crooks' and that institutions are now corrupted by political bias. I hear this all the time. It doesn't matter if Democrats win back control of the government and pledge to restore these institutions - according to them, the institutions have been corrupted. Remember that in the mind of these people, there's not much difference between the Democratic party and the Republican party, so in their minds, Republican corruption would simply be replaced with corruption that favors the Democratic party. Giant Douche or Turd Sandwich. It's funny on South Park, and it has appeal because that way we're not offending one half of America. But the reality is that we're making a false equivalency when it's not valid. The consequence of this is, a false equivalency, the slow death of the truth.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Fuck them. They hated Hillary so much they forced Comey to torpedo her campaign. I almost want Trump to successfully destroy it all just because they deserve it.

I also didn't agree with the timing of the Comey email review just before the election which altered the outcome. I wish we had a truly viable alternative, a real independent party to turn to but alas we don't.

 

[Jhhnn]

Fuck them. They hated Hillary so much they forced Comey to torpedo her campaign. I almost want Trump to successfully destroy it all just because they deserve it.

"They" is ~30,000 people. All it took was one well placed asshole in NY leaking to Mr 911 to force Comey's hand.

 

[sportage]

THIS (the following) really sums up the entire matter and castrates any hint of legitimacy from not only Donald Trump but also from the republicans who wanted their hit-list memo released.
And, naturally.... also delegitimizes everything Fox News.

CNN:
Former CIA Director John Brennan scorned House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes for the release of the controversial GOP memo alleging FBI surveillance abuses, calling aspects of the move "exceptionally partisan" and saying Nunes has "abused the office" in refusing to allow Democrats on his panel to make their rebuttal document public.

"That Devin Nunes and Republicans denied the ability of the minority, the Democratic members of that committee, to put out its report is just appalling. I think it, it really underscores just how partisan Mr. Nunes has been. He has abused the office of the chairmanship of HPSCI. And I don't say that lightly,"
He also said the failure to provide the classified information that the memo is based on shows Nunes is being "exceptionally partisan."
"We don't have access to the underlying information of the Nunes memo which really, you know, clearly indicates that he was being exceptionally partisan in this."

So I think we can dismiss the entire matter at this point.
Just ignore anything and everything Trump says, including all of those other republicans that put so much lip service into this.

You know what I think this only proves.....?
This once again only proves, "the nature of the beast".
In politics, whenever those fat cats running the government feel they deserve anything or even when they don't deserve, they go ahead and grant it unto themselves.
Take their pay hikes.
Who else can decide then vote themselves a huge pay increase with absolutely no objection? At least, with no objection that matters?
If a senator thinks he or she deserves a raise, they just vote themselves a raise. Case closed.

Well.... what we have here is pretty much the same with releasing this memo.
THEY THEMSELVES wrote it. THEY THEMSELVES decided what to put in it. And THEY THEMSELVES decided what NOT to put in it.
Then THEY THEMSELVES decided it should be received as some factual informative object of concern.
THEY THEMSELVES...
Exactly how "THEY THEMSELVES" vote their own pay hikes.
It must be nice to be the king.....

 

[kage69]

The type of reversal by Gowdy is what I've been watching the clock for. If Mr. Benghazi has decided this ain't his ride anymore, I can't wait to see whatever it was that made him change his tune and plan to not run for office again.

Hey Ryan, you paying attention?

 

[IronWing]

It does seem a bit like 1994 again but I wouldn't underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.

 

[Jhhnn]

The type of reversal by Gowdy is what I've been watching the clock for. If Mr. Benghazi has decided this ain't his ride anymore, I can't wait to see whatever it was that made him change his tune and plan to not run for office again.

Hey Ryan, you paying attention?

I suspect Gowdy's change of heart came from all the classified stuff he read... Whether that's just cynical practicality or something deeper remains to be seen. No matter how Benghazi shook out, it didn't threaten the rule of law the way that this does. Gowdy clearly wants no part of it & we need more Republicans to follow his lead & stand up for the rule of law.

Ryan? Snug as a bug in a rug in his district with a huge war chest stuffed by his grateful big money donors. He'll survive this election & likely many more. About the best that can be said is that he didn't sell out cheap.

 

[dank69]

"They" is ~30,000 people. All it took was one well placed asshole in NY leaking to Mr 911 to force Comey's hand.

Yeah, and roughly 30000 of them were Hillary hating conservatives.

 

[Puffnstuff]

It does seem a bit like 1994 again but I wouldn't underestimate the stupidity of the electorate.

Yeah my parents are parroting Republican talking points right now which really makes me worry about them. Since they cannot discern for themselves it makes them easier prey for other things like scamming telemarketers who frequently call seniors to pull the wool over their eyes.

 

[K1052]

Prospects for Trump authorizing the Dem memo to be released appear to be not so hot. Further embeds the concept that this was a WH orchestrated brain fart enabled by House Republicans.

 

[fskimospy]

Prospects for Trump authorizing the Dem memo to be released appear to be not so hot. Further embeds the concept that this was a WH orchestrated brain fart enabled by House Republicans.

I’m sure conservatives will be here to vehemently condemn Trump for his lack of transparency any minute now.

 

[kage69]

Prospects for Trump authorizing the Dem memo to be released appear to be not so hot. Further embeds the concept that this was a WH orchestrated brain fart enabled by House Republicans.

Il Douche reeks of fear. Mad at Schiff and sounds like he didn't appreciate Brennan ripping into his mentally challenged errand boy.

Keep throwing tantrums snowflake, we appreciate all the many ways you continually show yourself to be unfit for office.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Last week: "In the aftermath of that terrible shooting [of Steve Scalise], we came together, not as Republicans or Democrats, but as representatives of the people. But it is not enough to come together only in times of tragedy. Tonight, I call upon all of us to set aside our differences, to seek out common ground, and to summon the unity we need to deliver for the people we were elected to serve."

This week: "Little Adam Schiff, who is desperate to run for higher office, is one of the biggest liars and leakers in Washington, right up there with Comey, Warner, Brennan and Clapper! Adam leaves closed committee hearings to illegally leak confidential information. Must be stopped!"

I guess in Trumpland, "set aside our differences" means "you obey me now".

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Trump, Hannity and the rest absolutely wreak of desperation at this point. This is what complete and utter fear look like. The orange shit piles ego and those that are enabling it are doing damage that will last for years after he’s been flushed.

 

[UNCjigga]

The type of reversal by Gowdy is what I've been watching the clock for. If Mr. Benghazi has decided this ain't his ride anymore, I can't wait to see whatever it was that made him change his tune and plan to not run for office again.

Hey Ryan, you paying attention?

There were rumors that Ryan was planning his retirement floating around back in December. That was back when the GOP tax plan was still uncertain of clearing the Senate. But it passed, and Ryan would've had a difficult time pocketing that $500K bonus from the Kochs without a campaign fund. He's apparently told people privately that he's done with House elections after 2018, will probably take a stab at Iowa in 2020 but will be happy to settle for a cushy lobbying gig.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Schiff has replied.

Mr. President, I see you’ve had a busy morning of “Executive Time.” Instead of tweeting false smears, the American people would appreciate it if you turned off the TV and helped solve the funding crisis, protected Dreamers or...really anything else.

 

[brycejones]

Schiff has replied.

That was pretty funny.