Release the Krak... err FISA Memo!

[soundforbjt]

This is like watching a coup in slow motion.

 

[Jhhnn]

This makes a fair bit of sense

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ldnt-be-the-indictment-decision-maker/551753/

I think that altering or withholding Mueller's report would create an unstoppable firestorm, like Nixon's Saturday night massacre only different.

In the meanwhile, the GOP will humor him & go along with his games because he's a useful idiot for their purposes. He also commands their base. They won't act until & if that base becomes disillusioned with the Donald.

 

[blackangst1]

This is the deal....
If Trump "were" actually so innocent then WHY would he refuse to release his tax returns?
People forget in all this insanity with Trump tweeting and Republicans defending Donald Trump that an innocent man doesn't act so guilty.
Need us not forget the simplicity of the matter.... KEEP IT SIMPLE.

Trump, still refuses to release his tax returns. Most likely because they would show odd financial dealings with dark characters and foreign institutions, probable money laundering, loans and exchanges with soviet banks, money coming in with no explanation of source.
This guy is a crook!
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OK this is where I stopped reading. Why? You are making no sense whatsoever. Trump has been audited nearly every year by the IRS for over a decade. If what you are alleging is honestly there, whats your explanation as to WHY the IRS would look past it?

 

[soundforbjt]

I think that altering or withholding Mueller's report would create an unstoppable firestorm, like Nixon's Saturday night massacre only different.

In the meanwhile, the GOP will humor him & go along with his games because he's a useful idiot for their purposes. He also commands their base. They won't act until & if that base becomes disillusioned with the Donald.

The base will be behind him no matter what, I have friends that are trump supporters and if they at all represent them in general they will support him as a Putinish President. It all boils down to the House and we can guess which way they will go.

 

[soundforbjt]

OK this is where I stopped reading. Why? You are making no sense whatsoever. Trump has been audited nearly every year by the IRS for over a decade. If what you are alleging is honestly there, whats your explanation as to WHY the IRS would look past it?

It’s not like he’s going to have an entry saying money from Russia on his taxes, there’s way around a regular audit that won’t cause alarm bells.

 

[blackangst1]

I think alot of it has to do with being mid term election year. I think alot of the republicans that are up for reelection want to be in President Trump good graces to get his supporters votes. If I recall correctly I believe in the past President Trump has said he'll endorse whatever republican that running against republican incumbent if they don't support him.

Yup this is true. Prime example-Moore. Now, I can understand him not coming out and endorsing Jones, but IMHO it would've been better to just not endorse ANYONE.

 

[blackangst1]

It’s not like he’s going to have an entry saying money from Russia on his taxes, there’s way around a regular audit that won’t cause alarm bells.

I was explicity replying to sportage's statement "Most likely because they would show odd financial dealings with dark characters and foreign institutions, probable money laundering, loans and exchanges with soviet banks, money coming in with no explanation of source."

If that were in fact true, he wouldnt get past an audit. Full stop.

 

[Jhhnn]

The base will be behind him no matter what, I have friends that are trump supporters and if they at all represent them in general they will support him as a Putinish President. It all boils down to the House and we can guess which way they will go.

We shall see. I figure a lot of Trump voters were wearing political beer goggles at the time...

 

[soundforbjt]

We shall see. I figure a lot of Trump voters were wearing political beer goggles at the time...

I wish I could share your expectations, but I can’t.

 

[soundforbjt]

I was explicity replying to sportage's statement "Most likely because they would show odd financial dealings with dark characters and foreign institutions, probable money laundering, loans and exchanges with soviet banks, money coming in with no explanation of source."

If that were in fact true, he wouldnt get past an audit. Full stop.

Look at Manafort, he wasn’t even registered as working for a foreign country, with his millions I’d bet he’s been audited before the Mueller investigation.

 

[HomerJS]

you said before that the dossier was funded by both democrats and republicans, did you just make that up?

The lawyers for FGPS said that research data was first funded by Free Beacon. Lawyers are not going to risk their law licenses lying to Congress

 

[snarfbot]

The lawyers for FGPS said that research data was first funded by Free Beacon. Lawyers are not going to risk their law licenses lying to Congress

it would seem that the free beacon disputes that then.

 

[UberNeuman]

Hey everyone! Free Bacon!!!!! WHOO!!!

 

[HomerJS]

it would seem that the free beacon disputes that then.

Again, Republican op-ed vs sworn testimony to Congress.

Gun to your head which has the most chance of being correct? Lawyers lie to Congress they lose their ability to earn a living

 

[OutHouse]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Please post your own words or make the proper attributions.
admin allisolm

 

[soundforbjt]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Hannity...it that you?

 

[UberNeuman]

Let that sink in.......

Don't be ashamed of being played by the GOP and being co-opted by the Russians. You've always been a chump - and that's what they like...

 

[Paratus]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Or and just hear me out, the Intelligence agencies actually had real evidence of Russia trying to influence our elections. This evidence included knowledge of meetings between known Russian operatives and memeber of the Trump campaign and transition team.

Meetings they forgot about when required to disclose them.

Then after Trumps election and his transition team trying to avoid that scrutiny, Obama realizes that there is a very good chance the intelligence about this attack on our democracy will be buried by the incoming administration so he orders the intelligence disseminated to protect it. This makes watergate looks like child’s play. Let that sink in.

 

[Victorian Gray]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Holy Fuck! Hope Trump has some serious special private security to protect him from the deep state assassination attempt that's sure to come soon. After all, remember what happened to Kathleen Willey's cat.


ps. Vladi just loves you to bits.

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm not sure why any of that matters. The dossier was not the basis for the fisa warrants, therefore whether or not they are accurate or paid by a particular entity is irrelevant.

Again, my original points / questions:
Knowingly submitting corrupt and/or false evidence to FISA is probably a criminal act? No?
The Republican complaint is to accuse those at the FBI and DOJ who signed off on it.

So let's get down to the crux of it.

• Was Russian propaganda, paid for by Clinton, brought forth as evidence before any FISA judge?
• And did the FBI and/or DOJ know, at the time, that the information was corrupt and/or falsified?

That's the heart of the criminal accusations, as raised by the partisan memo.
Is there any public counter evidence? The news articles I'm seeing are deflecting from the central questions by batting down side shows.

 

[fskimospy]

If you put all the pieces together here's what you get. The DNC rigs the Democratic Primary Election against Bernie Sanders so Hilliary can win the nomination. Obama's administration starts to request surveillance on Trump, his family, his transition team, and anyone associated with him. Donna Brazil gives Hilliary the questions to a debate. The DNC pays Christopher Steele to come up with a smear dossier about Trump. The mainstream media releases a taped conversation about Trump talking about grabbing women parts. After all this Trump still wins the General Election. Obama orders an investigation into Russia meddling in our elections. Obama changes Executive Order 12333 to allow more agencies to have access to surveillance data. The Democratic Party comes up with a scandal that Trump colluded with Russia to win the election with no evidence or proof. This wild claim is backed up by the mainstream media. Obama hold overs start unmasking Trump's transition team and staff members then release the classified information to the mainstream media. Why?

Because the DNC and the Obama administration colluded with the intelligence community to thwart Trump's campaign efforts to get him elected president. All this Russia collusion is an attempt to cover up the fact that the Obama administration, the intelligence community, the DNC, along with the mainstream media used our nations surveillance as a political tool to try to get Hillary elected President. This makes Watergate look like a kindergarten play. Let that sink in.......

Truly you have a dizzying intellect.

 

[blackangst1]

Look at Manafort, he wasn’t even registered as working for a foreign country, with his millions I’d bet he’s been audited before the Mueller investigation.

OK? And?

 

[ivwshane]

Again, my original points / questions:
Knowingly submitting corrupt and/or false evidence to FISA is probably a criminal act? No?
The Republican complaint is to accuse those at the FBI and DOJ who signed off on it.

Sure, and?

Yes, and?

 

[blackangst1]

Look at Manafort, he wasn’t even registered as working for a foreign country, with his millions I’d bet he’s been audited before the Mueller investigation.

You bet? How so? So Manafort what...bribed the IRS? LMAO

 

[jackstar7]

I was explicity replying to sportage's statement "Most likely because they would show odd financial dealings with dark characters and foreign institutions, probable money laundering, loans and exchanges with soviet banks, money coming in with no explanation of source."

If that were in fact true, he wouldnt get past an audit. Full stop.

Maybe one day we'll find out. Money laundering is a likely thing going on in Trump's organization based on his dealings and debts.

And if you don't think he hires people who can hide that kind of activity from an audit... well, he's either too stupid to be believed (probable) or just not crafty enough (possible).